Best Focus Agents?

[allstar]

Hey, I'm looking to get together some bulk materials and make my own little focus blend, maybe with a little energy enhancer in it also. I know Ultima is great for focus but I would like to make my own. What would you guys recommend for a few ingredients to attain the best focus?

 

[ecosocialist]

Mucuna Pruriens, Tyrosine, PEA, Caffeine, Ginko, B Vitamins.

There are plenty others, those are just a few off the top of my head =].

 

[allstar]

Thanks for the suggestions, right now I'm trying to stay away from caffeine, because of the vasoconstricting effects.

 

[ecosocialist]

In that case, maybe arginine mixed with EPO supporting vitamins/minerals. Almost anything that would increase blood flow to the brain should help

 

[allstar]

Just saw your thread about the two, yeah arginine could help.

 

[getsum27]

allstar I am looking for the same exact thing right now......let's keep each other posted on things. I am looking at picamilon, l-tyrosine, rhodolia rosea, piracetam, tyramine, yerba mate, thiamine, and vincopetine, and dlpa someone wrote about but i don't know anything about that.

 

[Chefdeez]

SNS Focus XT is a solid choice. It contains Tyrosine, Choline, ALCAR, and a few other agents to increase focus and alertness. It also has 200 mgs of caffeine per scoop.

 

[ecosocialist]

Oh ya, acetlycholine, B vitamins, and DHA would improve brain health which may lead to better focus. Not sure but its worth a try =].

 

[purebred]

based on steve-o's log Ultima may prove to be quite useful in your situations getsum and allstar!

 

[Outside Backer]

focus xt is full of win. the blue raspberry is on freakin point

 

[Chefdeez]

focus xt is full of win. the blue raspberry is on freakin point

Nice, the Pink Lemonade is the best tasting supp Ive ever tried.

 

[babywifey]

methylhexamine, aka Geranium!

 

[matthias7]

Mucuna Pruriens, Tyrosine, PEA, Caffeine, Ginko, B Vitamins.

There are plenty others, those are just a few off the top of my head =].

Oooo Mucuna Pruriens is a potentially very interesting herb. Bit dangerous if you got it right.

As for the rest ... caffeine is the best of this bunch mentioned here but the resistance / de-sensatization is very high.

Tyrosine - if it did work it would long term.

PEA wouldn't work without complimentation (I ain't going to say what you'd need to compliment it with) - the liver would simple chew it up. Thats old hat.

Vitamins - like yeah There's loads of them! Then there's the vitamin / drug combination molecules (joining a vitamin to stuff that gets across the brain barrier).

Ginko isn't bad actually. Appears to be a desensatization with it.

Its a good question.

 

[ecosocialist]

Dopa-tech from prosource, with the mucuna pruriens = No refractory period =]

 

[matthias7]

In that case, maybe arginine mixed with EPO supporting vitamins/minerals. Almost anything that would increase blood flow to the brain should help

Arginine - hmm.... I don't think so.

EPO - err... well yes. Surely this is illegal? It'd sure work though but its not instant effect - you're increase rbc concerntration.

EPO with arginine .... you seem to be implying this is needed for rbc production.

EPO is a good point for discussion - dangerous stuff.

 

[matthias7]

methylhexamine, aka Geranium!

Any extra info would be great. It seems to be some sort of psychostimulant.

Extra info please?

 

[matthias7]

focus xt is full of win. the blue raspberry is on freakin point

Okay thanks but whats in it?

If its a caffeine / ginko blend its easy to make. The guy wants to make his own and its not a bad idea. Given the shear amount of nootropic stuff available in the US again - not a bad idea.

 

[matthias7]

SNS Focus XT is a solid choice. It contains Tyrosine, Choline, ALCAR, and a few other agents to increase focus and alertness. It also has 200 mgs of caffeine per scoop.

Okay thanks good post. It'll sort of work. Its not magic though. The few other agents would be interesting to know.

Oh wait... 200mg caffeine per scoop. That'll make you jump at first. Two scoops of that stuff you'll be up all night.

 

[matthias7]

Oh ya, acetlycholine, B vitamins, and DHA would improve brain health which may lead to better focus. Not sure but its worth a try =].

Yeah okay - its sort of minor. Its not really hard core it depends on the quantities. DHA.... now that depends on whether you mean DMAE or DHEA - very different indeed. From the context it looks like DMAE - yeah okay its okay.

