Originally Posted by Aviad

Fat Loss is the number one goal here. I love that this supplement will seem to help with that and also contains some really important factors that effect longevity and such. I love r lipoic acid and this likes like the perfect supp to me.

That is kind of what I was thinking, thank you for the response. Here is my breakdown:
5' 10"
186
8% or 9%...really no visible fat. I am 32, when I was 32 i lost 45 lbs. Only about 10lbs or so to go before I am magazine cover ripped.

A few questions:
1. Why Mucana before bed - I am guessing for growth hormone (somatropin) release?

2. I currently only eat about 100-125 grams of carbs a day - should I keep the carbs low and use this supp...should I bump up the carbs a bit? I try to get by on as little carbs as possible...I only use them as I need them.

3. I play baskteball 3 times a week 1.5 hours, and wondering if this product if used before would cause to much of a hypoglycemic effect. It is like hiting a wall when you are playing ball and you feel that crash of blood sugar dropping...like you can't even walk. I am guessing at this point you are burning fat like crazy but I also can't perform. Your thoughts on this please?

4. My diet goes like this:

Breakfast - 35grams pro - glutamine - 25 grams of carbs only if working out...don't eat allot of carbs because my workouts are strong. Just started using Clenbutrx and the energy is the best I have ever had from a supplement since the original Venom Hyperdrive.

After a workout about the same breakdown...I don't eat that many carbs at all, should I bump up -I never loose strength and my body is good around 8 or 9 %. I have been cutting for about 2 weeks and I have been using R lipoic acid and increased protein a bit...strength has maintained and even gone up a bit.

The rest of the day is every 3 hours protein and fat until bed...totals:
260ish protein
100 carbs
40-50 grams of fat - egg yolks(2) - low fat cheese - almonds - omega 3's

5. Lets say I have a cheat meal that contains fat(Hamburger and fries). Can this supplement or r lipoic in general store fat - bad fat that is. I understand it is either carbs and protein - fat and protein - but never fat and carbs. I used Glucophase XR by designer supplements in the past - I would use it on cheat meals and such and I seemed to gain weight on it.

6. I like to walk allot - other than basketball I never do mindless cardio, elliptical or treadmill. It is either a basketball workout/or walking. I wake up and walk for about 45 minutes on an empty stomach and walk later in the evening after dinner for about the same amount. What are your thoughts on walking and fat loss...I know that steady state activity isn't the best for fat burning. I don't like to drive my body into the ground as basketball and weight training can do that. I understand that fat burning requires a certain amount of oxygen...your thoughts on walking.

7. Fav workout day is lifting - post workout meal - then an hour later go play ball for 1 - 1.5...how do I play this nutritionally and how can I maximize that scenario using this supplement?

I know this is allot but I have read the responses you have given and appreciate your insight. When I am not studying for school (Nutritionist) I am reading posts because they have some of the best information possible on diet/supplements/worko

I honestly prefer a detailed question, thanks.
1. Simple, BMOV, Na-R-ALA plus mucana creates R.E.M. sleep , aplifying your gh release, which is crucial for dopamine production, this results in better drive, self-motvation, better mood, better sex-drive and FAT LOSS with muscle gain.
2. Carbs are crucial no matter what anybody thinks, they are important for TESTOSTERONE production, 125g is fine, you may bump it up or down uif you choose to.
3. See people get the misconception that this is LITERALY insulin, that is not the case. It acts as inuslin but is a nutrient partritioner. I would dose 2 hours prior to basketball to avoid PAINFUL PUMPS.
4. Well, do not deplete your body of carrbs, they give your energy due to its conversion of glucons. Glycobol will dispose glucose, so feel free to eat carbs, Na-R-ALA will not allow fat to accumalte in the adipose through GLUT-4 expression translocation. Keep the protein intake high because it increases lipolysis and nitrogen retention which is crucial for fatloss and performance.
5. Na-R-ALA is 21 times more bio-available than just R-ALA, so with that being said, glycobol WILL do the trick. Dose 2 20-30 minutes prior to eating these types of meals. Althoguh if you are trying to loss fat, you should sway away from these types of meals for self discipline and to achieve your goals faster.
6. I personally prefer sprinting over any form of cardio, sprinting and walking burn the least amount of muscle, I have found from studies that walking REAL slow helps burn fat more effficently than jogging. Since your athletic, I would do 5 60 yds. sprints, plus walk.
7. I would take a whey isolate(preferably ATW or Isopure), then play basketball, then take 2 glycobol's 20-30 minutes prior to dinner.

