Stupid me, TD formestane in my eye...

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Is this a really bad thing? Not being used to a TD, I wiped my eye with the back of my hands(which I had used to get rid of some excess Form). Got the left eye, I guess. I put eye drops in it, and held my head under hte faucet for about 10-15 seconds, and pored a cup over my eye slowly as well. Been using my Opti- fresh contact lense drops to try and rinse it since I cant open my eye under water.

How bad is this for my eye? I mean am I gona wake up blind, or just be irritated for a bit?
 

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Well what does the bottle say? Does it have first aid instructions? Just be careful about putting different kinds of drops in, you don't want to risk a bad reaction on top of the TD.
 

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dont understand why you are taking an AI at 22. IMO waste of money .your estrogen levels will be at the lowest they will be -ever.
Users of formestane or any AI as a standalone product i would suggest should be at least 40 or older, thereby increasing the testosterone -estrogen ratio in favour of test
 
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Well what does the bottle say? Does it have first aid instructions? Just be careful about putting different kinds of drops in, you don't want to risk a bad reaction on top of the TD.
The bottle doesnt say anything. Its Penetrate from nutra. It lists the ingredients. I will probably repost this in the nutra forum.


dont understand why you are taking an AI at 22. IMO waste of money .your estrogen levels will be at the lowest they will be -ever.
Users of formestane or any AI as a standalone product i would suggest should be at least 40 or older, thereby increasing the testosterone -estrogen ratio in favour of test
I have had mood elevation from it and a feel good feeling on AI's. Its part of my new log, its not the only thing I am using.
 
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Which version of penetrate?

Likey it is just an irritant, and you will be fine. Just be thankful it's not 1-test.
 
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Which version of penetrate?

Likey it is just an irritant, and you will be fine. Just be thankful it's not 1-test.
Thanks dsade

lol! Yeah. It is the newest version I think, I only ordered it about 2 months ago.

I was reading up on it, it could be the Vasodilators in it. I mean the left of of my left eye looks ike I am mutating its got so many blood vessels, and this is about 11 hours later haha. Eh it feels a lil weird, but I can still see. I will just keep doing drops. I cant cry though, its like...I cant with it in there.
 

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Eye doc here... Depends what linda pH u are looking at... Could cause a bad burn or just irritate it... Prob 2nd since you didnt run out and have it looked at. Irrigating it was the correct thing to do. Def wanna give yourself a break from contacts if u wear them while it heals... U can be at risk for a 2ndary infection. I can't see it so hard to diag anything. If it doesn't seem to get better go see a doc. Continue with the artifical tears 4-6x day til it feels better.
 
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good advice on avoiding the contacts.
 
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Eye doc here... Depends what linda pH u are looking at... Could cause a bad burn or just irritate it... Prob 2nd since you didnt run out and have it looked at. Irrigating it was the correct thing to do. Def wanna give yourself a break from contacts if u wear them while it heals... U can be at risk for a 2ndary infection. I can't see it so hard to diag anything. If it doesn't seem to get better go see a doc. Continue with the artifical tears 4-6x day til it feels better.
Yeah I will leave my contacts out. I could run to an eye doc, but I know it will cost 50 bucks, and then more if something is wrong for specialised drops/whateva.

I didnt think about the infection possibilities. Gona pick up some real eye drops today, the ones I am using are the ones used for keeping ur eyes hydrated with lenses in.

What do you mean by burns? Chemical burns? Luckily it is not on my cornea or such.
 

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Yeah I will leave my contacts out. I could run to an eye doc, but I know it will cost 50 bucks, and then more if something is wrong for specialised drops/whateva.
I didnt think about the infection possibilities. Gona pick up some real eye drops today, the ones I am using are the ones used for keeping ur eyes hydrated with lenses in.

What do you mean by burns? Chemical burns? Luckily it is not on my cornea or such.
How much is your eyesight worth?
 
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Which version of penetrate?

