so I have been taking ALCAR for about two weeks ago at for week 1 4g a day at week two 8g a day, still haven't really noticed anything yet... can I start doing like 16g a day? are there any sides with that high of a dose, is it pointless? input?
Is that a yes to the there will be problems or a hell yes I should do it?YES and ANTI-OXIDENT!!!!!
Why the na-rala while losing fat? I doubt you'd be getting enough carbohydrates for it to be necissary. Additionally, insulin sensitivity while dieting isn't always a good thing.To help aid in fat loss, and improve that great sense of well being... I understand it's hard to feel the fat loss, but it would be nice to feel/notice some of the other sides of alcar.
btw na-rala at 200mg, 3-4times a day.
i'm guessing na-rala because it is supposed to work synergystically with ALCAR.Why the na-rala while losing fat? I doubt you'd be getting enough carbohydrates for it to be necissary. Additionally, insulin sensitivity while dieting isn't always a good thing.
Good, then you're taking it for the right reasons!na-rala isn't taken really for glucose disposal I really just take it for the super antiox properties. I was just figuring because I'm so active, that it takes more for me to know the difference. does that make sense?
i am a beleiver in cycling supplementsWell carnitine is reccomended by some as a treatment for an overactive thyroid. Some say that it should be avoided by people who don't exactly have the highest thyroid levels(many people in the slow metabolism community). In my personal experience, that warmiong sensation of burning more fat was felt in the beginning, but now I could take a big dose of ALCAR, and it will actually make me tired.
Yes give it a try. Just make sure you use a heft anti-oxident dose.....Thats what I think i ment by my last postIs that a yes to the there will be problems or a hell yes I should do it?
it is a pre-cur to ACh- and too much cholinergic stimulation will make you tired/lethargic- keep the dose around 3-4 grams per dayWell carnitine is reccomended by some as a treatment for an overactive thyroid. Some say that it should be avoided by people who don't exactly have the highest thyroid levels(many people in the slow metabolism community). In my personal experience, that warmiong sensation of burning more fat was felt in the beginning, but now I could take a big dose of ALCAR, and it will actually make me tired.
I am taking the blue gene by controlled labs and they have 200 plcar and 1800 l-carnitine=2 grams. again it is useful and in my opinion best when cycled.A lot of effects of alcar should be immediate or within a few days. The mental effects immediate. The testosterone effect a few days. Fat burning effects obviously vary and take time to notice and very hard to determine if your results came from that alone. Most recommendations for fat loss are 1,000 to 2,000 mg usually divided into two doses. Side effects could occur any higher then that and may be over kill anyway. I notice overstimulation from above 2,000mg. More is not always better guys..
Did you mean to say that ALCAR/PLCAR DECREASES ED and IMPROVES depression?I think the same effects are with regular l-carnitine or alcar. I can not prove it though as I have not saw the study.
alcar and plcar increases erection disfunction , depression in older men(I think the age range was like 55-70) some one can find the study and post it. so it effects something like total test...for old men. is it really useful for younger guys? I think l-carnitine works to some degree. I just wish there were more studies to find out exactly how it effects the hormonal process and what age groups is it most useful for. obviously older men it is useful for ed, fatigue, typical low test symtoms
it also has other benefits like mitrocondra freeing or something like that I am just focusing on testosterone production because without testosterone a person is not going to build a significant amount of muscle
I got tired off of it. Also, I've heard that it doesn't really boost test, but it can potentially maintain it, whatever that means. It's a controversial supplement.I got some bulk ALCAR about a week ago and have been talking 1/4 teaspoon 3x a day with 200 mg ALA and drinking a green tea, and I haven't noticed anything yet.
Mainly I want the reputed brain boosting at this point as I have been at a point in my life that lacks mental stimulation and I want to try and get neurons firing...but test boosting and leaning would be awesome too! :evil:
So what am I doing wrong? Or do I just need a bit more time?
I thought I read the nootropic effects were almost immediate, but again, I notice nothing at all.
I know I've read in some of the threads that taking too much (like 3 grams a day) will have opposite effects on cognition...ie make you tired and confused. I'm only at about 1.5 grams so that shouldn't be my issue. I just don't feel anything at all.I got tired off of it. Also, I've heard that it doesn't really boost test, but it can potentially maintain it, whatever that means. It's a controversial supplement.
