Kidney Stones and excessive protein
- 06-11-2009, 06:49 PM
Kidney Stones and excessive protein
Just got diagnosed with 2 kidney stones...... Dang it.
One of the first thing the doc (Urologist) asked me since he knows I'm a bodybuilder is "I imagine you eat a lot of protein correct?" . Of course, but nothing crazy (200 grams/day, I'm 200 pounds 11%). He told me he has seen this time and time again (bodybuilder type -kidney stones).
I have no family history at all. So I went home and googled. Sure enough, excessive protein (and calcium) can be culprits along with dehydration (I drink a gallon of water a day) anda few other things.
How is it that as a community, we dont see this more often?
- 06-11-2009, 07:01 PM
i would like to know what he would've said if he didn't know about your protein intake and what not. honestly.
the majority of nowadays doctors are so quick to come to a final conclusion at the first sight of a possibility. they treat their patients more like cattle than individual people.
06-11-2009, 07:33 PM
06-11-2009, 08:05 PM
06-11-2009, 08:33 PM
I developed kidney problems as well it was due to high protein diet and creatine intake. Apparently my doctor knew it was protein because he saw my urine was bubbly he said it was called proteineura or something.
I stopped creatine all together, I did some research and Creatinine levels is associated with kidney problems.
What I felt was headaches and back pains. Now I only eat fish with no spices and I only eat red meat like 1 time a week and it has to be really lean.
I cannot have junk foods, dark sodas and other stuff with high saturated fats.
Sucks ass to be honest but It was my own fault you experiment with yourself when you take supplements.
oh ya I was perfectly healthy before.
06-11-2009, 08:35 PM
06-11-2009, 09:18 PM
06-11-2009, 09:24 PM
I would work to maintain an adequate hydration as a means of overall prevention. As i said though, some people are just much more prone to their development.
Evolutionary Muse - Inspire to Evolve
06-11-2009, 09:41 PM
I have heard of this several times. I would increase your water intake and supplement with cranberry extract. Back off the protein a little bit and maybe switch from whey concentrate to whey isolate. Also if you are bringing down your protein intake maybe add in some BCAA's as I have always considered that super protein anyways
06-12-2009, 07:43 AM
All good advice. Thanks. I am just in awe that there are not more bb'ers plagued by this. Again, I'm only a 200 grams/protein a day guy where as some consume 400 grams/day potentiating their situation even moreso. Must be just bad luck.
06-12-2009, 08:14 AM
I have had kidney stones in the past, funny enough, when I was taking time away from lifting. I had to have the laser surgery to remove it. Take in as much water as possible in attempts pass it as quickly as possible.
06-12-2009, 12:23 PM
how did you guys know you had it??,..
were you all actually feeling pain in the kidney, or was it just something the doc pointed out in a random checkup?
06-12-2009, 12:36 PM
I woke up in the middle of an. It was a rough day. I remember walking into the hospital saying, something hurts. Wasnt as excruciating as I would have expected. Then they said it was too big to pass, so they would have to "go in" and break it up.
06-12-2009, 02:10 PM
It seems like everytime I go to the Dr, no matter what, it has something to do with my bodybuilding.
Blood pressure- what supplements are you on?
anxiety- what supplements are you on?
stomach cramps- what supplements are you on?
back pain- why do you workout? You're big enough....by the way, what supplemts are you on?
Sleep apnea- your neck is so muscular it's contricting your airway (serious)
It looks like my quest for size and health is killing me!
06-12-2009, 02:30 PM
Here we go again..
Yah I think there is definitely some relation between very high protein diet and kidney stones. If you take in too much excess protein and or not enough water then there would be a greater chance of difficulty. Knowing how much you should take is relative to body type and how intensely you work out. I am 240 and am fairly efficient (endo) so I find that anywhere from 230 to 270 grams to be sufficient.
Your right though 200 grams does not seem excessive...
06-12-2009, 03:05 PM
I thought a felt some pain in my kidney area today, and I haven't been drinking as much water as I used to...looks like I'm going to have to up the water intake and hope it was just back pain. Yikes.
I think one day I checked and I was taking in 210g of protein a day or so. I'm 130-135lbs, is it overkill? I just try to have protein every 3-4 hours.
06-12-2009, 03:09 PM
06-12-2009, 03:32 PM
06-12-2009, 03:38 PM
06-12-2009, 05:49 PM
06-13-2009, 01:43 AM
how much protein do you take in 1 sitting?
Many times Kidney pains are due to things like dark sodas, high saturated fats, high proteins, Creatine intake turning to creatinine etc.
To be safe just drink 1 scoop in your shake and sip the shake don't down it. also eating small meals through out the day and not going overboard on the protein on 1 sitting.
I eat 6 to 8 small meals I lost some size but Im still muscular and lean but I would rather be healthy then super buff.
06-13-2009, 01:44 AM
could taking too much protien in 1 hit be more likly to cause kidney problems,
ie big protien shakes
06-13-2009, 02:23 AM
Look into Chanca Piedra and other kidney products...
Solaray Kidney SP6
Nature's Way Kidney/Bladder
Baseline Nutritionals Stone Breaker
You can fix this stuff yourself if you want to.
Then maybe buy some Raw apple cider vinegar and Lemons. Not lemon juice with preservatives, but lemons...
06-13-2009, 03:16 AM
I understand that bodybuilders need a higher protein intake to keep their body in a positive nitrogen balance to increase amino acid synthesis, however there has been scientific evidence that between 1.2g to 1.7g of protein per kg of body weight is sufficient for muscle building.
So... if you weigh 240 lbs = 130 to 184 g of protein is the appropriate range. Eating higher protein values than that is excess and will place more strain on your kidneys and more likely to cause kidney stones.
06-13-2009, 03:27 AM
I don't think anything more than 1g/lb. is necessary. If you're hydrated and not predisposed to kidney failure or electrolyte imbalances or other medical conditions, there is no reason you can't keep your intake that high. However, EXTREME ratios (anything over 1.25g/lb) is really just overkill and not delivering anything beneficial.
06-13-2009, 09:01 AM
06-13-2009, 09:18 AM
Whacked, I hope you get well soon. Also, thanks for posting this as I was never sure if higher protein intake could have a negative effect on the kidneys.
06-13-2009, 10:00 AM
I try to take my protein from whole foods...protein powders always make my Creatinine levels sky rocket..one doc told me that BCAAs can cause the same problem.
06-13-2009, 07:34 PM
I stick to whole foods now. I suggest to others don't gulp your shake sip it while relaxing. I seen a few bodybuilders do this they will make a shake and sip it and no gulp it down.
06-13-2009, 08:04 PM
It sad but I understand why.
What I like about bodybuilding is the unification of science and diet.
One problem is the advanced state of supplements. Sometime what happens is the development of a 'drug' which passed off as a supplement, the other is the shear access to pharmaceutical quality 'supplements'. The other is the bodybuilders wish to take things to extremes. The underlying issue and this is what concerns me, bodybuilders should be red-hot on biochemistry and metabolism - many are not its just one product here one there. The only question asked is 'what are teh gains?'
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