 

[matthias7]

allstar I am looking for the same exact thing right now......let's keep each other posted on things. I am looking at picamilon, l-tyrosine, rhodolia rosea, piracetam, tyramine, yerba mate, thiamine, and vincopetine, and dlpa someone wrote about but i don't know anything about that.

Okay this is a good post. Yerba mate I'd leave out. Holly type stuff tradition South American drink. Tyramine is very interesting - would it work? I am not sure. I dunno what dlpa is. Rhodolia - neah leave that one out - it could work.

The other okay yes this is basically solid nootropic.

Never hear of dlpa. ... okay sorry phenylalanine. It depends.

 

[matthias7]

Dopa-tech from prosource, with the mucuna pruriens = No refractory period =]

Yes this interesting. L-dopa ... yep but it depends what else your stacking with. Nice to know the other ingredients.

 

[billybob12345]

focus xt is full of win. the blue raspberry is on freakin point

Have you tried the pink lemonade? It's even better tasting.

 

[AK32408]

A combo of geranium and slubutamine have been top notch for anything to do with focus for me..

IBE's X-Force and Core ZAP are two products that I would highly recommend ! :thumbsup:

 

[matthias7]

A combo of geranium and slubutamine have been top notch for anything to do with focus for me..

IBE's X-Force and Core ZAP are two products that I would highly recommend ! :thumbsup:

Wow! Is sulbutamine classed as a supplement in the US? In the UK this is a drug.

Yeah sulbutamine would sure work. Like zooooomm.

 

[matthias7]

I am astonished..... this is Core Zap....

Amount Per 4 Capsules % Daily Value*
Epimedium (Lcariin 50%) 250mg †
Geranium (1,3-Dimethylpentylamine) 40mg †
Sulbutiamine 500mg †
L-Tyrosine 1000mg †
Caffeine 200mg

Active Ingredients: X-Force Proprietary Matrix:
Caffeine
Methylhexaneamine (1, 3-dimethylpentylamine)
Sulbutiamine

I honestly don't know how you guys get away with this. Sulbutiamine is a prescription drug but like US its a common-garden supplement.

There is no question to the poster .. there's your answer. If you throw the other nootropics in the mix that stack will get you focused till next year. Wish they'd cut the caffeine out - you need it, its addictive and you build massive desens to it. Plus its a lot of caffeine and will limit the amount you can take per day.

 

[matthias7]

Actually the tyrosine is limiting as well. 1g thats alot of tyrosine per day.

 

[AK32408]

Actually the tyrosine is limiting as well. 1g thats alot of tyrosine per day.

The tyrosine in ZAP adds to the focus/stim feeling. The blend is simple but AMAZING to say the least.. all of those ingredients work together beautifully at those doses.

 

[ecosocialist]

I was referring to DHA, in that supporting long term brain health may further aid concentration. Its also has a well documented history of helping with ADHD. Might not be the instant effect that you are looking for, but in the long run it MAY pay off.

 

[natas9]

Wow! Is sulbutamine classed as a supplement in the US? In the UK this is a drug.

Yeah sulbutamine would sure work. Like zooooomm.

Man. A drug? That's a crime against humanity. Sulbutiamine is a good friend of mine. :fool2:

 

[suncloud]

for me, nothing beats the focus of a guy standing behind me with a club.

i'm not site sourcing, go find your own.

 

[Chefdeez]

Okay thanks good post. It'll sort of work. Its not magic though. The few other agents would be interesting to know.

Oh wait... 200mg caffeine per scoop. That'll make you jump at first. Two scoops of that stuff you'll be up all night.

I completely disagree with your statement: "It'll sort of work." Have you tried it before? We've had nothing but great feedback on this product. Second, no one is saying to take 2 scoops, the serving is 1 scoop.

 

[matthias7]

I was referring to DHA, in that supporting long term brain health may further aid concentration. Its also has a well documented history of helping with ADHD. Might not be the instant effect that you are looking for, but in the long run it MAY pay off.

Okay apologies. I dunno sunflower, sessame, pumpkin and linseed seeds ground and mixed 1:1:1:3 is supposed to be a balance of omega fatty acids. Thats I do anyway. I thought about fish oil over the top but wasn't sure if the omega balance got skewed.

I'll check out the ADHD studies on it. Lots of things shift attention span though, e.g. carnitine and zinc.

A big advantage of the US bodybuilding market is that you guys get stuff cheap. Pharmaceutical grade is around 5 -10 times more expensive making a big stack a bit really pricy.