I put "whatever that means" because I don't quite get it myself. Mayby with age? Don't know. Either way, there is still controversy surrounding wether or not it affects test in any way.I know I've read in some of the threads that taking too much (like 3 grams a day) will have opposite effects on cognition...ie make you tired and confused. I'm only at about 1.5 grams so that shouldn't be my issue. I just don't feel anything at all.
WTF is meant by maintains test? Does that mean it may keep test levels from dropping after cycle? I'm doing pct atm anyway so that's fine, like I said though, I was more interested in ALCAR for the mental effects.
ALCAR can possibly counterbalance stressors that may lower test. Effectively keeping it regularI got tired off of it. Also, I've heard that it doesn't really boost test, but it can potentially maintain it, whatever that means. It's a controversial supplement.
Agreed common sense, found best results using it first thing in the morning, good stimulation that wears off at bedtime, combined with RLA its primo.A lot of effects of alcar should be immediate or within a few days. The mental effects immediate. The testosterone effect a few days. Fat burning effects obviously vary and take time to notice and very hard to determine if your results came from that alone. Most recommendations for fat loss are 1,000 to 2,000 mg usually divided into two doses. Side effects could occur any higher then that and may be over kill anyway. I notice overstimulation from above 2,000mg. More is not always better guys..
Would you care to explain a bit deeper ?It wont aid in fat loss
^^^^^^this X 2........I definitely personally see the leaning out effects from it. I also feel the energy boost and associate this with the oxidization of the mitochondria and the burning of carbohydrates and fats.This is substantiated with numerous studies.Would you care to explain a bit deeper ? If I'm not totally off, I'd say that the L-Carnitine plays an important role in the transformation and the use of long-chain fatty acids. And these fatty acids are then subjected to beta-oxidation and then converted into energy. Besides the transformation from fat to energy, it looks also to the body's hormones are maintained and counteracts cortisol. Both have a positive affect on the fat loss..
Would you care to explain a bit deeper ?
If I'm not totally off, I'd say that the L-Carnitine plays an important role in the transformation and the use of long-chain fatty acids. And these fatty acids are then subjected to beta-oxidation and then converted into energy. Besides the transformation from fat to energy, it looks also to the body's hormones are maintained and counteracts cortisol. Both have a positive affect on the fat loss..
And no, it is not substantiated by numerous studies that dont have flaws or questionable significance^^^^^^this X 2........I definitely personally see the leaning out effects from it. I also feel the energy boost and associate this with the oxidization of the mitochondria and the burning of carbohydrates and fats.This is substantiated with numerous studies.
Keep taking it then.Everyone is different and there are a wide variety of products that arent equal in quality. Im not surprised it doesnt promote loss in some people, for me it does.
^-- I can relate to this.. Been trying it on and off to try and see the difference... and it's really there..it's just as you say, it's slow.. But when taken enough overtime you'll notice it...In the past month I started taking alcar again, took about 3 weeks till I noticed I started leaning out. Weight wasn't coming off the scale but I'm seeing more definition. I'm like "where did this come from?" Then I'm like it has to be the ALCAR. Same results every time I take it. It works slow but overtime it cuts you up. I've never really taken carnitine or other forms because why change up what works you know?
Absolutely agree here, I am getting so shredded and venous, the definition is as if Im on, bodyfat is low, Im 57 with a 34 inch waist.^-- I can relate to this.. Been trying it on and off to try and see the difference... and it's really there..it's just as you say, it's slow.. But when taken enough overtime you'll notice it...
With all due respect. Who says it us not substantiated by numerous studies that are not flawed? Who is this mysterious expert? What makes his "nay" so special and above the the ones that say "yay"?There are plenty of members here that also say it leans them out. Although anecdotal, who says this negative person takes precedence over all the other studies and all us here.The results are subtle and take time. It is a supplement not a drug and therefore results are noticed over months but the results are definitely there for the most part.And no, it is not substantiated by numerous studies that dont have flaws or questionable significanceDont get me wrong, I like carnitine and use it for other benefits, there just isnt much good evidence to show it promotes fat loss.
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