Primordial Performance: Phyto-Testosterone
- 04-07-2009, 08:50 PM
- 04-07-2009, 10:45 PM
Good luck with this post, I tried asking the same thing a few weeks ago and got no replys. But good luck anyway
04-08-2009, 08:22 AM
I am using it stacked with prime and super sap. So far it's been a good stack. Some strength gains, maybe leaned out a touch and put on a couple of pounds. Can't speak for it as a stand alone but there are other on here that use it in a stack.
04-08-2009, 08:26 AM
04-08-2009, 04:38 PM
I was curious if it increased the libido as well as divanil or icariin... Anyone able to report this?
04-08-2009, 04:52 PM
04-08-2009, 06:24 PM
I was researching fenugreek and found this information...
Since ancient times, Fenugreek has been known to increase milk production in lactating women. Research has even shown that milk production can increase by over 500 percent within 24 to 72 hours after consuming fenugreek.
Fenugreek is often used in commercial preparations and teas formulated to help balance women's hormones and/or enlarge the breasts.
04-08-2009, 06:39 PM
Here's something else I found...
So, what's the truth? Fenugreek hasn't been shown to increase Testosterone levels and even worse, can inhibit T3 production! Ah! Not only this, but the fact that it increases appetite isn't an impressive feat. Why? Well, it increases insulin levels, causing hypoglycemia. So, as a result, you start to get hunger cravings in order to raise blood glucose once again. Furthermore, this increased insulin secretion can lead to an increase in fat storage.
04-08-2009, 06:42 PM
And this is the information we want to believe...
Gencor Pacific has conducted several in-house studies in animals and humans to demonstrate that Testofen:
improves libido and erectile function (rat)
has anabolic and androgenic effects (rat)
increases bioavailable (free) testosterone (human)
In the first study, Testofen (5 - 25 mg/kg) increased mounting frequency and other measures of sexual activity.
The second study demonstrated that castrated rats given 25 mg/kg Testofen had increases in seminal vesicle, prostate and levator ani muscle weights similar to controls injected with 0.5 mg testosterone.
The third study was a randomized, placebo-controlled, in-house clinical trial with 60 men, half of whom took 600 mg Testofen per day. After 8 weeks, the users' free testosterone levels had nearly doubled, from an average of 17.76 pg/ml to 35.29 pg/ml.
On the basis of these tests, the makers of Testofen propose that it...
a) Stimulates natural androgen production by acting on the adrenals and pituitary gland.
b) Binds independently to testosterone receptor sites to stimulate androgenic/anabolic responses.
Of course, these results need to be taken with a grain of salt, as promising as they may be.
In house studies can certainly be credible, but it would be really nice to have some independently performed, peer-reviewed studies confirming Testofen's testosterone-boosting potential. Likewise, it would be interesting to see if Testofen has any genuine effects on muscle mass and/or strength.
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