Feel free to pm me as well,. much appreciated in your liking for glycobol, I too am a nutritionist, going to get my DOCTRINE in it.

Originally Posted by andrew732

I honestly prefer a detailed question, thanks.
1. Simple, BMOV, Na-R-ALA plus mucana creates R.E.M. sleep , aplifying your gh release, which is crucial for dopamine production, this results in better drive, self-motvation, better mood, better sex-drive and FAT LOSS with muscle gain.
2. Carbs are crucial no matter what anybody thinks, they are important for TESTOSTERONE production, 125g is fine, you may bump it up or down uif you choose to.
3. See people get the misconception that this is LITERALY insulin, that is not the case. It acts as inuslin but is a nutrient partritioner. I would dose 2 hours prior to basketball to avoid PAINFUL PUMPS.
4. Well, do not deplete your body of carrbs, they give your energy due to its conversion of glucons. Glycobol will dispose glucose, so feel free to eat carbs, Na-R-ALA will not allow fat to accumalte in the adipose through GLUT-4 expression translocation. Keep the protein intake high because it increases lipolysis and nitrogen retention which is crucial for fatloss and performance.
5. Na-R-ALA is 21 times more bio-available than just R-ALA, so with that being said, glycobol WILL do the trick. Dose 2 20-30 minutes prior to eating these types of meals. Althoguh if you are trying to loss fat, you should sway away from these types of meals for self discipline and to achieve your goals faster.
6. I personally prefer sprinting over any form of cardio, sprinting and walking burn the least amount of muscle, I have found from studies that walking REAL slow helps burn fat more effficently than jogging. Since your athletic, I would do 5 60 yds. sprints, plus walk.
7. I would take a whey isolate(preferably ATW or Isopure), then play basketball, then take 2 glycobol's 20-30 minutes prior to dinner.

Feel free to pm me as well,. much appreciated in your liking for glycobol, I too am a nutritionist, going to get my DOCTRINE in it.

Excellent response - I really appreciate the detail. I see so many posts that are so general so I value the accuracy of your responses.

1. I will use them before bed as that is the only time of the day where I crave carbs. It is like my body won't let me sleep without carbs. I never really "cheat" per say. I may have a bowl of kashi cereal with Calorie Countdown milk - nothing like 10 cookies or anything. Hopefully if I do that now I won't feel as guilty with glycobol.
2. I do know how you feel when you are full of quality carbs…strong enough to go run through a wall. What is the exact link between carbs and testosterone? That is one thing I can attest to though…when carbs are down so the sex drive goes as well. I would like to enjoy more carbs through the day…hopefully with proper use of glycobol I can bump it up a bit.
3. I like the 2 hour window before basketball. With performance based anaerobic activity it is a balance between just enough to perform well but not too much to hinder fat loss…or am I way off on that one.
4. Is it a good idea to treat basketball like weight training as far as nutrition is concerned? That is what I currently do as basketball is pretty intense and really pushes the body. If I don’t have a few carbs after soreness will occur. I feel great lately as my weight is down but I still get 25 grams and 35 grams protein when I am done. I know others may scoff at my low carbs but it works for me. I don’t use BCAA’s simply because of the cost…read so many things about them though…definitely in the future.
5. I have read (Johny Bowden) says we are always burning a mix of fuel – fat or carbs…regardless of what we just ate – I tend to disagree with that. Since my carbs are always around 100 grams a day I am always right on the edge of depletion by the end of the day in my opinion…if I worked out of course. If the liver and brain split up about 120 grams of carbs I figure that is about right. When you keep it to 100 grams a day how much gets into my muscles…does the liver and brain always take precedence…if I take r gylcobol does that store them more in the muscle or liver and brain first?
6. I usually don’t eat hamburgers and fries but just using that as an example. I track every calorie I eat every day. Right now I still have about 2400 calories left today as I have lifted and played ball. Thinking about a cheat meal tonight to reset myself a bit.
7. On the days I don’t play ball I will do a 45 minute basketball workout – pretty high intensity – or hill sprints for about 20 minutes – great workout. I love the walk as it is important for overall well being. After all I am not a professional so all of this will hopefully lead to longevity as well.
8. So the break down per pill to grams of carbs is about 1 pill to 30 grams of carbs…is that correct? Real life application – If I eat 400 grams of carbs and I take the necessary amount of N R ala will I be assured it will all be shuttled into glycogen. I notice that people are taking 75-100 grams pre workout and then that amount post with only 2 pills.
9. On carb up days, refeeds whatever you want to call them. How would you use gylcobol taking into account that only 4 is advisable to use in 1 day. Should additional N R ALA be incorporated as well? I never see myself eating 400,500 or 600 grams of carbs in one day but can see maybe 250-300 which is doubling or tripling my current amount. Should I use the 4 gylcobols in addition to r ala…is that overkill…will this high amount result in low blood sugar on other days. I have a cheat meal every once in a while but not a whole day…never have the desire.
Again I really appreciate the response and wish that my current nutrition curriculum would cover things like this…I guess that is further down the road. For now I am nailing down the basics.