Likey it is just an irritant, and you will be fine. Just be thankful it's not 1-test.
yes, that will make your eye bigger.... i give it to my g/f who squints a lot....
 

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Yeah I will leave my contacts out. I could run to an eye doc, but I know it will cost 50 bucks, and then more if something is wrong for specialised drops/whateva.

I didnt think about the infection possibilities. Gona pick up some real eye drops today, the ones I am using are the ones used for keeping ur eyes hydrated with lenses in.
What do you mean by burns? Chemical burns? Luckily it is
not on my cornea or such.
U need a perscriprion for real drops... Visine is not what u need... The only OTC thing u need are the lub drops. Continue the lubracating drops 4-6x day. If not feeling better in a day or so go see a doc... Suck up the cost and do it... They should be able to treat u and not have to send u anywhere.

Yes I meant chemical burns... Due to the fact you got a chemical in your eye.
 
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I hate to admit it but the first time I tried TD formestane, I didn't wash my hands. I popped in my contacts and it took about .00012 seconds for me to realize... oooooohh shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiz!!!!!

I (pun intended) cleared up in about 24 hours luckily. If it would have still been irritated any longer, Liftingstud would have had some more business :D
 

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dont understand why you are taking an AI at 22. IMO waste of money .your estrogen levels will be at the lowest they will be -ever.
Users of formestane or any AI as a standalone product i would suggest should be at least 40 or older, thereby increasing the testosterone -estrogen ratio in favour of test
Please do the forum a favour and shut the **** up, at 22 total test will most likely be higher, therefore estrogen will most likely be higher therfore formestane will be very effective in a 22 year old. When you do not understand the concept do comment on it, AI's are very effective when used in younger adults/teenagers
 
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I hate to admit it but the first time I tried TD formestane, I didn't wash my hands. I popped in my contacts and it took about .00012 seconds for me to realize... oooooohh shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiz!!!!!

I (pun intended) cleared up in about 24 hours luckily. If it would have still been irritated any longer, Liftingstud would have had some more business :D
Sorry to hear of your similar fate. Its only the next day, and has not been 24 hours. lol. I just got a bit off into the left white side of my eye. Doesnt actually bother me much. I am using Zaditor Anti histamine drops(its better than what I had) until tomorrow when I will make a call to se a doc if it int better.

U need a perscriprion for real drops... Visine is not what u need... The only OTC thing u need are the lub drops. Continue the lubracating drops 4-6x day. If not feeling better in a day or so go see a doc... Suck up the cost and do it... They should be able to treat u and not have to send u anywhere.

Yes I meant chemical burns... Due to the fact you got a chemical in your eye.
I have about 2000 in floating doctor bills that i dont even know where they are at the moment because I forgot who they are owed to or where to pay them at. People have to forgive my hesitancy around medical professions, I got a DNR order so I can die in peace if I am in a wreck, isntead of waking up and owing 500,000$, but "thankfully" being alive LOL.

If the need is there, yeah tomorrow will look into an eye doctor, maybe the one at Sear optical, they are usually pretty good.

Thanks to all the input! Taking a shower again here in a min, I will try to let water run through a bit.
 

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Did u not listen to what I said!!!! Ughhh u need an artificial tear!!!! Not an antihist... You probabilily irritated you conjuntivia and the lubrcation from the tears will help it heal. I think I know what I am talking about since I am an eye doctor!!! I know i cant see it but pretty sure i have a good idea of what u need. The antihist will do nothing for you. It may even dry the eye out. Lubrication lubracation. Why do patients ways think they know more than the doctor? I see this everyday ugh!!!
 
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Did u not listen to what I said!!!! Ughhh u need an artificial tear!!!! Not an antihist... You probabilily irritated you conjuntivia and the lubrcation from the tears will help it heal. I think I know what I am talking about since I am an eye doctor!!! I know i cant see it but pretty sure i have a good idea of what u need. The antihist will do nothing for you. It may even dry the eye out. Lubrication lubracation. Why do patients ways think they know more than the doctor? I see this everyday ugh!!!
Didnt say I knew more, said I aint got the artificial tears yet, so I am using what I got. Picking some up, think you said they could be gotten at the store. Chill lol. I appreciate the care, things will go ok and artificial tears will be acquired.
 

