the old lipodrene was good. i still have 2 bottles left ( exp 08/09 ) it had sida cordifolia ( ephedra alkaloids, not extract from leaves ) i havent used since i got bronkaid.
edit : the only thing good for fatloss in the new lipodrene, is the synephrine, green tea, and the few mg it has of yohimbine.
but, i thought you wanted ECA?
since some of you are not getting it, i will post this up from bodybuilding.com
''Ok, well I must clear up this alkaloid business. I am a chemist who works in the supplement manufacturing business. I know some of the post I am talking about were earlier in the thread, but here is the break down.
There are several different species of ephedra.
Ephedra sinica (Ma Huang) <-high alkaloid content in extracts
Sida Cordifolia <- less alkaloid content
Ephedra Nevadensis <- little to no alkaloid content
+ more
Herbs in general are used in many different ways. For instance no extraction would be referred to as a raw herb powder which is just the dried and milled plant material. This is a highly unconcentrated material. An extract uses a chemical based solvent to "extract" the actives (in this case the alkaloid content) Extracts are much more concentrated in alkaloid content. These can come in 10:1, ratios or percentages thus with ephedra around 8% alkaloid content.
Basically when we refer to an extract it is a concentrated active material that has been drawn/extracted by chemical means out of the raw herb.
In the coming months you will notice ephedra sinica extracts to be obsolete (alkaloid). Right now distributors are able to sell off remaining (old) stock of ephedra sinica products. The ban is in full effect, over the past few years since the initial ban the ruling was still up in the air after it was over turned. Now the FDA has made a stern decision that the ban is 100% in full effect. Many manufacturers were raided such as hi-tech Pharm. and ephedra extracts where confiscated. It is illegal for a manufacturer to market any ephedra alkaloid product as a weight loss or diet aid. Many manufacturers have been selling products with "ephedra extact" however it is generally ephedra nevadensis or some other species with no alkaloid content whatsoever. This is simply to fool the consumer, the FDA has a new rule that products that contain the words "Ephedra Extract" must state that there is no alkaloid content. If you see a label that says Ephedra extract (leaves) You know it is bogus and is not likely to contain any alkaloids because ephedra sinica does not have leaves. They use this as a marketing tool to make people think they are getting something they are not. You would be surprised the things that we see in the lab''.
