just got a bottle after several weeks of research. i am 26 yrs old, 6'0, weight 238. looking to shred some pounds and put on some size/strength but wanted to go as safe as possible. my question is why at night, and what are these dreams that people are having. is it like a panic dream or sexual. just wanting to ask some folks that have taken. thanks again . have learned so much from the site. will def. keep reading.

I have two bottles coming Wednesday, I hope it's the sexy dreams.

Originally Posted by tocold

just got a bottle after several weeks of research.

What exactly did you learn during several weeks of researching Novedex XT.

some people found good results using as a stand alone. some not so much. everyone said that if taken above the recommended dose that libido would be compromised. several of the guys at the gym have taken cycles with mild results which is fine with me. i didn't want anything very strong such as the M-drol or superdrol. i just wanted a little help losing some body fat and gain some strength so that is what i am hoping for. several people on the web have said "vivid dreams" and that is what i am wondering about.

Do you know what causes the possible libido crashes? It is ATD, I would suggest you look up the ingredients rather than the actual product its self.

Originally Posted by TexasLifter89

Do you know what causes the possible libido crashes? It is ATD, I would suggest you look up the ingredients rather than the actual product its self.

Yeah man it's ATD. Same as Inhibit-E. Also, you can't really compare it to a PH/AAS like h-drol or superdrol. It might give you a little boost but nothing major. Also, look in Arachidonic Acid. I've had great results with it for recomping. The new X-Factor should be out soon.

What is wrong with ATD?

"ATD for Estrogen Control
ATD (3,17-dioxo-etiochol-1,4,6-triene) is a recent introduction to estrogen control. It is thought to stop estrogen production in a manner similar to steroidal AI’s such as exemestane. Brand name ATD’s are Rebound XT, Rebound Reloaded, Novedex XT, Ultra H.O.T and Ultra H.O.T.ter.

ATD is technically an aromatase inhibitor, but with some interesting properties that make it a very useful addition to our estrogen control arsenals.

There are two negative feedback loops that we try to correct through post cycle therapy. The first is elevated estrogen levels from aromatase activity act on the hypothalamus to decrease GnRH production. The second is that elevated androgen levels stimulate androgen receptors in the hypothalamus causing decreased GnRH production. Decreased GnRH leads to reduced LH and FSH production, both of which are directly involved in testosterone production.

Typical PCT with SERM’s and AI’s address the estrogen component of this negative feedback, but do nothing for androgenic stimulation of the hypothalamus. ATD addresses the androgenic feedback loop. ATD has 90% androgenic activity in muscle tissue but only 10% androgenic activity in the hypothalamus.

ATD works for androgen activity the same way that tamoxifen works for estrogen. Tamoxifen blocks estrogen in breast tissue, but has positive effects in other tissue such as liver and bone. ATD blocks androgens in the hypothalamus, but allows it to be active in other tissue.

Because of this dual action estrogen levels are lowered while testosterone levels begin to rise. This is because ATD tricks your hypothalamus into thinking testosterone levels are low so it produces more. ATD provides benefits far beyond simply controlling estrogen in your body. Through its control over the androgen negative feedback loop testosterone production is restarted much faster. And the faster you recover your natural testosterone production the easier it is to keep muscular gains.

In addition to ATD’s benefits for post cycle therapy studies have shown that employing ATD during AAS use maintains significant HPTA function. This means reduced testicular atrophy and faster post-cycle recovery. This is something that you simply can’t get from estrogen control alone.

ATD can also be used by the natural athlete to increase testosterone production. In studies increases of up to 400% in testosterone have been seen. This is equivalent to injecting 400-600mg per week of testosterone enanthate or cypionate. This means continued growth for the natural athlete without the problems and side effects usually associated with injecting testosterone.

While there should technically not be any difference between the ATD ptoducts I have personally seen the best results using Rebound XT by Designer Supplements. I believe it is also the most cost effective of the ATD products out there. Your mileage may vary.