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Please do the forum a favour and shut the **** up, at 22 total test will most likely be higher, therefore estrogen will most likely be higher therfore formestane will be very effective in a 22 year old. When you do not understand the concept do comment on it, AI's are very effective when used in younger adults/teenagers
You have more of the aromatase enzyme the older you are Estrogen will not be higher in a 22 year old male .it will be at a minimum.Testosterone in late teens and early 20s will be at the top end of the reference range or even higher. From what you are saying you would expect to see more males in their late teens /early twenties with all the side effects that estrogen conversion brings. This is simply not the case.

Aromatase activity INCREASES with age and i still maintain an AI has more benefit for an older person
 
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You have more of the aromatase enzyme the older you are Estrogen will not be higher in a 22 year old male .it will be at a minimum.Testosterone in late teens and early 20s will be at the top end of the reference range or even higher. From what you are saying you would expect to see more males in their late teens /early twenties with all the side effects that estrogen conversion brings. This is simply not the case.

Aromatase activity INCREASES with age and i still maintain an AI has more benefit for an older person
Science and theory is great. Results are better :head: Ask anyone his age if how bad asss formestane results are and 99% will agree that it's awesome.
 

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Science and theory is great. Results are better :head: Ask anyone his age if how bad asss formestane results are and 99% will agree that it's awesome.
That may be so , if thats the case then the results an older guy gets will be even better
 
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That may be so , if thats the case then the results an older guy gets will be even better
That may or may not be true. A lot of time test to estrogen ratios are more important than overall numbers. Also, Formestane effects dht, igf, and is a mild ph to 4ot. There's way more to it than just binding aromatase.

Have you tried TD formestane?
 
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I can agree it may show outstanding aid to older men. But it has its purposes in the younger generations IMO. Like I said I feel energetic and happier when I am on AI's, such as when I was on hypderdrol x2

Not to mention todays foods/chemicals/stress can drastically raise estrogen an cortisol. Looking around you can see more and more men in their 20's that look like their bodies have never seen testosterone before. So I dont see how it could hurt. If anything I am not expecting it alone to change my life, but to add a nice little bit of aid to it.
 

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That may or may not be true. A lot of time test to estrogen ratios are more important than overall numbers. Also, Formestane effects dht, igf, and is a mild ph to 4ot. There's way more to it than just binding aromatase.

Have you tried TD formestane?
Not yet currently using 6 bromo which i like.If i were to try it id use the oral version.
The one by CEL doesnt seem cost effective on first glance.
 
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Not yet currently using 6 bromo which i like.If i were to try it id use the oral version.
The one by CEL doesnt seem cost effective on first glance.
Don't judge products until you've tried them. Don't chastise someone for choosing a product that you haven't tried yourself. You're out of line in this thread.
 

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If aromotise is higher in older men then why it is that teenagers are the ones developing gyno? science is great but personal experience + noted results from younger users is far more useful when deciding on supplements....for the record I have tried TD form and love it (CEL great product...) so I know from personal expereience that it works, as has been stated if you have no use of the product then do not comment on it, reading studies does not give you knowledge to comment on these supplements...
 

