CREATINE-do not use more than 12 weeks?
- 07-22-2009, 07:08 AM
- 07-22-2009, 07:12 AM
creatine journal (bing search) says one can deflate due to muscles losing H2O after a 12 week cycle. Heck, I've noticed this after a day without. I havn't heard of any other bad effects, has anyone else?
07-22-2009, 12:42 PM
I'm assuming it's a creatine '****tail', not pure creatine powder or pills. Creatine is fine for longer periods than 12 weeks; usually if it's a NO/pump pre-workout ****tail, it'll recommend laying off for a while every so often.
there's controversy over whether the initial weight gain from creatine is solely water weight, or actual muscle. Creatine does increase nitrogen retention. I'd bet it's a combination of water weight and new muscle. Either way, don't worry about it.
If you see a difference in one day off creatine, I'd bet your diet is not in order. It takes a full month to restore your creatine stores to their normal levels after supplementation. One day makes zero difference. If it's an NO/pump product, it could make a difference, but that's most likely because you didn't workout the day you didn't take the stuff. No workout = less pump, less hard.
07-22-2009, 03:33 PM
Iv heard of people avoiding taking caffeine while using creatine because it might negate the performance enhancing effects of creatine. I think it really depends on the quality of the creatine though.
07-22-2009, 05:20 PM
most BROS here will probably disagree and say you can be on it all the time.
According to my doctor (whos big into weightlifting) its not as safe as we all believe, especially if you already have a preexisting condition.
07-22-2009, 05:21 PM
07-22-2009, 08:30 PM
Ask your dr about that.
07-22-2009, 08:34 PM
07-22-2009, 11:12 PM
If you have no preexisting factors and your diet and water intake is great you have nothing to worry about.
Diet always comes first.
07-22-2009, 11:14 PM
07-22-2009, 11:18 PM
07-23-2009, 01:59 PM
Im not a newb, been lifting for years. Just at age 40 I have to be a little cautious. I started my first stack a couple weeks ago, nothing to strong. Tweeked the diet some, I've always eaten clean, healthy food and never had to worry about extra weight. I was shocked to find that I needed to be putting in almost 3900 cals a day to reach my goal. It's been tough, but I'm seeing results already!
Personally I feel creatine is safe, been using almost daily for 10 mo. with no sides. But on days I skip it, I'm pissin alot. Guessing I'm losing H20 thats stored in muscles.
Only real reason I posted this question was because I bought a different brand and that "warning" was on the label.
Interesting info from all of you!
Now PB on bench last week 315#x2 I was so stoked!
I'm trying to hit 175 lbs body weight with my first stack! 2 weeks, 4 days left! and I've put on 3.5 lbs so far!
07-23-2009, 02:16 PM
07-23-2009, 09:46 PM
I should add a quick note to this. I am able to lift 5 days a week, take a three day break every other to heal up right. I also started my first PH stack about 2 weeks ago and upped my calories to about 3900 a day. It has always been rather easy to bulk up, I just finally hit a wall (thus the PH).
07-23-2009, 09:48 PM
07-24-2009, 11:15 AM
I've read that creatine should be cycled not due to harmful effetcs, but because the body's receptors - over time - become numb to it, thereby reducing or eliminating the benefits of taking creatine. On a separate note - many articles I've read (inlcuding those stating the reasons to cycle), talk about creatine as though it were a wonder drug.
07-24-2009, 11:45 AM
07-24-2009, 12:34 PM
07-24-2009, 12:48 PM
07-24-2009, 12:56 PM
Also no. It's like carbs: your muscles can only store so much, and when they're full, they're full. Your body taps in as needed, but won't benefit from excess carbs, other than having fully full stores. Not the greatest analogy, but...
It takes a month of daily supplementation to saturate creatine stores. After that you're just keeping the tank full, so to speak. The only hitch may be that there might be a benefit to taking creatine immediately pre-workout, above and beyond 'filling the tank'. But it hasn't been proven.
07-24-2009, 12:59 PM
I've got before and after bloodwork done while supplementing with only creatine mono, and before creatinine levels were normal, after my levels were above the High range. After 4 to 5 days of non-use my creatinine levels were back to normal.
07-24-2009, 01:01 PM
07-24-2009, 01:37 PM
Very interesting replies indeed! I'm learning more here then I did searching the web articles. AM rocks.
07-24-2009, 01:38 PM
07-24-2009, 01:45 PM
samething here, the dr. asked me to drop the creatine for a few days because he wasn't sure if I was having kidney issues or not because the creatine had my bloodwork out of whack. After a few days of non-use, went back, had blood work done and everything checked out ok. So yes I agree to cycle.
But the older I get (35) the more I believe that if you've got your diet and training dialed in, the supp's are not needed at all. Currently I just use a vitamin, protein pwder, and fish oil.
It's really easy from all the ads and such to get sucked into all the hype concerning supps, when someone just needs to adjust their diet slightly to see results.
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