A few more questions maybe others have as well:

1. What is the supplemental arsenal when preparing for a cheat meal. I think this would be a popular thread perhaps. Nothing insane, just a normal meal…lets say chicken cheese steak and fries. This is my guess
a. Fish oil – not sure of dosage (possibly sesamin was good for this)
b. A nutrient partioner such us glycobol
c. Fiber – to grab some of that pesky fat – post meal (who wants the fiber before…that will kill your appetite and I want to grub)
d. A walk which is really helpful for digestion

2. As far as cheat meals go…I understand a reefed with carbs but in my opinion I never see a reason to increase bad fats for any reason. Allot of guys will eat a pizza or tons of fast food which has all kind of bad fats. Can anyone offer evidence why increasing calories in that way is beneficial? I think today there is so much food and junk food for that matter that is on the healthier side why go all the way overboard…

3. Concerning fish oil. What is the optimal dosage per day of EPA/DHA in grams. For fat loss and for general health. I have read 4-6 grams. How much is to much?

4. When exercising after a meal how does calorie burn/digestion go after a reg meal with fiber and fats? Does digestion take a break while the glucose is supplied for energy…does everything run at once? When walking for instance – lets say 5 miles - after a large meal…how far is the food digested before your body starts using those calories you just ate. Is this an immediate thing…does digestion continue and the nutrients stored…does only the glucose get used and the rest get digested? I think this is an important question as many people I see in the gym buy there fruit smoothies and them sip them during the workouts…one of the many things that brings a smile to my face in the gym.

5. How many days a week should supplements be taken. From reading posts over the years I see very few people afraid to let there body’s rest for even one day…for even half a day. It is easy to have a dependency on supplements especially when there are a few out there that elicit such positive effects. I know the liver is dying for a day off from the stories I have heard. Even the things we do to help the liver still require it to work. I like to take one day away from supplements now and then – does anyone agree with that. When I say supplements I mean performance based, test boosters and your daily anti ox’s, multi’s and minerals as well.

6. I see so many people taking so many things for test and such. Is there a rule of thumb to see if you really need these products in the first place? I know they help but is it necessary when some of the forum members already have optimum levels already? So many young guys taking test boosters – anti estrogens and such…not necessary is some cases in my opinion.

7. I don’t see many posts on Sesamin any more…was that a trend that has passed…is it only for cutting up. What are recent thoughts on this?

Just questions I have that I think others may have as well.

Originally Posted by Aviad

Excellent response - I really appreciate the detail. I see so many posts that are so general so I value the accuracy of your responses.