I’ve found the following discussion on running SERM’s inverse to ATD’s which is both informative and by all accounts very effective. It has been posted on many forums and the credit for it goes to Dr. D. Thank you Dr. D!"

the dreams, are vivid that i've experienced with products like this, not necesarrily (spelling) any type of dream, but you remember more of them and just wild stuff, the one i remember most was cooking ham in a frying pan and shooting a liquid american cheese from a supersoaker on it, if that helps

Originally Posted by Young Gotti

the dreams, are vivid that i've experienced with products like this, not necesarrily (spelling) any type of dream, but you remember more of them and just wild stuff, the one i remember most was cooking ham in a frying pan and shooting a liquid american cheese from a supersoaker on it, if that helps

.............................. that wasnt the novedex man

Originally Posted by Loch

What is wrong with ATD?

"ATD for Estrogen Control
ATD (3,17-dioxo-etiochol-1,4,6-triene) is a recent introduction to estrogen control. It is thought to stop estrogen production in a manner similar to steroidal AI’s such as exemestane. Brand name ATD’s are Rebound XT, Rebound Reloaded, Novedex XT, Ultra H.O.T and Ultra H.O.T.ter.

ATD is technically an aromatase inhibitor, but with some interesting properties that make it a very useful addition to our estrogen control arsenals.

There are two negative feedback loops that we try to correct through post cycle therapy. The first is elevated estrogen levels from aromatase activity act on the hypothalamus to decrease GnRH production. The second is that elevated androgen levels stimulate androgen receptors in the hypothalamus causing decreased GnRH production. Decreased GnRH leads to reduced LH and FSH production, both of which are directly involved in testosterone production.

Typical PCT with SERM’s and AI’s address the estrogen component of this negative feedback, but do nothing for androgenic stimulation of the hypothalamus. ATD addresses the androgenic feedback loop. ATD has 90% androgenic activity in muscle tissue but only 10% androgenic activity in the hypothalamus.

ATD works for androgen activity the same way that tamoxifen works for estrogen. Tamoxifen blocks estrogen in breast tissue, but has positive effects in other tissue such as liver and bone. ATD blocks androgens in the hypothalamus, but allows it to be active in other tissue.

Because of this dual action estrogen levels are lowered while testosterone levels begin to rise. This is because ATD tricks your hypothalamus into thinking testosterone levels are low so it produces more. ATD provides benefits far beyond simply controlling estrogen in your body. Through its control over the androgen negative feedback loop testosterone production is restarted much faster. And the faster you recover your natural testosterone production the easier it is to keep muscular gains.

In addition to ATD’s benefits for post cycle therapy studies have shown that employing ATD during AAS use maintains significant HPTA function. This means reduced testicular atrophy and faster post-cycle recovery. This is something that you simply can’t get from estrogen control alone.

ATD can also be used by the natural athlete to increase testosterone production. In studies increases of up to 400% in testosterone have been seen. This is equivalent to injecting 400-600mg per week of testosterone enanthate or cypionate. This means continued growth for the natural athlete without the problems and side effects usually associated with injecting testosterone.

While there should technically not be any difference between the ATD ptoducts I have personally seen the best results using Rebound XT by Designer Supplements. I believe it is also the most cost effective of the ATD products out there. Your mileage may vary.

I’ve found the following discussion on running SERM’s inverse to ATD’s which is both informative and by all accounts very effective. It has been posted on many forums and the credit for it goes to Dr. D. Thank you Dr. D!"

nothing is wrong with ATD, not sure where you got the idea that something was. However, It is banned by a few natural organizations, and it is a libido killer. I just suggested you know what you are taking ingredient wise and what to expect.

-Tex
Team APPNUT

Got it, sorry for misreading you. During the research I did it looked to me most of the guys who did experience the loss of libido where taking the maximum recommended amount. I’ve ready that 25 to 50mg is all you need to be effective and some where taking 100mg per day. So I guess the lesson here is ATD is powerful stuff and if you overdose and totally shut down your estrogen levels it may affect your drive.

Originally Posted by Loch

Got it, sorry for misreading you. During the research I did it looked to me most of the guys who did experience the loss of libido where taking the maximum recommended amount. I’ve ready that 25 to 50mg is all you need to be effective and some where taking 100mg per day. So I guess the lesson here is ATD is powerful stuff and if you overdose and totally shut down your estrogen levels it may affect your drive.

yes, sir!

-Tex
Team APPNUT