Anxiety and Depression Supplements
- 05-07-2009, 10:55 AM
- 05-07-2009, 12:36 PM
L-Theanine promotes relaxation and may up your mood a bit. A not-so-natural choice is Phenibut. I've had great success with eliminating anxiety and boosting my mood considerably with Phenibut.
- 05-07-2009, 12:41 PM
i hear ya bro...im on a low dose of zoloft and klonopin and it seems to be helping...much respect for trying the natural route first...im sure its much healthier in the long run...best of luck to ya man
05-07-2009, 12:49 PM
L-theanine is good stuff, look into bacopa monnieri, rhidiola rosea, ashwagandha, and holy basil.
doing my own thang!
05-07-2009, 04:19 PM
phenibut, Axcite seems to help... Those are the best legal ones
05-07-2009, 06:00 PM
just be careful with the herbal supps for those disorders. you can very easily take something that will make you far worse. go to a reputable psych and you can discuss natural products with them. self diagnosing is dangerous. good luck
05-07-2009, 06:05 PM
I have been there done that, bought the t-shirt.. No fun at all..THis is what I would suggest first Ok:
1. Add "happy" foods to your diet such as almonds, kelp, sesame seeds, tofu.
**NOTE: The estrogen content of tofu is void and null if the tofu is fermented, so look at buying Tempeh. Go to a Japanese or Asian market for this.
2. Grab some 5-HTP & SAM-E. Start with 50mg's of 5-HTP before bed, and take SAM-E first thing in the morning.
3. If and when you experience anxiety remember it is only temporary, and it will pass.
4. Try and reconnect to what you use to like doing i.e. if you liked building model cars, go to the hobby store and do that. The idea is to reward yourself cause you do deserve it.
5. Exercise and get plenty of fresh air... Not enough can be said about that.
6. Make changes that are high stress markers i.e. If you feel like puking every time you walk into your current job, its time to look elsewhere, and remember its always easier to look for a job while you have one .
7. Read at night, not only is this a good distraction, it exercises your eyes and you will get sleepy. I would suggest reading the Bible for some spiritual strength.. Lots of examples of people pulling through some rough times. Just breathe in and out and relax...
Don't forget you are not alone.. Its a rough battle and look at the good qualities you have and focus on that, we all have bad ones, but the good ones is what makes us all unique.
When I face a bad situation whether in real life or the anxiety gets so big in my mind, I just say "Let the storm pass through you". You will remain standing, and come out on top.. I can say lots on this topic as I have had to battle a marriage that fell apart, I survived the hit with no family while I was in another country, and did alot of praying. I was never alone.
Don't hesitate to ask..
05-07-2009, 06:19 PM
self talk helps...holybasil,high energy and test seem to work also...zma and gaba help me sleep
05-07-2009, 06:34 PM
I'm going to offer some good advice:
Use L-Tyrosine and PEA. I'm not sure about the long term effects, but it sure makes me feel good! Euphoria central baby...
Here's some useful info:
Your mood can be manipulated by neurotransmitters like epinephrine, norepinephrine, seratonin, and dopamine. Your body naturally has MAOs, which degrade neurotransmitters and decrease their activity. Doctors prescribe MAO Inhibitor medicine for depression, but there are natural MAOIs. Tyrosine can ferment in the gut, producing Tyramine. Tyramine is a strong MAOI. You can take an L-Tyrosine supplement, or eat aged cheeses. Cheese syndrome was found when someone was using MAOI medicine and eating aged cheeses together. This inhibited MAO activity to the point of a headache and can actually be quite dangerous. The good news: You can use L-Tyrosine (which can ferment in the gut and produce Tyramine), or aged cheeses (because the aged cheeses are rich in Tyramine due to fermentation of naturally occurring L-Tyrosine) to boost your mood and neurotransmitter activity. You can find other natural MAOIs and certain precursors to further boost your mood. I like to add a little 5HTP (Seratonin precursor) to my stack, I'm not sure how well it works though. My favorite pair are L-Tyrosine and PEA.