1. I will use them before bed as that is the only time of the day where I crave carbs. It is like my body won't let me sleep without carbs. I never really "cheat" per say. I may have a bowl of kashi cereal with Calorie Countdown milk - nothing like 10 cookies or anything. Hopefully if I do that now I won't feel as guilty with glycobol.
2. I do know how you feel when you are full of quality carbs…strong enough to go run through a wall. What is the exact link between carbs and testosterone? That is one thing I can attest to though…when carbs are down so the sex drive goes as well. I would like to enjoy more carbs through the day…hopefully with proper use of glycobol I can bump it up a bit.
3. I like the 2 hour window before basketball. With performance based anaerobic activity it is a balance between just enough to perform well but not too much to hinder fat loss…or am I way off on that one.
4. Is it a good idea to treat basketball like weight training as far as nutrition is concerned? That is what I currently do as basketball is pretty intense and really pushes the body. If I don’t have a few carbs after soreness will occur. I feel great lately as my weight is down but I still get 25 grams and 35 grams protein when I am done. I know others may scoff at my low carbs but it works for me. I don’t use BCAA’s simply because of the cost…read so many things about them though…definitely in the future.
5. I have read (Johny Bowden) says we are always burning a mix of fuel – fat or carbs…regardless of what we just ate – I tend to disagree with that. Since my carbs are always around 100 grams a day I am always right on the edge of depletion by the end of the day in my opinion…if I worked out of course. If the liver and brain split up about 120 grams of carbs I figure that is about right. When you keep it to 100 grams a day how much gets into my muscles…does the liver and brain always take precedence…if I take r gylcobol does that store them more in the muscle or liver and brain first?
6. I usually don’t eat hamburgers and fries but just using that as an example. I track every calorie I eat every day. Right now I still have about 2400 calories left today as I have lifted and played ball. Thinking about a cheat meal tonight to reset myself a bit.
7. On the days I don’t play ball I will do a 45 minute basketball workout – pretty high intensity – or hill sprints for about 20 minutes – great workout. I love the walk as it is important for overall well being. After all I am not a professional so all of this will hopefully lead to longevity as well.
8. So the break down per pill to grams of carbs is about 1 pill to 30 grams of carbs…is that correct? Real life application – If I eat 400 grams of carbs and I take the necessary amount of N R ala will I be assured it will all be shuttled into glycogen. I notice that people are taking 75-100 grams pre workout and then that amount post with only 2 pills.
9. On carb up days, refeeds whatever you want to call them. How would you use gylcobol taking into account that only 4 is advisable to use in 1 day. Should additional N R ALA be incorporated as well? I never see myself eating 400,500 or 600 grams of carbs in one day but can see maybe 250-300 which is doubling or tripling my current amount. Should I use the 4 gylcobols in addition to r ala…is that overkill…will this high amount result in low blood sugar on other days. I have a cheat meal every once in a while but not a whole day…never have the desire.
Again I really appreciate the response and wish that my current nutrition curriculum would cover things like this…I guess that is further down the road. For now I am nailing down the basics.

No prob, here to help.

The conversion of carbs glucons is important for the brain, which leads to increased neurotransmitter production, which then leads to increased testosterone.
I prefer that you take BCAA' s and with gatorade or whey isolate then take whole food before playing basketball, also since glycobol is meant for one's insulin resistance to become stronger; it would make no sense if one uses after lifting to then go play b-ball, after b-ball take the glycobol prior to dinner.
Glycobol plus mucana will increase dopamine levels which will take away craves for food period.
I would say 1 cap of glycobol is suffficient enough to break down 100g of carbs from experience. 4 caps equals 400-500g of carbs.
4 caps will be sufficient, 6 is the most I go, too much phellendron will have me pooping my brains out LOL. Here is something to remember the more you train and are active; the better one's insulin resistance is; so believe me 4 is enough.
I hear ya, I did not lear about body expressions till my last two semesters, ask Crazyfool405, he still in that boat somewhat LOL. Feel free to continue to ask questions, quite the lengthy ones LOL.

Originally Posted by Aviad

A few more questions maybe others have as well:

1. What is the supplemental arsenal when preparing for a cheat meal. I think this would be a popular thread perhaps. Nothing insane, just a normal meal…lets say chicken cheese steak and fries. This is my guess
a. Fish oil – not sure of dosage (possibly sesamin was good for this)
b. A nutrient partioner such us glycobol
c. Fiber – to grab some of that pesky fat – post meal (who wants the fiber before…that will kill your appetite and I want to grub)
d. A walk which is really helpful for digestion

2. As far as cheat meals go…I understand a reefed with carbs but in my opinion I never see a reason to increase bad fats for any reason. Allot of guys will eat a pizza or tons of fast food which has all kind of bad fats. Can anyone offer evidence why increasing calories in that way is beneficial? I think today there is so much food and junk food for that matter that is on the healthier side why go all the way overboard…

3. Concerning fish oil. What is the optimal dosage per day of EPA/DHA in grams. For fat loss and for general health. I have read 4-6 grams. How much is to much?