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If aromotise is higher in older men then why it is that teenagers are the ones developing gyno? science is great but personal experience + noted results from younger users is far more useful when deciding on supplements....for the record I have tried TD form and love it (CEL great product...) so I know from personal expereience that it works, as has been stated if you have no use of the product then do not comment on it, reading studies does not give you knowledge to comment on these supplements...
What i have said is about the aromatase enzyme is fact -it is more active in older men than younger men ,If younger men are developing gyno then is it because they are using prohormones /ds and have not had cycle /pct support when using them ? This you havent said.If you are saying teenagers are developing gyno because they are producing too much estrogen and too little testosterone ie hormonal imbalance then thats a matter for the doctor and not self administration of an otc supplement. My initial post was not a comment on the product .It would apply whatever the AI was.If you want to use them go ahead .A search on Google will confirm that the aromatase enzyme is more active in older men

Oh and just incase you are totally unaware of the other effects an AI has on the body beside reducing estrogen ,Here they are:- IT MAY cause joint pain , weakness, fatigue, mood changes, depression,high blood pressure, swelling of arms/legs and decrease bone density which could result in fractures. Estrogen also has some benefit on cholesterol so reducing it will reduce those benefits.
SOURCE:WILLIAM LLEWELLYN ANABOLICS 9TH EDITION

With regard to your comment "it works" hows it work? what benefit has it given you ? Has body composition changed? Has strength increased? Have you lost fat? Have you gained weight? gained muscle?
Perhaps you could expand on " it works "
 

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Oh and just incase you are totally unaware of the other effects an AI has on the body beside reducing estrogen ,Here they are:- IT MAY cause joint pain , weakness, fatigue, mood changes, depression,high blood pressure, swelling of arms/legs and decrease bone density which could result in fractures. Estrogen also has some benefit on cholesterol so reducing it will reduce those benefits.
SOURCE:WILLIAM LLEWELLYN ANABOLICS 9TH EDITION
And those are serious side effects, which you would worry about when using letrozole-I am talking about formestane, A relativly mild AI which will shift the t/e ratio more in favour in T, the effects you are talking about occur with extremely harsh AI's not with reasonable doses of formestane. By "It works" I was referring to the fact that it reduced my estrogen enough to eradicate nipple sensetivity. I also noticed mildly greater strength increases while using it, but that could well have just been placebo. I am quite aware that in literature the aramatoze enzyme is more active in older men all thats great but who do you think has the most test to be converted? young men. Also I have no idea what makes you think that it is older men who experience estrogen related sides more than younger men, younger men have more test. This means more is converted to estrogen. Younger men can develop gyno without using prohormones/steroids, its called puberty and its the reason estrogen is naturally high enough in younger men to cause gyno.
 
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I am seeing alot of gyno in people who never even touch supps. I had a buddy take off a shirt the other day fugging almost made me puke. Dude hat tits. And he is not the only one I know like that. I really think there is an issue our environment causing genetic degradation.

At any rate calling an eye doc tomorrow and going to see one. its still bothering me, and in the mirror it s stil blood shot at one spot, and looks like the teture is weird. So i will play it safe. Contemplating on doing my lifts tonight.
 

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And those are serious side effects, which you would worry about when using letrozole-I am talking about formestane, A relativly mild AI which will shift the t/e ratio more in favour in T, the effects you are talking about occur with extremely harsh AI's not with reasonable doses of formestane. By "It works" I was referring to the fact that it reduced my estrogen enough to eradicate nipple sensetivity. I also noticed mildly greater strength increases while using it, but that could well have just been placebo. I am quite aware that in literature the aramatoze enzyme is more active in older men all thats great but who do you think has the most test to be converted? young men. Also I have no idea what makes you think that it is older men who experience estrogen related sides more than younger men, younger men have more test. This means more is converted to estrogen. Younger men can develop gyno without using prohormones/steroids, its called puberty and its the reason estrogen is naturally high enough in younger men to cause gyno.
you just dont get it do you -do your research on google -the aromatase enzyme is more active in older men,

extracts from life extension foundation

As men age past year 40, hormonal changes occur that perceptibly inhibit physical, sexual, and cognitive function. The outward appearance of a typical middle aged male shows increased abdominal fat and shrinkage of muscle mass, a hallmark effect of hormone imbalance. A loss of feeling of well being, sometimes manifesting as depression, is a common psychological complication of hormone imbalance (94-97, 271).*

