Nicotine; a hardening agent and useful tool to minimize fat storage while bulking.

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  1. Nicotine; a hardening agent and useful tool to minimize fat storage while bulking.


    I am currently taking a cell-volumizer and hardness is of course expected from it. But, recently I have started chewing tobacco on and off for a little bump in my metabolism every so often while I'm bulking. I found that it helps a bit with fat storage.

    I will use it for 1-2 weeks or so, and towards the end of that period, I will actually trim up a bit. I'll drop down to just around maintenance duringthis time and when I notice like 4 or 5 lbs. dropped in total weight, I'll cease use, up cals to where I was last at and be able to get at the previous weight but a bit more leaner.

    I've been doing this for about two or so months now, and I also notice that when I start my "cycle" of it, I'll harden up to a very noticeable extent.

    I'm just wondering if anyone else that has use forms of nicotine has noticed this as well.

    **Might be a useful tip to minimize fat storage during long, natural, bulking cycles.


  2. Nicotine is a good nutrient partitioner.
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  3. I believe Dante from Avant wrote a good bit about his experience with it. Ill try and find that thread for you, its floating around somewhere on their board if you wanna look.

  4. Yeah, I read one of those threads before, but I think htere's more than one. The thing that I'm most impressed about is that I never really knew how useful it can be if used a certain way. I had used the patches before, but all I did was wear them and didn't reduce cals at all, or actually try out other variables that would help the process.

    I'm pretty stoked about how it can work in such away when proper parameters are applied in such a short period of time while covering more than one benefit. ie, appetite supression, partioning as Bobo said, hardening, and increasing metabolic rate.

  5. SKOAL always there in a pinch.
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  6. Originally posted by DarCSA
    SKOAL always there in a pinch.

  7. don't you think nicotine supplementation is taking things a little far for body composition? seriously, who want to chew tobacco or get addicted to nicotine? that just doesn't make sense to me.

  8. You can use the patch, gum or the tablets, there is no need to chew.

  9. Also I believe studies have suggested that in order to reap the positive benefits of nicotine discussed above one only needs to intake a few mg's of the substance. Anything over that and the benefits decline. One single cigarette contains 6-8 mg of nicotine on avg. I doubt anyone is going to get addicted off of a few mg's a day. Like was said one can take it in any form they want.

  10. Originally posted by TMack40
    Also I believe studies have suggested that in order to reap the positive benefits of nicotine discussed above one only needs to intake a few mg's of the substance. Anything over that and the benefits decline. One single cigarette contains 6-8 mg of nicotine on avg. I doubt anyone is going to get addicted off of a few mg's a day. Like was said one can take it in any form they want.
    hey, you talked me into it. i'll just add half a cig to my cutting stack every day, and i should be more hard and ripped. let's see-eca, 7-keto, lipo, cardio, and smoke half a cig :b So, which form of nicotine do u recommend; the convenience of an oral, the flavorful chew, or the sustained transdermal release of a patch?

    Do u know that nicotine is the most addictive drug in the US in terms of the number of smokers? It is also the #1 cause of death that is preventable and cost taxpayers billions. everyone i know that smokes is a smoker for life or until they die or come close to death due to smoking. non-addictive?

    There is absolutely no health benefits to nicotine IMHO. I despise it in very way. But, i can respect individual choices. who am i to preach? i'm only a doctor.

  11. It's not the nicotine that causes all these deaths all the poisons/toxins they breathe in with the cigs trying to get there nicotine fix.

    I would never consider smoking as a source for nicotine, nor would I consider chew even.

    Gum is the only form of nicotine Ive used with consistancy and had no problems stopping usage.

  12. Originally posted by lancelot


    hey, you talked me into it. i'll just add half a cig to my cutting stack every day, and i should be more hard and ripped. let's see-eca, 7-keto, lipo, cardio, and smoke half a cig :b So, which form of nicotine do u recommend; the convenience of an oral, the flavorful chew, or the sustained transdermal release of a patch?

    Do u know that nicotine is the most addictive drug in the US in terms of the number of smokers? It is also the #1 cause of death that is preventable and cost taxpayers billions. everyone i know that smokes is a smoker for life or until they die or come close to death due to smoking. non-addictive?

    There is absolutely no health benefits to nicotine IMHO. I despise it in very way. But, i can respect individual choices. who am i to preach? i'm only a doctor.
    sounds like I should spit out this lipper

    cm5

  13. Lancelot, I know where you're coming from man. I absolutely despise people who smoke. I despise them for the lack of respect they have for their own bodies and I despise them even more when i get a face full of smoke. I also try to have as much pity for them becuase they are addicted and are truly damaging their bodies and dont even realize it. Whlie nicotine does have some potentially negative side effects on its own right, its mainly the worst culprit in a cig due to its addictive property. Like cookmic said there are worse things in cigs, but in no one would i suggest someone "supplementing" through cigarettes. Gum would be the best option.

    Like all things its merely a choice and I wanted to lay out the facts. Its highly unlikely anyone will become addicted or experience any negative effects with 2-3 mg's a day. Keep in mind thats what we are talking about, not smoking cigarettes which like i said i am also totally against. People put way riskier things in there body for the sake of asthetics/strength. I apologize for striking a sensitive subject, hope this clarifies.