4. When exercising after a meal how does calorie burn/digestion go after a reg meal with fiber and fats? Does digestion take a break while the glucose is supplied for energy…does everything run at once? When walking for instance – lets say 5 miles - after a large meal…how far is the food digested before your body starts using those calories you just ate. Is this an immediate thing…does digestion continue and the nutrients stored…does only the glucose get used and the rest get digested? I think this is an important question as many people I see in the gym buy there fruit smoothies and them sip them during the workouts…one of the many things that brings a smile to my face in the gym.

5. How many days a week should supplements be taken. From reading posts over the years I see very few people afraid to let there body’s rest for even one day…for even half a day. It is easy to have a dependency on supplements especially when there are a few out there that elicit such positive effects. I know the liver is dying for a day off from the stories I have heard. Even the things we do to help the liver still require it to work. I like to take one day away from supplements now and then – does anyone agree with that. When I say supplements I mean performance based, test boosters and your daily anti ox’s, multi’s and minerals as well.

6. I see so many people taking so many things for test and such. Is there a rule of thumb to see if you really need these products in the first place? I know they help but is it necessary when some of the forum members already have optimum levels already? So many young guys taking test boosters – anti estrogens and such…not necessary is some cases in my opinion.

7. I don’t see many posts on Sesamin any more…was that a trend that has passed…is it only for cutting up. What are recent thoughts on this?

Just questions I have that I think others may have as well.

1. I would say 2 caps of glycobol, 1 p-slin, chronium pilconate(500mcg), 500mg of bromelain, 10g of fiber, and 500mg of DHA and 800mg of EPA.
2. I NEVER advise people to eat dirty, always up your calories CLEANLY, although at times junk food is fine but it is not by any means beneficial.
3. As for DHA/EPA, no more than 3gs daily, now EFA's, could go 50gs. Too mcuh DHA/EPA can cause serious side-effects.
4. When you see people drinking smoothies during their workouts, this simply suggests that they are hungry or want to kill their workouts. Food takes 20 minutes to BEGIN to digest, that is why we suggest 20-30 minutes with glycobol, so that its effects begin before intaking nutrients. Give your body at least 1.5-2 hours after food consumption prior to training, now electrolytes is a different story, such as sodium, potassium, they are to help restore glycogen, with glycobol this will not be too much of a problem.
5. I agree in some regards with this statement, great thing about Na-R-ALA is it does not get too metabolized by the liver, it also DETOXIFIES it through the release of bile in the blood, BMOV does the same. I agree body could always use a break from rougher raws, such as creatine, aminos, whey protein, and so on.

6. Good point, I probably have the highest levels of testosterone on this board, which means I have the highest levels of estrogen as well, AI's work well for me, I think the higher the test and the lower the estrogen ratio, the better the gains. That is what makes AI's and products such as Stoked beneficial for me. The higher the testosterone production, the better the gains.
7. Sessamin is great stuff, it has AWESOME N3 capabilities which goes beyond the omega's. It is one of those GOOD omega6's with great cardio restorative properties. Good thermogenic effects as well.

Thanks for the explanation of carb to increased test, I never knew that. I want to know everything about everything when it comes to supplementation so that means reading, reading and more reading. Thank you for the direction and the info. I have so many questions but I appreciate time you took to explain.

I didn't realize mucana had such a huge effect...I will def read more on that supplement.

Originally Posted by Aviad

Thanks for the explanation of carb to increased test, I never knew that. I want to know everything about everything when it comes to supplementation so that means reading, reading and more reading. Thank you for the direction and the info. I have so many questions but I appreciate time you took to explain.

I didn't realize mucana had such a huge effect...I will def read more on that supplement.

My favorite all time gh release is G-Force by Force Of Green Labs, Powerfull(2 caps) by Usp Labs, 2 caps of Glycobol, 1 extra gram of agmatine, P5p, ZMA, and 200mg of divanil, this stuff knocks me out like no other and feel great the next day.