If doctors checked their male patients' blood levels of estrogen, testosterone, thyroid, and DHEA (instead of prescribing drugs to treat symptoms), they might be surprised to learn that many problems could be eliminated by adjusting hormone levels to fit the profile of a healthy 21-year-old.-the text in bold would suggest that estrogen levels in young men is not an issue

extract from www.andropausecanada.com
"Both men and women must have a specific ratio of testosterone to estrogen. Young men may have a ratio of testosterone to estrogen of 50:1. The ratio drops to 20:1 or even as low as 8:1 with normal aging.
Bold text again suggests estrogen is not an issue in young men

The side effects i quoted are taken from William Llewellyns book and in it there is a two page spread on Formestane. This originally was known as LENTARON and originally was only available by injection.
you know you talk as though im making all this up .ive given you the facts, if you choose to ignore them , then thats fine by me.
i did say at the beginning that IN MY OPINION , AI s were not necessary in younger men and older guys would get more benefit.
We live in a free society , if you wish to spend your money on formex or any other version thats fine its your choice. These supplements arent candy from Walmart ,they are DRUGS and as such i would advise you to do thorough research before taking them .
thats my final word on the matter ,
 
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I had a buddy take off a shirt the other day fugging almost made me puke. Dude hat tits. And he is not the only one I know like that. I really think there is an issue our environment causing genetic degradation.
or too many hostess cupcakes. more than half the time when people call gyno its just fat accumulation
 
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or too many hostess cupcakes. more than half the time when people call gyno its just fat accumulation
true, but some of this dude make me wanna puke because its not fat. Quite a few are skinny and have this issue I see. Like my ex's husband, which makes me enjoy life a lil bit :D
 
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Aromatase is not only more active in older men, we have far higher amounts of it that ensure that the majority of test we produce is converted to estrogen. Unless you have actually tested out with high levels of E at a young age, there's no compelling reason to use an AI in your teens and 20's other than self experimentation.

And yes, I've used form (and so far, not that impressed) since that apparently has to be the criteria to judge knowledge around here anymore. Sad day for AM when someone gets put down for offering up science over Bro-telligence.
 
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And yes, I've used form (and so far, not that impressed) since that apparently has to be the criteria to judge knowledge around here anymore. Sad day for AM when someone gets put down for offering up science over Bro-telligence.
It seems that we share the same opinion. Indeed, it is sad.
 
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true, but some of this dude make me wanna puke because its not fat. Quite a few are skinny and have this issue I see. Like my ex's husband, which makes me enjoy life a lil bit :D
So you marvel in someone else's despair? That’s not what I expect a devout Christian to do.
 
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I like eform a lot, but i'm a fat old prick with ridiculous estrogen levels
 
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well, yeah now, and making good progress too :) but before i was prescribed arimidex, I liked eform a lot. still like it now :)
 
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well, yeah now, and making good progress too :) but before i was prescribed arimidex, I liked eform a lot. still like it now :)
Gotcha. How long have you been on Arimidex, and at what dosage?
 
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its been .5mg EOD now since end of march ish time frame. I have it writen down somewhere. So a little less than 3 months
 
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mostly slowly working and now I am maintaining progress between cycles instead of loosing it all. i'll probably start a log soon as my countdown to the olympia. My !@#!@#! waist isn't changing much but still notice slow stead loss of fat, and increase in muscle. Probably still at 14-15% bf, but i'm there at 209 now which isn't bad for 5'10". I figure i'll drop maybe 10lbs of fat betwen now and the O, and hopefully gain 3-4 of muscle (doing DC now) and have abs around 200-205. As it is now it blows, I still have love handles, but occasionally see veins on my obliques, or calves....
 
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So you marvel in someone else's despair? That’s not what I expect a devout Christian to do.
His marriage is based off mine.:worried: I think thats fair enough:dunno: At any rate the only reason I didnt rip im inn half and stuff him in a trash can was because at the moment I was going to she stepped in the way. If you are not Christian, stfu about judging a Christian, kthxbye.