  14. Nicotine gum is not addictive. My GF despises smoke and dip, but gets great results when dieting off of 4-5 pieces per day of 2mg gum, for a period of 3-4 weeks, and has no problem coming off cold turkey. I also get great partitioning affects off of nicotine, but I dip. Nothing beats the dopamine rush of good ol nicotine.

  15. theprolangtum have you tried nicotine while bulking? Or do you usually get your nutrient partitioning from other substances?

  16. Well, I pretty much dip 365, so yes I have used it bulking. Just to note, I have never been much over 12% bf, I usually stay sub 10%. Of course I use plenty of other supps for partitioning when bulking (ie AAS)

  17. Use other supps....Yeah I bet...
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  18. Yeah, umm......I'll continue to use my nicotine. When I start going through withdrawal, I'll send you my tax payments to reimburse you.

    Pro-g, what kind do you chew bro?

  19. skoal pouches (berry blend, mmm) my girl made me stop straight snuff

  20. Pouches are my friend as well. Go wintergreen.

  21. Heh, yeah, no girl really likes to kiss a dude w/ a mouth full a $heeit. I use mint or straight long cut.

  22. Originally posted by Jergo
    Heh, yeah, no girl really likes to kiss a dude w/ a mouth full a $heeit. I use mint or straight long cut.
    straight is the way to go

    cm5

  23. I've used nicotine gum and liked it. I quit smoking 6 years ago, so I'm really careful with it. I won't take it more than 3 weeks at a time. I'm not going to say I don't enjoy the gum, but I didn't have any problems stopping.

    Here's a study that was posted by mushmouth on the bb forum:

    Effect of chewing gum containing nicotine and caffeine on energy expenditure and substrate utilization in men.

    Jessen AB, Toubro S, Astrup A.

    Department of Human Nutrition, Centre for Advanced Food Studies, The Royal Veterinary and Agricultural University, Frederiksberg, Denmark.

    BACKGROUND: Nicotine replacement therapy limits weight gain after smoking cessation. This finding is partly attributable to the thermogenic effect of nicotine, which may be enhanced by caffeine. OBJECTIVE: We assessed the acute thermogenic effects of chewing gum containing different doses of nicotine and caffeine. DESIGN: This randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled, crossover study included 12 healthy, normal-weight men (aged 18-45 y). Energy expenditure was measured with indirect calorimetry before and 2.5 h after subjects chewed each of 7 different types of gum containing the following doses of nicotine/caffeine: 0/0, 1/0, 2/0, 1/50, 2/50, 1/100, and 2/100 mg/mg. RESULTS: The thermogenic responses (increases over the response to placebo) were 3.7%, 4.9%, 7.9%, 6.3%, 8.5%, and 9.8%, respectively, for the gums containing 1/0, 2/0, 1/50, 2/50, 1/100, and 2/100 mg nicotine/mg caffeine (P < 0.05 for all). Adding caffeine to 1 and 2 mg nicotine significantly enhanced the thermogenic response, but changing the caffeine dose (from 50 to 100 mg) did not change the thermogenic effect. None of the combinations changed the respiratory quotient compared with placebo, which indicates that glucose and fat oxidation rates were increased to a similar extent. Side effects occurred only with 2 mg nicotine. CONCLUSIONS: One milligram of nicotine has a pronounced thermogenic effect, which can be increased by approximately 100% by adding 100 mg caffeine. Increasing the nicotine dose to 2 mg does not increase the thermogenic effect but produces side effects in most subjects. Caffeine may be useful in preventing weight gain after smoking cessation if its thermogenic effect can be used to enhance nicotine's effect on long-term energy balance.

  24. Yeah intv, I've read that taking caffeine with it before increases thermogenic response. I just now remembered that. However, it seems to be doing just fine now besides the stress thats been beating me lately. Now when and if it tends to plateau off a bit in the future, I'll just throw in some caffeine to the mix. Good $hit there.

    Have you tried the patches at all bro? My mother has tried quitting smoking for nearing a decade now and I got a whole mess of the patches, gum, etc. as well. Finally she quit just recently, but only because my uncle has just been diagnosed with lung cancer and is in some serious bad shape. Like whoever it was that stated above, I don't think that cigs would be the way to go, an alternate synthetic version would be more beneficial and less probability of starting smoking. And chewing at the most would be the next step up IMHO.

  25. Damn, sorry about your uncle, but it's good that your mother quit. Make sure you keep her away from any smokes! My wife backslid several times after quitting - but I gave her hell for it, and she finally got tired of my bitching and decided sneaking a cig just wasn't worth it.

    I haven't tried the patches, but I'd think they'd be more effective overall - a steady stream of nicotine, and less chance of addiction. I've heard the patches are quite a bit stronger though.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jergo
    Yeah intv, I've read that taking caffeine with it before increases thermogenic response. I just now remembered that. However, it seems to be doing just fine now besides the stress thats been beating me lately. Now when and if it tends to plateau off a bit in the future, I'll just throw in some caffeine to the mix. Good $hit there.

    Have you tried the patches at all bro? My mother has tried quitting smoking for nearing a decade now and I got a whole mess of the patches, gum, etc. as well. Finally she quit just recently, but only because my uncle has just been diagnosed with lung cancer and is in some serious bad shape. Like whoever it was that stated above, I don't think that cigs would be the way to go, an alternate synthetic version would be more beneficial and less probability of starting smoking. And chewing at the most would be the next step up IMHO.
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