Primal Male does look awesome. This being the only board that I frequent, MAN not having anyone here, along with noone really talking much about their products, it sort of slips in and out of my mind. Unfortunately, of course when it does come back to me, I'm low on cash and can't justify buying it. But it's something that I do have to try in the near future. MAN is a solid company, and Body Octane is a favorite of mine. I HAVE TO remember this next time I have a few extra $$$.