Anxiety and Depression Supplements

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by Delita420 View Post
    Hormone replacement therapy does not fix anything, but it will replace what you are lacking. HRT is usually a one way trip, and will lower your natural test production further. I'd save it for the last resort.

    Try the nettle extract Divanil or Divanex. Other herbs to try are longjack 100:1 and the horny goat weed extract Icariin 50%. I notice them working at age 24, so I'm sure you'll notice something too.

    You could also try an AI (aromatase inhibitor). This would be much safer than HRT if it works. Research AI if you are interested. There are a few you can purchase legally. I like 6-bromo, found in Hyperdrol X2. The other AI you can try is Formestane in a topical cream.
    yeah i dont wanna do HRT if i dont have to..ppl in columbus do the bioidentical thing cost alot


  2. Quote Originally Posted by ohiostate2827 View Post
    yeah i dont wanna do HRT if i dont have to..ppl in columbus do the bioidentical thing cost alot
    My parents do the HRT bio-identical thing... They won't be able to afford it when they retire. What's worse is that they are being treated for being old. It's natural for people there age to have hormonal changes. Who knows what will happen to them when they have to discontinue therapy. It's marketed around here as a way to maintain your youth and slow the aging process. Might work, as long as you can take it the rest of your life. The doctors don't even know what they are doing though. Took about 3 months for them to figure out the correct dosages and hormones. Jacked my step-fathers test up to 800+ and he got all red faced and puffy.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by Delita420 View Post
    My parents do the HRT bio-identical thing... They won't be able to afford it when they retire. What's worse is that they are being treated for being old. It's natural for people there age to have hormonal changes. Who knows what will happen to them when they have to discontinue therapy. It's marketed around here as a way to maintain your youth and slow the aging process. Might work, as long as you can take it the rest of your life. The doctors don't even know what they are doing though. Took about 3 months for them to figure out the correct dosages and hormones. Jacked my step-fathers test up to 800+ and he got all red faced and puffy.
    i have taken blue up,t-911,TNT stack,nettle by now foods,and a few others..seemed to boost the libido for awhile and alittle strength,but once i stopped everything came back.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by ohiostate2827 View Post
    i have taken blue up,t-911,TNT stack,nettle by now foods,and a few others..seemed to boost the libido for awhile and alittle strength,but once i stopped everything came back.
    It may not continue working after you stop taking it, but it won't have any negative long term effects like HRT. You are using general herbal extracts. You need to use ones that are extracted for more of the active constituents. For instance, NOW offers good extracts... Like 10% Icariin, but you cant get 50% Icariin. Which is much stronger. The nettle is weak on its own, but you can get a 95% pure version of this, and you will notice it working much better. The key is to find the strongest extracts, and never purchase an herbal product that doesn't list how strong the extract is... I'm not saying it won't work to use normal extracts, but you will be very pleased with the strongest extracts.

    Longjack 100:1 potency is pretty strong. It will increase LH and also lower SHBG. Icariin 50% will help you get strong erections often. It works through the same pathway as viagra. The nettle extract needs to be the 95% strength, it lowers SHBG and blocks DHT from the prostate.

    Herbal is the way to go, it won't lower your natural test production. Tell your doctor you want to try some new herbal extracts, and have the dr setup routine blood drawings while you use them. You'll be able to determine how well they are working this way. Also, I'm sure you'll feel better with the herbs than without. A good stack is Stoked and Mass FX. You can take Acetyl L-Carnitine to increase test activity, I'm not sure how well it works... I haven't experimented with it but everyone loves it. If your estrogen levels go up while using these herbs (You'll see it on the blood tests) then you may be aromatizing your test. At that point you could try an AI. Total and free test are important to look at, if the divanil (nettle extract) is working you'll see the free test go up. Even with low test levels, the icariin will help with erections.

    What do you think?

  5. thanks for the info...ill try your advice
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  6. I had a bad run with some clenbuterol and thought my heart was gona explode and for the last month and a half i have had severe anxiety everyday. im fine as long as im doing something but when im not i think im going to have a heart attack and die. the doctor has me taking 30mg of buspirone but it doesnt really help. basically just makes me dizzy and tired as ****.

