Taurine improves performance more than beta alanine?

[Fried Cheese]

Hi Guys,
Take a look at this article:

Animal study: taurine improves endurance

Animal study: taurine improves endurance

Now if beta-alanine removes taurine from the body, wouldn't it be critical and also give a performance boost if you supplemented taurine, say, 6 hours or so before or after beta-alanine. Maybe taurine is essential to supplement if you are taking beta-alanine.

 

[kingdong]

I'm gonna bump this, because know one else would, and it needs a bump.

 

[ecosocialist]

I'd have to say I personally feel that the test isn't accurate enough to make the claim of taurine being better than beta-alanine, especially without knowing accurate dosages. But thats just my thought.

 

[Bnatural]

dammit, my response to this is in another post, great now I gotta find which...

I don't remember beta alanine removing taurine though, well at least directly removing it.

 

[kingdong]

I don't know about the test, but this isn't the first time that I've heard of BA removing taurine.

 

[Bnatural]

From what I just scanned through, its only done on rodents thus far, and that doesn't always translate the same to humans. They are also megadosing when performing these trials, so that may play a factor as well.

 

[kingdong]

True

 

[Dutchman]

Beta-Alanine and Taurine coexist as the two most common Amino Acids in the Macula of your eye. Megadosing both has been a primary driver in restoring my eyesight to 20/20 over the last two years.

 

[kingdong]

Beta-Alanine and Taurine coexist as the two most common Amino Acids in the Macula of your eye. Megadosing both has been a primary driver in restoring my eyesight to 20/20 over the last two years.

Hmmm... Dosages?

 

[oufinny]

Hmmm... Dosages?

Yeah seriously, speak up on that comment. I would love to make any improvements to my vision I can, even if it is a long process. Better yet, if it stops any further deterioration that would be worth it right there. Bulk BA/Taurine is cheap compared to my contacts/glasses.

 

[Dutchman]

Sorry Kingdong, for some reason the software won't let me reply directly to you. I cap my own supplies at about 700 mg per cap. I take 5 caps each of both the Taurine and the Beta-Alanine. I balance these aminos with some carotinoids, Astazanthin, Zeazanthin and Lutein. The last I simply buy cheap at Sam's Club the other two at Vitacost and the aminos I buy as bulk powder at Nutra Planet. Over two years (after 8 years of no change) I went from 3.25 (R) and 3.75 (L) To 1.25 (R) and 1.75 (L) in one year of megadosing and then to 20/20 this year (Nov 2009). My Opthamologists were amazed.

 

[Inquirer]

Interesting, Dutchman. Any side effects?

 

[Bnatural]

this is actually quite interesting, and can you list the amounts of the other products you are taking?
you take all of these daily correct, not cycled, correct?

 

[AntonG42O]

3.5 gs of BA at a time isnt exactly megodosing, more like regular dosage. i feel like my eye sight has stopped declining and improved when I upped my beta-carotene and started eating more veggies that contain it.

 

[narraboth]

I only know 1.5g of taurine in the morning makes me more 'awaken', but not coffeine like awake. It's a nicely smooth good spirit.

 

[Dutchman]

The only side effects have been good ones both expected and unexpected. At right this moment there is a thread over at BB.com addressing the same questions. My answer last night holds here as well.

"It was strictly a by-product of my interest in B-Alanine and Taurine for their lifting supplement properties but as I read up on each I got more and more turned on. Then I made it a project and it worked like a charm. I did 8 mgs on the Astazanthin (Vitracost), 60 on the Lutein(Sam's Club) and the Super Zeazanthin from (Life Extension). Its funny, besides the ATP effects of the B-ALanine and the recovery of the Taurine, the Astazanthin helped me ( a very pale skinned Irish/German) to get a great tan for the first time since I was a kid. Lots of double effects going on."

And yes, I do these every day they are now a permanent part of my supplement regimin. In the BB thread mentioned above there is another guy (Flex3d) who just reported having the exact same results from Taurine +
B-Alanine.

 

[BBB]

Dutchman,

I know you're a big fan of supplemental DHEA. Do you use bio-identical or synthetic DHEA? Do you cycle? Do you vary the dosages? Are there any side effects?

 

[thescience]

i remember reading about this doctor jonathin wright guy. he would give taurine, vitamin e, zinc and something else to people and would restore macular degeneration in40% of people. the rest he could help by injecting the stuff, and later he concluded it was those people who needed hcl to get benefits from the nutrient protocall. personally, ive tried tons of lutein (from purebulk.) i mean tons of it. the stuff contains like 1% zeaxanthin which is alot given the dose you and everyone else can afford to take. ive also taken zinc and vitamin e, but the magic happened when i started taking taurine. ive read abtracts where dosages of 6g of taurine was given. since i dont believe in restricting fact intake, i reasons that i need taurine more than others might. no side-effects at 6g a day for me (2g three times a day) except hunger which i attribute to either taurine's insulin-like nature or to the fact that my liver may have been cleared through fat emulsion resulting in increased pancreatic function. the cool thing about this stuff is that it has to do with delivering electrolytes throughout the body through improving the sodium potassium pump system (a system that takes up 7% to 40% of our atp) as this is incredibly important to all our vital systems. its also interesting that alot of our brain is made of taurine. strangely, human breastmilk has this as its second most abundant amino. anyway, anything that works with insulin is going to be anabolic, as insulin is the most anabolic hormone out there. i noticed improvements in the way my eyes where working in two days of the 6g dose

 

[dadiesel5]

seen this article to

i remember reading about this doctor jonathin wright guy. he would give taurine, vitamin e, zinc and something else to people and would restore macular degeneration in40% of people. the rest he could help by injecting the stuff, and later he concluded it was those people who needed hcl to get benefits from the nutrient protocall. personally, ive tried tons of lutein (from purebulk.) i mean tons of it. the stuff contains like 1% zeaxanthin which is alot given the dose you and everyone else can afford to take. ive also taken zinc and vitamin e, but the magic happened when i started taking taurine. ive read abtracts where dosages of 6g of taurine was given. since i dont believe in restricting fact intake, i reasons that i need taurine more than others might. no side-effects at 6g a day for me (2g three times a day) except hunger which i attribute to either taurine's insulin-like nature or to the fact that my liver may have been cleared through fat emulsion resulting in increased pancreatic function. the cool thing about this stuff is that it has to do with delivering electrolytes throughout the body through improving the sodium potassium pump system (a system that takes up 7% to 40% of our atp) as this is incredibly important to all our vital systems. its also interesting that alot of our brain is made of taurine. strangely, human breastmilk has this as its second most abundant amino. anyway, anything that works with insulin is going to be anabolic, as insulin is the most anabolic hormone out there. i noticed improvements in the way my eyes where working in two days of the 6g dose

 

[thescience]

well anyway, im now using 12g a day of it without any side effects. my old man read on wikipedia i think that people could tolerate what would typically come up to like 160 grams a day without side effects. i cant imagine that. i will say this though; i had been taking arginine without interruption for a few years and eventually came into overdose territory that involved a weakness and slight shakiness only while on it. ive got this theory that perhaps all the resulting hypertrophy that was causing created a need for taurine that i wasnt meeting without supplementation. ive noticed energy drinks add the stuff in high doses and i believe this could be to stop jitters otherwise caused by their products.