05-07-2009, 06:38 PM
Good info Delita420!
Whats your dosage like for L-Tyrosine and PEA? How long do the effects last?
05-07-2009, 06:41 PM
All the posts so far are great suggestions, especially the l-theanine, 5-htp, and SamE. If i could add a suggestion i would also say St. John's Wort. St. John's Wart is a great natural herb for Depression. It has the similar efficiency as some of the antidepressants. I would highly recommend trying it. You can get it at most supplement stores.
05-07-2009, 06:47 PM
Another natural MAOI to look into is yohimbine.
05-07-2009, 06:49 PM
By all means do find a good Psychologist, someone who specializes in CBT (Cognitive Behavioral Therapy). They can provide you more tools and be able to work with you through your situation. My previous therapist was all about going natural.. I was given a Rx for Effexor and after reading the side effects I decided to not go that route.
One size does not fit all when it comes to antidepressants, different parts of the brain may be affected so for example effexor might work the frontal lobes when the target is suppose to be the rear.. Just using that as an analogy as to how prescription meds target certain parts of the brain.
My wakey wakey morning happy stack consists of 750 Mg's of aniracetam, 2.8 grams of Piracetam, Orange juice, and a healthy walk to work.. I come in kicking a$$ and taking names
My anxiety is knocked out, plus I do lots of training during the week.. You're gonna beat this one my friend!
05-07-2009, 06:54 PM
Doctors tried to prescribe me some anti-depressants, that **** made me go whacko lol! I'd pass them out to my friends and everyone would get cheese syndrome (I'm assuming we didn't need the medication), including me! I found the best cure is exercising 3-5 times per week, and eating a balanced diet. Note: My condition is anxiety, not depression. Umm, but the doctors know what they are doing... Right?
05-07-2009, 07:11 PM
i think paxil has caused my test levels to be low..and i havent taken paxil for over 2 yrs
05-07-2009, 07:13 PM
anxiety is fear....find out what your fear is and you should be able to get ahold and control your anxiety..
05-07-2009, 07:13 PM
Phenylethylamine has been shown at least indirectly to satisfy the four main criteria required to demonstrate that a neuroamine sustains mood and that its deficit can be responsible for depression. Antidepressant drug therapy is an indirect (pharmacological) "replacement" of brain phenylethylamine.
Infusion of phenylethylamine increases extracellular levels of dopamine while at the same time inhibiting DA neuron firings. It also modulates noradrenergic transmission. Phenylethylamine, along with tyramine, reversibly depresses the slow GABAB receptor inhibitory post-synaptic potential in midbrain dopaminergic cells.
Low levels are found in those suffering from attention deficit disorder and often in depression, while levels are elevated in schizophrenia. This is associated with low dopamine in ADHD and depression and high dopamine in schizophrenia.
05-07-2009, 07:21 PM
05-07-2009, 07:22 PM
my gf has adhd and her dad has schizophrenia. interesting
05-07-2009, 07:23 PM
05-07-2009, 08:03 PM
Ive tried Paxil, Zoloft, and another I forget the name of. Zoloft helped the most, but all screw with your libido and really only numb things to an extent. This could be helpful I suppose for short periods of time when the anxiety/depression one experiences seems unbearable at the time.
I like most of the adaptagen herbs, Rhodiola and Shizandra especially. Careful with stim use, quite a few out there can make things worse for people like us. A couple unexpected natural tools Ive found are Sustain Alpha from PP and Supersap from USP , I get more at ease and talkative using these, but I assume this helps hormone balance for me which very well might not be an issue for others and their anxiety/depression. But needless to say an unbalanced hormone profile can only makes things worse.Good luck.