  7. L-Theanine make you "sleepy/lethargic/malaised" at all?

  8. Quote Originally Posted by Whacked View Post
    L-Theanine make you "sleepy/lethargic/malaised" at all?
    Yes.

  9. Complementary and alternative medicine in the treatment of anxiety and depression.
    van der Watt G, Laugharne J, Janca A.
    Curr Opin Psychiatry. 2008 Jan;21(1):37-42.

    School of Psychiatry and Clinical Neurosciences, University of Western Australia, Perth, Australia.

    PURPOSE OF REVIEW: There is well documented evidence for the increasing widespread use of complementary and alternative medicine in the treatment of physical and psychiatric symptoms and disorders within Western populations. Here we provide a review of the recent literature on evidence for using such interventions in the treatment of anxiety and depression. RECENT FINDINGS: With regard to herbal treatments, kava is effective in reducing anxiety symptoms and St John's wort in treating mild to moderate depression. The association of kava with hepatotoxicity, however, is a significant concern. Promising data continue to emerge for the use of omega-3 fatty acids in managing depression. Evidence for the use of acupuncture in treating anxiety disorders is becoming stronger, although there is currently minimal empirical evidence for the use of aromatherapy or mindfulness-based meditation. SUMMARY: The evidence base for the efficacy of the majority of complementary and alternative interventions used to treat anxiety and depression remains poor. Recent systematic reviews all point to a significant lack of methodologically rigorous studies within the field. This lack of evidence does not diminish the popularity of such interventions within the general Western population.

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    J Psychopharmacol. 2005 Jan;19(1):59-65.

    Treatment of depression: time to consider folic acid and vitamin B12.
    Coppen A, Bolander-Gouaille C.

    MRC Neuropsychiatric Research Laboratory, Epsom, Surrey, UK.

    We review the findings in major depression of a low plasma and particularly red cell folate, but also of low vitamin B12 status. Both low folate and low vitamin B12 status have been found in studies of depressive patients, and an association between depression and low levels of the two vitamins is found in studies of the general population. Low plasma or serum folate has also been found in patients with recurrent mood disorders treated by lithium. A link between depression and low folate has similarly been found in patients with alcoholism. It is interesting to note that Hong Kong and Taiwan populations with traditional Chinese diets (rich in folate), including patients with major depression, have high serum folate concentrations. However, these countries have very low life time rates of major depression. Low folate levels are furthermore linked to a poor response to antidepressants, and treatment with folic acid is shown to improve response to antidepressants. A recent study also suggests that high vitamin B12 status may be associated with better treatment outcome. Folate and vitamin B12 are major determinants of one-carbon metabolism, in which S-adenosylmethionine (SAM) is formed. SAM donates methyl groups that are crucial for neurological function. Increased plasma homocysteine is a functional marker of both folate and vitamin B12 deficiency. Increased homocysteine levels are found in depressive patients. In a large population study from Norway increased plasma homocysteine was associated with increased risk of depression but not anxiety. There is now substantial evidence of a common decrease in serum/red blood cell folate, serum vitamin B12 and an increase in plasma homocysteine in depression. Furthermore, the MTHFR C677T polymorphism that impairs the homocysteine metabolism is shown to be overrepresented among depressive patients, which strengthens the association. On the basis of current data, we suggest that oral doses of both folic acid (800 microg daily) and vitamin B12 (1 mg daily) should be tried to improve treatment outcome in depression.

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    Curr Psychiatry Rep. 2003 Dec;5(6):460-6.
    S-adenosyl-methionine in depression: a comprehensive review of the literature.
    Papakostas GI, Alpert JE, Fava M.

    Depression Clinical and Research Program, Massachusetts General Hospital, 15 Parkman Street, WACC 812, Boston, MA 02114, USA.