You beat a dead horse way too much. Get a new hobby.
 
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you just dont get it do you -do your research on google -the aromatase enzyme is more active in older men,

extracts from life extension foundation

As men age past year 40, hormonal changes occur that perceptibly inhibit physical, sexual, and cognitive function. The outward appearance of a typical middle aged male shows increased abdominal fat and shrinkage of muscle mass, a hallmark effect of hormone imbalance. A loss of feeling of well being, sometimes manifesting as depression, is a common psychological complication of hormone imbalance (94-97, 271).*

If doctors checked their male patients' blood levels of estrogen, testosterone, thyroid, and DHEA (instead of prescribing drugs to treat symptoms), they might be surprised to learn that many problems could be eliminated by adjusting hormone levels to fit the profile of a healthy 21-year-old.-the text in bold would suggest that estrogen levels in young men is not an issue

extract from www.andropausecanada.com
"Both men and women must have a specific ratio of testosterone to estrogen. Young men may have a ratio of testosterone to estrogen of 50:1. The ratio drops to 20:1 or even as low as 8:1 with normal aging.
Bold text again suggests estrogen is not an issue in young men

The side effects i quoted are taken from William Llewellyns book and in it there is a two page spread on Formestane. This originally was known as LENTARON and originally was only available by injection.
you know you talk as though im making all this up .ive given you the facts, if you choose to ignore them , then thats fine by me.
i did say at the beginning that IN MY OPINION , AI s were not necessary in younger men and older guys would get more benefit.
We live in a free society , if you wish to spend your money on formex or any other version thats fine its your choice. These supplements arent candy from Walmart ,they are DRUGS and as such i would advise you to do thorough research before taking them .
thats my final word on the matter ,
That sounds like BS to me. My buddy told me that the stuff works wonders and he's hyoooge.

 
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Aromatase is not only more active in older men, we have far higher amounts of it that ensure that the majority of test we produce is converted to estrogen. Unless you have actually tested out with high levels of E at a young age, there's no compelling reason to use an AI in your teens and 20's other than self experimentation.

And yes, I've used form (and so far, not that impressed) since that apparently has to be the criteria to judge knowledge around here anymore. Sad day for AM when someone gets put down for offering up science over Bro-telligence.
I may have come across the wrong way. I'm not arguing the citations that suggest aromatase activity is greater in older adults. But the nature of the posts suggests that one must have a PROBLEM with aromatase in order for an AI to have any positive effect. That's why I suggested earlier that test/estrogen ratios can still be altered by an AI and have positive performance and body composition effect whether in their 20's or 40's.

And more specifically, Formestane has more effect than just lowering estrogen with as many references as you wish to site.

Sorry you're unimpressed with formestane. My bro-x-perience consistantly shows improved body composition, strength, aggression, and libido with formestane. You're missing out I guess :dunno:
 
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His marriage is based off mine.:worried: I think thats fair enough:dunno: At any rate the only reason I didnt rip im inn half and stuff him in a trash can was because at the moment I was going to she stepped in the way. If you are not Christian, stfu about judging a Christian, kthxbye.

You beat a dead horse way too much. Get a new hobby.
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Wow, calling the kettle... nevermind.

You make NO sense.
 
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Wow, calling the kettle... nevermind.

You make NO sense.
basically I said yeah, I'm not perfect, I believe in inflicting bodily harm in certain instances, having fun here and there, etc.

there was no bases for you to bring your comment into this thread. All you do is chase religions and find something to bicker about. Find a new hobby.

I like you, respect you, but wtf sometimes...
 
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FWIW, I'll jump in to confirm that we Old Farts who sport more E than our wives, love Form. I've got two years of using it with great results. In fact I am about to start another 10 week cycle tomorrow. As usual I expect my E to go down and my prostate to be much safer. At the same time my strength will go up as will my libido and my agression.
 

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