05-07-2009, 08:34 PM
05-07-2009, 08:44 PM
right now i take klonopin 0.5mg in the moring and again at 3pm 0.5.. that really helps the social anxiety...i also have low test levels. im below 200 i have tried everything natural and nothing works
05-07-2009, 08:45 PM
05-07-2009, 08:46 PM
women respond better to paxil,lexapro,etc...docs told me not to take klonopin cuz ill be hooked... i have stopped it many times and had no probs. its one of the better meds for men..
05-07-2009, 08:48 PM
05-07-2009, 08:49 PM
05-07-2009, 08:51 PM
05-07-2009, 08:52 PM
i took paxil from when i was 19yrs to 27yrs it was a b1tch to quit..
05-07-2009, 08:59 PM
Try the nettle extract Divanil or Divanex. Other herbs to try are longjack 100:1 and the horny goat weed extract Icariin 50%. I notice them working at age 24, so I'm sure you'll notice something too.
You could also try an AI (aromatase inhibitor). This would be much safer than HRT if it works. Research AI if you are interested. There are a few you can purchase legally. I like 6-bromo, found in Hyperdrol X2. The other AI you can try is Formestane in a topical cream.
05-07-2009, 09:17 PM
05-07-2009, 09:32 PM
05-07-2009, 09:37 PM
05-07-2009, 10:20 PM
Longjack 100:1 potency is pretty strong. It will increase LH and also lower SHBG. Icariin 50% will help you get strong erections often. It works through the same pathway as viagra. The nettle extract needs to be the 95% strength, it lowers SHBG and blocks DHT from the prostate.
Herbal is the way to go, it won't lower your natural test production. Tell your doctor you want to try some new herbal extracts, and have the dr setup routine blood drawings while you use them. You'll be able to determine how well they are working this way. Also, I'm sure you'll feel better with the herbs than without. A good stack is Stoked and Mass FX. You can take Acetyl L-Carnitine to increase test activity, I'm not sure how well it works... I haven't experimented with it but everyone loves it. If your estrogen levels go up while using these herbs (You'll see it on the blood tests) then you may be aromatizing your test. At that point you could try an AI. Total and free test are important to look at, if the divanil (nettle extract) is working you'll see the free test go up. Even with low test levels, the icariin will help with erections.
What do you think?
05-08-2009, 08:01 AM
thanks for the info...ill try your advice
05-08-2009, 09:49 AM
I had a bad run with some clenbuterol and thought my heart was gona explode and for the last month and a half i have had severe anxiety everyday. im fine as long as im doing something but when im not i think im going to have a heart attack and die. the doctor has me taking 30mg of buspirone but it doesnt really help. basically just makes me dizzy and tired as ****.
05-09-2009, 07:21 AM
L-Theanine make you "sleepy/lethargic/malaised" at all?
05-09-2009, 01:24 PM
05-09-2009, 03:25 PM
Complementary and alternative medicine in the treatment of anxiety and depression.
van der Watt G, Laugharne J, Janca A.
Curr Opin Psychiatry. 2008 Jan;21(1):37-42.
School of Psychiatry and Clinical Neurosciences, University of Western Australia, Perth, Australia.
PURPOSE OF REVIEW: There is well documented evidence for the increasing widespread use of complementary and alternative medicine in the treatment of physical and psychiatric symptoms and disorders within Western populations. Here we provide a review of the recent literature on evidence for using such interventions in the treatment of anxiety and depression. RECENT FINDINGS: With regard to herbal treatments, kava is effective in reducing anxiety symptoms and St John's wort in treating mild to moderate depression. The association of kava with hepatotoxicity, however, is a significant concern. Promising data continue to emerge for the use of omega-3 fatty acids in managing depression. Evidence for the use of acupuncture in treating anxiety disorders is becoming stronger, although there is currently minimal empirical evidence for the use of aromatherapy or mindfulness-based meditation. SUMMARY: The evidence base for the efficacy of the majority of complementary and alternative interventions used to treat anxiety and depression remains poor. Recent systematic reviews all point to a significant lack of methodologically rigorous studies within the field. This lack of evidence does not diminish the popularity of such interventions within the general Western population.