    As many as 29% to 46% of patients with major depressive disorder (MDD) show only partial or no response to an adequate course of an antidepressant. The current practice is to increase the dose, switch to another antidepressant, or to combine the initial antidepressant with an antidepressant of a different class or a non-antidepressant agent. A growing number of studies have also been directed toward exploring the potential use of augmenting traditional antidepressants with nonpharmaceutic supplements, or even using such supplements as monotherapy for depression. S-adenosyl-methionine (SAMe) is one such compound. Compared with many other nonpharmaceutic supplements, SAMe has been extensively studied, and impressive literature extending back three decades suggests the antidepressant efficacy of SAMe. In the present work, the authors summarize the literature, focusing on the potential role of SAMe and its precursors in the pathophysiology of MDD, followed by a review of studies examining the use of SAMe for the treatment of MDD. Finally, the authors propose a model that would explain the actions of SAMe in the central nervous system.

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  10. Talking


    Try Lexapro. The only side I notice is it takes me a while to achive ultimate pleasure. The wife doesn't mind. There are no other sides I experience and the blood work I get back is completly normal. Since I've been on Lexapro (9 years) I haven't had one panic attack. Instead of trying to constantly distract yourself from having an attack, and just plain out worrying about having an attack all the time, just take the Lexapro and life will be normal again. It's worked for me. Just my 2 cents.

    BTW, I take tons of supplements and even a cycle of Epi with no interactions. The doc said only thing that you should not take is another
    anti-D or Alcohol. I drink once in a while and still no effects though.

  11. Weight training is the best natural antidepressant.

    Add in some adaptogens, eat clean, lots of veggies and fruit, lots of protein.

    Get plenty of sleep.

    Masturbate only once every 14 days or so.

    The only antidepressant I would advise if you really think you need it, is Wellbutrin SR.. 150mg pills. Or if you feel like going the stimulant route, Dexedrine is basically happiness, in pill form. STAY AWAY FROM ANY SORT OF SSRI's including the new type like Lexapro and etc.

    As far as increasing test.. CLOMID 25mg ED for 2 months, with a low dose AI because it will bring your estradiol levels up too. The AI will further complement the clomid and add in some divanil too if you want, it's great stuff.

    You can also get Icariin and all that stuff, but clomid just WORKS...

  12. Quote Originally Posted by Ubiyca View Post
    STAY AWAY FROM ANY SORT OF SSRI's including the new type like Lexapro and etc.
    Can you explain this? Lexapro has helped reframe my entire mindset. It has stabilized a life long depressive tendency and removed repeated severe depression attacks. I don't get how you can say stay away without any kind of explanation.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by justreading View Post
    Can you explain this? Lexapro has helped reframe my entire mindset. It has stabilized a life long depressive tendency and removed repeated severe depression attacks. I don't get how you can say stay away without any kind of explanation.
    It's well known Lexapro withdrawal is extremely tough for many many people. Even when you try tappering down slowly.. most likely the withdrawal effects will haunt you. Dizziness, tingling sensation/electric shock sensation in your brain/face, headaches, concentration difficulties, sleep disturbance, etcetc are very common withdrawal symptoms. So let's sum it up... brain shivers, Insomnia, horrible vivid dreams, waves of nausea, headache, dry eyes, dizziness, zapping shock feeling in the brain/head and lips, sadness, feelings of unreality, etc.

    All in all.. not good.
    So in short, why is Lexapro bad? because the withdrawal is HELL.

    NOTE: Some people can quit and they're fine, but they are in the minority by far.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by Ubiyca View Post
    It's well known Lexapro withdrawal is extremely tough for many many people. Even when you try tappering down slowly.. most likely the withdrawal effects will haunt you. Dizziness, tingling sensation/electric shock sensation in your brain/face, headaches, concentration difficulties, sleep disturbance, etcetc are very common withdrawal symptoms. So let's sum it up... brain shivers, Insomnia, horrible vivid dreams, waves of nausea, headache, dry eyes, dizziness, zapping shock feeling in the brain/head and lips, sadness, feelings of unreality, etc.

    All in all.. not good.
    So in short, why is Lexapro bad? because the withdrawal is HELL.

    NOTE: Some people can quit and they're fine, but they are in the minority by far.
    Sounds like it has to do with seratonin.
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