Nicotine; a hardening agent and useful tool to minimize fat storage while bulking.

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  1. I got mine on ebay, do a search there and you'll save yourself some cash versus, buying it at the drugstore


  2. I've used nicotine gum and liked it. I quit smoking 6 years ago, so I'm really careful with it. I won't take it more than 3 weeks at a time. I'm not going to say I don't enjoy the gum, but I didn't have any problems stopping.

    intv, i quit 4 years ago and it was the hardest thing i've ever had to do. i'm 39 now & started when i was 12 or 13. i couldn't remember life without smoking!!

    i've also NEVER had a weight problem until i quit either. now i have to be VERY particular with diet.

    so you don't feel like going back to smoking while having the nicotine gum? my biggest fear.

    i'm definately going to give the gum a try. any other ex-smokers here?

    Jag
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by theprolangtum
    Most of those studies either use smoking as a way to administer nicotine, oh use reidiculous doses (2mg per kg, thats almost 200mgs of nicotine for a 200lb man!)

    actualy its 421mg for 200lb man.....1 kg = 2.205 lb

  4. Quote Originally Posted by Jag
    I've used nicotine gum and liked it. I quit smoking 6 years ago, so I'm really careful with it. I won't take it more than 3 weeks at a time. I'm not going to say I don't enjoy the gum, but I didn't have any problems stopping.

    intv, i quit 4 years ago and it was the hardest thing i've ever had to do. i'm 39 now & started when i was 12 or 13. i couldn't remember life without smoking!!

    i've also NEVER had a weight problem until i quit either. now i have to be VERY particular with diet.

    so you don't feel like going back to smoking while having the nicotine gum? my biggest fear.

    i'm definately going to give the gum a try. any other ex-smokers here?

    Jag
    I really haven't had a problem with craving cigs while on the gum - it's such a slow release. I'm not going to lie and say that I don't enjoy the gum to a degree, but I don't get cravings for the gum, in fact, I have to remind myself to chew it. When cutting, I try to cycle it 2 wks on/2 off. The first couple of days after I drop the gum, my appetite is much higher, but it levels off quickly.

    I also gained a lot weight after I quit, it was almost like my body type changed. Of course, getting older didn't help either. Give the gum a try, just for a couple of weeks. If you get cravings, or if it's hard to quit, you may want to drop it as it's not worth going back to smoking.

  5. intv,
    i'd never go back to smoking. my body felt like it changed as well from a ecto/meso to an endo/meso but like you said, getting older could have something to do with that as well.

    i never crave smoking anymore but my appetite is way out of control and i'm always using an ECA or some appetite suppressant.

    never even thought about nicotine gum but i remember when i first gave up i used the patches which made me very hyper & my appetite was still under control. i might try the gum for a cuppla weeks.

    thanks for your reply.

    Jag

  6. has anyone ever ACTUALLY used nicotine gum as part of thier diet/supp program?

    If so, please share your experience.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by BigBuddyBoy
    has anyone ever ACTUALLY used nicotine gum as part of thier diet/supp program?

    If so, please share your experience.

    can't say much at the moment but i did get some 2mg gum and been using it twice a day with an ECA stack (ECA only on training days) and my appetite has gone.

    i'm an extremely big eater and usually thinking of my next meal when i'm halfway through the one i'm eating.

    i got 2 weeks worth so i'll see what happens then. currently i'm quite happy though.

    Jag

  8. Quote Originally Posted by Jag
    i'm an extremely big eater and usually thinking of my next meal when i'm halfway through the one i'm eating.
    LOL, that's the spirit....

    BBB, like I and others have said, we use it for a short cycle, say 4-5 weeks or so and then come off. It makes it easier to not get addicted that way among other negative health concerns. I haven't actually used the gum yet, I have some sitting around, will have to check the exp. date on it, but the patches and my Skoal seem to do the trick.

  9. I can't seem to get used to the gum, I got the 2mg size and I chew it as slow as possible and it still makes me nauseous, I used to smoke too, so I know I can handle the nicotine, what gives..........

  10. Quote Originally Posted by goes4ever
    I can't seem to get used to the gum, I got the 2mg size and I chew it as slow as possible and it still makes me nauseous, I used to smoke too, so I know I can handle the nicotine, what gives..........
    I feel you on that too. I used to smoke before and the first time I used the patch it was causing TOO much appetite supression along with the nausea, etc. I might try to chew it a couple times and then maybe take it out of your mouth and put it somewhere until you can wait it out and make sure you aren't going to get nauseated, then just repeat....
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  11. well I chew it a few times then park it in the cheek of my mouth like the instructions say, but everytime I try it within like 5-7 minutes the nausea sets in

  12. i've used nicotine gum, 4 mg pieces (half at a time 5-6 times a day). subjective feedback:

