What fills the gap between Supps and Steroids?
- 09-19-2009, 01:14 PM
- 09-19-2009, 01:28 PM
I would say Prime is something you should look into.
it IS a supplement...but its pretty potent. Especially when dosing higher than recommended. Strength goes up, recovery time is cut down, improved alpha male feeling...All around I love being on it and there are tons of other guys who would agree.
I honestly compare it with prohormones, in that you will break PR's in the gym, and see your body change from week to week, but there's no worry about side effects and PCT's.
other than that I've seen many different stacks you can run that will produce lean gains, IF YOUR DIET IS ACCORDING.
Things like Test boosters, DHEA...check into different stacks people are running under the different company sections.
I would recommend the Asteroid stack...and I've heard good things about glycobol or yellow gold as far as macronutrient partitioners.
- 09-19-2009, 01:35 PM
09-19-2009, 01:36 PM
GH is safer than alof of supplements. Think about the reason it is banned is because it is GOOD. An athlete will benefit a lot of it. Improved bone/ligament/ cartilage regeneration. Increase muscle mass, anti aging, better skin.
It is prescribed regularly to people for well being. It banned in sports not because its a health risk, but because it drastically improves an athletes physical performance. Cut recovery time. increased muslce mass. Improved injury recovery. HGH also icreaces genetic capabilities through by promoting increased IGF-1 release.
Now, personally if you have been training for years and are a true Warrior. I think it is safe to do GH if you know its protocol after 26+.
It way safer than any test booster. Safer that Superdrol w-dol, ect.
09-19-2009, 01:52 PM
and what if not everyone can get it prescribed
09-19-2009, 01:58 PM
I personally love these products, they're a staple for me because they enhance recovery so dramatically.
Prime I can't comment on but I hear it's excellent.
09-19-2009, 03:17 PM
I would stay stick to the basics.. and don't mess with the boosters.
Glutamine, arginine, beta alanine, creatine, whey protein, NO product, Vit a, c,e, Zinc.
combine all those and trust me with good food and good training, You can reach your goals.
I am not recommending GH. Personally, however, I would take it over all the dangerous supplements available on the market.
You can get GH through sponsored sights that sell the stuff. Just be careful full of knock offs. There is generic GH from China. And there are a few companies that make a Legit product in China for a good price. Just do your research before you do anything
09-19-2009, 03:44 PM
I'm gonna play devil's advocate here... if you plan according, there's a handful of ph's on the market that have little no sides. It's all about the prep you put in, stick to the tried and true plans, and avoid anything that sounds too good to be true.
I see some libido enhancement with most test boosters, but never a change in body composotion. I see some improved quality of sleep with gh boosters, but never a change in body composition. See the pattern?
09-19-2009, 04:18 PM
hard work, dedication, is wat i use to fill that gap, till im done with boot camp then its stright to gear, hormones build muscle not herbs
09-19-2009, 06:48 PM
09-19-2009, 07:01 PM
i dont belive in genetic limits and if u do thats sad, nothing will hold back my progression, i belive in my own will and my desire to be the strongest, will i be the strongest idk that and nether dose enybody on this fourm.
i do know that to be competitive in sports i must juice because (sadly) fair players dont win. this is the real world and players will take watevr to give them the edge.
after doing alil thinking i dont think that ther is a gap ether u use hormonal products or u dont, thers nothing inbetween
09-19-2009, 07:04 PM
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09-20-2009, 09:23 AM
Is there any research about what happens to a person in their 50's, 60's, 70's, if they started using GH in their 20's?
09-20-2009, 09:37 AM
GH is just too damn expensive for my wallet. Would definitely like to give it try sometime though.
Remember why you started.
09-20-2009, 09:59 AM
09-20-2009, 04:10 PM
GH is way to expensive. What about Transdermals? I know they are hormones,too but the sides should be slighter than oral, methylated PHs. Any good?
09-20-2009, 06:16 PM
09-20-2009, 06:27 PM
food bridges that gap. Lots of F*cking food. Its more powerfull than any hormone or any supplement. Next time you want a boost, eat a plate of pasta.
09-20-2009, 06:41 PM
M.Ed. Ex Phys
09-20-2009, 07:12 PM
There are many good supplements like Creatine and Beta-Alanine that could and should be used on and off all year long.
09-23-2009, 03:13 PM
As far as performance enhancers in the gym, with continued consistent usage, I'm on the same page as the post above. Creatine/Beta Alanine are real deal performance enhancers. They are supps, and don't bridge any gaps.
If you are looking for immediate effects, I really do like tyrosine and ALCAR. That's a good mood/focus stack. MOST people respond to these fairly well and they are reliable supps. Otherwise, you're looking at mostly overblown claims with anything that promises to bridge the gap.
09-23-2009, 11:29 PM
A stack of 7-oxo dhea and formestane topically with a good creatine should provide many of the benfits of steroids - lower cortisol, higher intramuscular fluids, increased igf-1 and higher testosterone levels. Sure it won't be the same but it is effective.
09-24-2009, 05:55 AM
The Formestane could be replaced by a low dose SERM, no?
09-24-2009, 06:08 AM
H-drol, S-drol, Epistane are ALL steroids, that are sold OTC. They are newer drugs and are legal, so it temps alot of people to use them. You will still fail a steroid test. Instead of using these OTC's, do it right, and stick with some thing like Anavar for a first cycle. People tend to forget the importance of PCT.
I agree, a proper diet will get you there. I am against the use of performance enhancers, Unless they are being used to cure an injury or used to alleviate overtraining with leads to injury.
You by no means plays sport to earn a living, so take your time and get big the natural way. I know plenty of natural guys who make guys on gear look stupid for taking gear
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