 

[matthias7]

I completely disagree with your statement: "It'll sort of work." Have you tried it before? We've had nothing but great feedback on this product. Second, no one is saying to take 2 scoops, the serving is 1 scoop.

Yes.

I have tried all three, tyrosine, Choline, ALCAR.

Personally I am not keen on big doses of caffeine but 200mg per day is okay.

If the stack is simply tyrosine, Choline, ALCAR then to me its not impressive.

Tyrosine is interesting is not been absolutely nailed though. The idea is that its a precursor to dopamine and there is some medical evidence (Parkinson's) supporting it. Long term it could work - I didn't have the patience to stick with it. It could of course combine with some of the other stacks we've mentioned here.

Choline and ALCAR - they may work long term I don't notice any immediate impact personally. There could be other stuff in the mix, but whilst I use choline and inosital and to some extent ALCAR it'll not be long term unless I notice a real change when I stop taking them - I'll give it a few months more.

 

[Chefdeez]

Focus XT Blend: 9800 mg
Choline Bitartrate
L-Tyrosine
Acetyl-L-Carnitine
DMAE (Dimethylaminoethanol Bitartrate)
Vinpocetine
Huperzine A
Caffeine Anhydrous - 200 mg

 

[matthias7]

Okay thanks. I've got Huperzine A on order so I don't know how it will perform. DMAE is good.

Okay Vinpocetine - thats Intelectol. Yeah that is the best ingredient in there. You can't get this over the counter in the UK. Its a nootrophic agent. It is not considered an amazing nootrophic agent, but it is strong stuff and can a range side effects. So that stack kicks its Intelectol thats causing the kicking. For a nootrophic agent there are too many side-effects in it for my liking. What the long term effects are nobody knows. Anyway I've not tried this and I don't really want to.

A big question about that stack is how much Intelectol is in there. The other stacks e.g. Core Zap keep their "heavy stuff" just below the daily recommended dose for one serving. If Focus is the same it may be okay for some but it'll cause headaches, nausea, insominia, drowsiness that sort of thing in others. If there isn't much in there then say Core Zap is better. So Intelectol is your cup of tea this is your focus. It seems to mess around with dopamine, I dunno.

Personally I like IBEs Core Zap stack. I haven't tried that stack because in the UK I just can't get some of the ingredients over the counter, but that gives you some idea of how powerful that stuff should be.

 

[ecosocialist]

Okay apologies. I dunno sunflower, sessame, pumpkin and linseed seeds ground and mixed 1:1:1:3 is supposed to be a balance of omega fatty acids. Thats I do anyway. I thought about fish oil over the top but wasn't sure if the omega balance got skewed.

I'll check out the ADHD studies on it. Lots of things shift attention span though, e.g. carnitine and zinc.

A big advantage of the US bodybuilding market is that you guys get stuff cheap. Pharmaceutical grade is around 5 -10 times more expensive making a big stack a bit really pricy.

Sorry, it didnt mean for that to sound snappy =].

I guess a good way to look at it is to break categories down into what can biologically affect focus.

Bloodflow
Blood Sugar
Brain chemical balance
Fatigue
Brain nutrition - ?
Stress
And im sure a multitude of others.

 

[matthias7]

Okay so just to review this thread then so far.

1. The pre-mixes are best bet for your staple focus stack. There's good stuff in there and they are CHEAP. If you buy this stuff at pharmaceutical grade its very expensive. This is a big advantage of the US bodybuilding market - its competitive so its cheap. Check the active ingredients - some are really potent Intellectol carries lots of side effects.
2. Don't take more than the recommended dose. Most carry 200mg caffeine thats okay but when your hitting 500mgs caffeine per day start getting worried.
3. These are very different from each other. Buying across a range of pre-made stacks is a good move and trying each out.
4. With a basic stack you can then overlay that with your ingredients of choice. I like DMAE because its harmless in excess (0.5 - 1g). On of the earlier threads mentioned some run of the mill nootropics
5. Pure nootropics work in combination using a cholingenic compounds to get the best results.

I don't use these stacks to bodybuild I'm using them to squeeze every second out to the day. What I'm doing is a bit different, I'm a university academic and 'ride the research front wave'. I need to focus for 12 hours solid per day. I do it like a bodybuilder does nutrition and alot of the stuff used e.g. creatine is useful. Caffeine spikes are bad news for me in the long run - so a pre-made stack would need to be broken up.

I'd like to know what is in "Pink Lemonde".