1. Wow, p-slin gets such rave reviews. I will definitely look into this product, I have read a bit on this but will read up more. They seem to both have fenugreek and seem to both shuttle nutrients…why both? I am guessing bromelain to break down excess proteins and why the exact single Carltons dose of fish oil…just asking?
2. 3 Grams of DHA/EPA…thank you so much for that clarification. Why type of other EFA’s should be used high lignin flax…Udo’s Oil…
3. I love the specifics when applied to eating and training. I read so many good posts with these inspired quotes but I need to know why people suggest things…thank you for the clarification.
4. Based on how easy I can gain muscle and simply my sex drive I am guessing my test is high…I do take calcium d glucurate as I like the positive health benefits in addition to the estrogen lowering capabilities of it. Is this a substance you recommend?
5. How much Sesamin for fat loss, and timing of this supplement? Fats later in the day even EFA’s like fish oil and Sesamin?

1. Wow, p-slin gets such rave reviews. I will definitely look into this product, I have read a bit on this but will read up more. They seem to both have fenugreek and seem to both shuttle nutrients…why both? I am guessing bromelain to break down excess proteins and why the exact single Carltons dose of fish oil…just asking?
2. 3 Grams of DHA/EPA…thank you so much for that clarification. Why type of other EFA’s should be used high lignin flax…Udo’s Oil…
3. I love the specifics when applied to eating and training. I read so many good posts with these inspired quotes but I need to know why people suggest things…thank you for the clarification.
4. Based on how easy I can gain muscle and simply my sex drive I am guessing my test is high…I do take calcium d glucurate as I like the positive health benefits in addition to the estrogen lowering capabilities of it. Is this a substance you recommend?
5. How much Sesamin for fat loss, and timing of this supplement? Fats later in the day even EFA’s like fish oil and Sesamin?

Originally Posted by andrew732

1. I would say 2 caps of glycobol, 1 p-slin, chronium pilconate(500mcg), 500mg of bromelain, 10g of fiber, and 500mg of DHA and 800mg of EPA. To add to this i would say 2 caps gbol would be a littl too potent. but a nice amount of CLA would help very well or sesamin instead of the fishoil . taking in that much at once may be a little annoying depending on potency of the pills
2. I NEVER advise people to eat dirty, always up your calories CLEANLY, although at times junk food is fine but it is not by any means beneficial.depending on type of diet dirty cheats CAN be successful but only in certain places of dieting. its also important for optimal thyroid hormone conversion if dieting the same way (clean with carbs) for quite sometime!!
3. As for DHA/EPA, no more than 3gs daily, now EFA's, could go 50gs. Too mcuh DHA/EPA can cause serious side-effects. that ends up being like 10g fishoil a day! not that big of a deal but i wouldnt dose it around workout due to anti inflammatory properties.
4. When you see people drinking smoothies during their workouts, this simply suggests that they are hungry or want to kill their workouts. Food takes 20 minutes to BEGIN to digest, that is why we suggest 20-30 minutes with glycobol, so that its effects begin before intaking nutrients. Give your body at least 1.5-2 hours after food consumption prior to training, now electrolytes is a different story, such as sodium, potassium, they are to help restore glycogen, with glycobol this will not be too much of a problem. well said brotha
5. I agree in some regards with this statement, great thing about Na-R-ALA is it does not get too metabolized by the liver, it also DETOXIFIES it through the release of bile in the blood, BMOV does the same. I agree body could always use a break from rougher raws, such as creatine, aminos, whey protein, and so on.dont forget the berberine!!! this helps.