J Psychopharmacol. 2005 Jan;19(1):59-65.
Treatment of depression: time to consider folic acid and vitamin B12.
Coppen A, Bolander-Gouaille C.
MRC Neuropsychiatric Research Laboratory, Epsom, Surrey, UK.
We review the findings in major depression of a low plasma and particularly red cell folate, but also of low vitamin B12 status. Both low folate and low vitamin B12 status have been found in studies of depressive patients, and an association between depression and low levels of the two vitamins is found in studies of the general population. Low plasma or serum folate has also been found in patients with recurrent mood disorders treated by lithium. A link between depression and low folate has similarly been found in patients with alcoholism. It is interesting to note that Hong Kong and Taiwan populations with traditional Chinese diets (rich in folate), including patients with major depression, have high serum folate concentrations. However, these countries have very low life time rates of major depression. Low folate levels are furthermore linked to a poor response to antidepressants, and treatment with folic acid is shown to improve response to antidepressants. A recent study also suggests that high vitamin B12 status may be associated with better treatment outcome. Folate and vitamin B12 are major determinants of one-carbon metabolism, in which S-adenosylmethionine (SAM) is formed. SAM donates methyl groups that are crucial for neurological function. Increased plasma homocysteine is a functional marker of both folate and vitamin B12 deficiency. Increased homocysteine levels are found in depressive patients. In a large population study from Norway increased plasma homocysteine was associated with increased risk of depression but not anxiety. There is now substantial evidence of a common decrease in serum/red blood cell folate, serum vitamin B12 and an increase in plasma homocysteine in depression. Furthermore, the MTHFR C677T polymorphism that impairs the homocysteine metabolism is shown to be overrepresented among depressive patients, which strengthens the association. On the basis of current data, we suggest that oral doses of both folic acid (800 microg daily) and vitamin B12 (1 mg daily) should be tried to improve treatment outcome in depression.
Curr Psychiatry Rep. 2003 Dec;5(6):460-6.
S-adenosyl-methionine in depression: a comprehensive review of the literature.
Papakostas GI, Alpert JE, Fava M.
Depression Clinical and Research Program, Massachusetts General Hospital, 15 Parkman Street, WACC 812, Boston, MA 02114, USA.
As many as 29% to 46% of patients with major depressive disorder (MDD) show only partial or no response to an adequate course of an antidepressant. The current practice is to increase the dose, switch to another antidepressant, or to combine the initial antidepressant with an antidepressant of a different class or a non-antidepressant agent. A growing number of studies have also been directed toward exploring the potential use of augmenting traditional antidepressants with nonpharmaceutic supplements, or even using such supplements as monotherapy for depression. S-adenosyl-methionine (SAMe) is one such compound. Compared with many other nonpharmaceutic supplements, SAMe has been extensively studied, and impressive literature extending back three decades suggests the antidepressant efficacy of SAMe. In the present work, the authors summarize the literature, focusing on the potential role of SAMe and its precursors in the pathophysiology of MDD, followed by a review of studies examining the use of SAMe for the treatment of MDD. Finally, the authors propose a model that would explain the actions of SAMe in the central nervous system.
05-12-2009, 08:01 AM
Try Lexapro. The only side I notice is it takes me a while to achive ultimate pleasure. The wife doesn't mind. There are no other sides I experience and the blood work I get back is completly normal. Since I've been on Lexapro (9 years) I haven't had one panic attack. Instead of trying to constantly distract yourself from having an attack, and just plain out worrying about having an attack all the time, just take the Lexapro and life will be normal again. It's worked for me. Just my 2 cents.
BTW, I take tons of supplements and even a cycle of Epi with no interactions. The doc said only thing that you should not take is another
anti-D or Alcohol. I drink once in a while and still no effects though.
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