6. Good point, I probably have the highest levels of testosterone on this board, which means I have the highest levels of estrogen as well, AI's work well for me, I think the higher the test and the lower the estrogen ratio, the better the gains. That is what makes AI's and products such as Stoked beneficial for me. The higher the testosterone production, the better the gains.very true ur a freak bro!!!!
7. Sessamin is great stuff, it has AWESOME N3 capabilities which goes beyond the omega's. It is one of those GOOD omega6's with great cardio restorative properties. Good thermogenic effects as well.

on top of that GLA is also also great comin from evening primrose oil

Originally Posted by Aviad

1. Wow, p-slin gets such rave reviews. I will definitely look into this product, I have read a bit on this but will read up more. They seem to both have fenugreek and seem to both shuttle nutrients…why both? I am guessing bromelain to break down excess proteins and why the exact single Carltons dose of fish oil…just asking?
2. 3 Grams of DHA/EPA…thank you so much for that clarification. Why type of other EFA’s should be used high lignin flax…Udo’s Oil…
3. I love the specifics when applied to eating and training. I read so many good posts with these inspired quotes but I need to know why people suggest things…thank you for the clarification.
4. Based on how easy I can gain muscle and simply my sex drive I am guessing my test is high…I do take calcium d glucurate as I like the positive health benefits in addition to the estrogen lowering capabilities of it. Is this a substance you recommend?
5. How much Sesamin for fat loss, and timing of this supplement? Fats later in the day even EFA’s like fish oil and Sesamin?

1. P-slin is good, however do not use it constantly, cycle it, pm me if confused why to cycle it. Fenugreek is pretty good in this dept. for its phtyo-nutrient capabilities.
2. I love Udo's oil, other oils include olive on its own, (for MCT)extra virgin coconut oil on its own, KRILL oil is great stuff.
3. Indeed
4.Any form of calcium is decent, just do not over do it, I prefer a small dose of icarrin in terms of estrogen blockage.
5. Varies on individuals, 3-6g is typical

Got the bottle of Glycobol this morning...working out in an hour. I can't wait to see the effect. We start a detailed review of the product to help others. Done the research and have excellent advice from Andrew732. I will get my weight before I start so I can give the best possible review to help other posters. Feeling rock solid after my carb meal in the morning...ready to go!

Originally Posted by Aviad

Got the bottle of Glycobol this morning...working out in an hour. I can't wait to see the effect. We start a detailed review of the product to help others. Done the research and have excellent advice from Andrew732. I will get my weight before I start so I can give the best possible review to help other posters. Feeling rock solid after my carb meal in the morning...ready to go!

Thank you for doing this.Looking forward to it.

Has AI thought about including a little write up to include with glycobol that explains different dosing protocols? I think that would be pretty cool. Just to clear up confusion and stuff.

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Originally Posted by fightbackhxc

Has AI thought about including a little write up to include with glycobol that explains different dosing protocols? I think that would be pretty cool. Just to clear up confusion and stuff.

I agree with that...everyone has questions about the dosing. I can clearly feel the effects but appreciate the feedback on timing; timing with glucose disposal is huge!


When I have a few days under my belt of using the supplement I will post my success with the timing and such.

The only problem is that whay works very well for some does not work well for others. It seems that a lot of people have to play with the timing to find what works best for them.

Originally Posted by pembroke3355

The only problem is that whay works very well for some does not work well for others. It seems that a lot of people have to play with the timing to find what works best for them.

yeah but at least they know the dosings to play around with

just a thought

Originally Posted by fightbackhxc

yeah but at least they know the dosings to play around with

just a thought

these are the general dosing protocol for Glycobol. This is what people should begin with then can make changes from there. There have been to many varying ways that people dose(some which work fine for one person and the same way could cause another person discomfort)


To access tolerance take 1 capsule with a meal containing 50 - 100 grams of complex carbohydrates. The next day use as follows.

When Bulking: Take 2 capsules with a meal containing at least 50 - 100 grams of complex carbohydrates in the AM and again in the PM.

When Dieting: Take 2 capsules 30 minutes before a meal containing at least 25 - 50 grams of complex carbohydrates in the AM and again in the PM.

Do not exceed 4 capsules per day.

On workout days take 2 capsules with pre-workout meal

Glycobol is good for use it immediately in post-workout with my fast carbs and hydrolized proteins?

Would it raise or diminish insulin production in that moment?

Originally Posted by JBerto

Glycobol is good for use it immediately in post-workout with my fast carbs and hydrolized proteins?

Would it raise or diminish insulin production in that moment?

Good question, glycobol in my opinion shines here, take it post workout, wait 20 minutes, then take whey with watever else you want, ten minutes later eat a solid meal. This method improves one's insulin sensitivity quite a bit.

Originally Posted by andrew732

Good question, glycobol in my opinion shines here, take it post workout, wait 20 minutes, then take whey with watever else you want, ten minutes later eat a solid meal. This method improves one's insulin sensitivity quite a bit.

maybe on my training days ill take my glycobol 2 hours before training with high carb meal, then postworkout like you said

and then off days ill does it 2 am 2 pm or something like that.

I can attest to that. I have only been using the supplement for 2 days and will post a review once complete but here is what I have noticed so far:

1. Increased energy during workouts
2. Increased energy after post workout meal
3. Increase in stored glycogen causing muscles to swell...for the better part of the day I might add
4. Increased vascularity in places I have not seen before
5. No decrease in strength or duration of workouts...workouts have been longer
6. Sleep has been deeper as I take one before bed

Of course 2 days, it could be so many things that effect your well being. I will say so far so great. I will post a full detailed review soon.

I think me and andrew can put something together on the protocols we used with different diets we are on. Including how to use it during carb load, on keto, and on general diet. Along with recomp.

Originally Posted by JBerto

Glycobol is good for use it immediately in post-workout with my fast carbs and hydrolized proteins?

Would it raise or diminish insulin production in that moment?

Originally Posted by andrew732

Good question, glycobol in my opinion shines here, take it post workout, wait 20 minutes, then take whey with watever else you want, ten minutes later eat a solid meal. This method improves one's insulin sensitivity quite a bit.

But, if glycobol improve insulin sensitivity thats mean more glucose enter in the cells in muscle tissues and liver tissues, and when they are full, in the fat tissue.

I'm not sure, but i think i've read that muscle tissue and liver tissue can not store big quantities of glucose, so the best way to take glycobol would be with small dosing of carbs, not with a full meal nor with shakes with a lot of carbs, wouldn't it?

Originally Posted by JBerto

But, if glycobol improve insulin sensitivity thats mean more glucose enter in the cells in muscle tissues and liver tissues, and when they are full, in the fat tissue.

I'm not sure, but i think i've read that muscle tissue and liver tissue can not store big quantities of glucose, so the best way to take glycobol would be with small dosing of carbs, not with a full meal nor with shakes with a lot of carbs, wouldn't it?

I know where you are gettting to with this, Glycobol is NOT insulin, this is something that occurs when people inject insulin. Glycobol is a nutrient partritioner that ACTS like insulin, it improves the insulin utilization. Unlike insulin, it does NOT store glucose, however it does store glycogen which is crucial for fat oxidation and lipolysis. With glycobol; one will not have to worry about the liver or fat cells befing overflowed with glucose storage. Remember the purpose of nutrient partritioners is to dispose of glucose of the body.

Originally Posted by andrew732

6. Good point, I probably have the highest levels of testosterone on this board, which means I have the highest levels of estrogen as well, AI's work well for me, I think the higher the test and the lower the estrogen ratio, the better the gains. That is what makes AI's and products such as Stoked beneficial for me. The higher the testosterone production, the better the gains.

Is there any evidence to suggest this?

Just curious why you didn't say something like "I have high testosterone levels..."

Originally Posted by andrew732

I know where you are gettting to with this, Glycobol is NOT insulin, this is something that occurs when people inject insulin. Glycobol is a nutrient partritioner that ACTS like insulin, it improves the insulin utilization. Unlike insulin, it does NOT store glucose, however it does store glycogen which is crucial for fat oxidation and lipolysis. With glycobol; one will not have to worry about the liver or fat cells befing overflowed with glucose storage. Remember the purpose of nutrient partritioners is to dispose of glucose of the body.

OK, thanks for clarifying!!

Originally Posted by TimberLakers

Is there any evidence to suggest this?

Just curious why you didn't say something like "I have high testosterone levels..."

LOL, I said prolly, if I tell you my test levels, better yet if I show you test results you still will believe its a fake or that I am on test, etc. Please refrain from bringing this up, if you want to discuss this, pm me, thanks.

Originally Posted by andrew732

LOL, I said prolly, if I tell you my test levels, better yet if I show you test results you still will believe its a fake or that I am on test, etc. Please refrain from bringing this up, if you want to discuss this, pm me, thanks.

You brought it up... I was just asking why you said it.