    1) at first it can act as a mild stimulant, but this disappears soon enough
    2) curbs appetite, this may be good or bad depending on your goals (this is the biggest benefit of nicotine in my opinion if your are cutting)
    3) made me feel sick when i started taking piracetam (for me the two don't mix)
    4) may have other positive and negative effects for mind and body, but overall i would not consider nicotine use healthy (even in gum form)

    -5

  13. Perhaps you could try splitting the 2mg pieces in half until you build a tolerance for the nicotine. Another tip is to avoid swallowing your saliva while chewing the gum, I think that can cause nausea for many users.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by max silver
    Perhaps you could try splitting the 2mg pieces in half until you build a tolerance for the nicotine. Another tip is to avoid swallowing your saliva while chewing the gum, I think that can cause nausea for many users.
    well it is weird because I just quit smoking this year and I never got nausea feelings when I smoked, so what is the difference?

  15. Quote Originally Posted by BigBuddyBoy
    has anyone ever ACTUALLY used nicotine gum as part of thier diet/supp program?

    If so, please share your experience.

    When coupled with EC, it is the single most effective cutting stack i could reccomend.

    No hunger, tons of energy, no cravings for sweets, high overall feeling of well being.

    It makes me enjoy cutting.
  16. Hmn


    All the people I know that have trained with me seem to think its common knowlegde that smoking has a near disolving effect on muscles!! I think it appeared on a UK documentary a number of years ago. Has anyone else heard about this??

  17. Quote Originally Posted by Assertive_guy
    All the people I know that have trained with me seem to think its common knowlegde that smoking has a near disolving effect on muscles!! I think it appeared on a UK documentary a number of years ago. Has anyone else heard about this??

    Disolving effect on muscles?

    Oh dear god.

    Nicotine is phenomenal for keeping muscle on a cut.

    I don't feel like finding the link, but go over to www.mindandmuscle.com and in the previous issues there is an article on nicotine.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by Assertive_guy
    All the people I know that have trained with me seem to think its common knowlegde that smoking has a near disolving effect on muscles!! I think it appeared on a UK documentary a number of years ago. Has anyone else heard about this??

    That's rediculous.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by Lonny
    Disolving effect on muscles?

    Oh dear god.

    Nicotine is phenomenal for keeping muscle on a cut.

    I don't feel like finding the link, but go over to www.mindandmuscle.com and in the previous issues there is an article on nicotine.
    Lonny,

    how do you open that link? all i get is a birds-eye view of a guy with his arms crossed

    Jag

  20. Here, try this link.

    http://www.avantlabs.com/main.php

    Look up in the upper left corner and look through the back issues of the Online Magazine. I believe the name of the article was "Chemically Correct: Nicotine", but I may be off on this.

    MindandMuscle and Avantlabs are basically one and the same.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by Jag
    Lonny,

    how do you open that link? all i get is a birds-eye view of a guy with his arms crossed

    Jag

    ****, my bad. Its www.mindandmuscle.net

    I always forget that.

    And follow Slates advice to find it.
  22. And I Thought Quiting Was A Good Thing


    Wow, this thread is killing me. I just quit dipping two weeks ago and it is the hardest thing I have ever done in my life. I have chewed for ten years and have been on a can/day or so for about three years now(thanks army). I am on the patches. I have done this before and these are a weaker dose, 15mgs, than the ones I used last time, 24mgs. I have been cutting them in 1/4's for about a week now and only use those when I know it is going to be a bad day. If I fall asleep with them on I have some crazy ass dreams, though. Nicotine is nicotine. Granted, without the additives, ie. fiberglass slicing my lip and gums apart for a higher absorption, it's still addictive. It takes time and you have to work up to it. It took me almost a year when I was 15 to be able to chew every day. I have quit numerous times for different reasons, including getting back my appetite, and each time is harder to quit than the last. Even as I type this right now I am clenching my teeth and shaking my legs because I simply cannot write without a dip.

    If you guys can do this without getting addicted that's all you. I just think there are better ways to go about fat loss than nicotine. Hell, I can't even do EC right now because the anxiety makes me want to chew so badly. Come May when I'm on cut I might consider what you guys are saying because I do know what you are saying to be true. I just would rather try some alternatives first.

  23. Honestly, B&P, I'd give it longer than May before you try nicotine in any form. It's a tough addiction to get over. I quit smoking 6 years ago, and it was a bitch. I'd banish the thought for now - just forget about it until you've been completely nicotine free for a year. It's a good cutting aid, but it's not worth sliding back into dipping or smoking.

    Quote Originally Posted by BingeAndPurge
    Wow, this thread is killing me. I just quit dipping two weeks ago and it is the hardest thing I have ever done in my life. I have chewed for ten years and have been on a can/day or so for about three years now(thanks army). I am on the patches. I have done this before and these are a weaker dose, 15mgs, than the ones I used last time, 24mgs. I have been cutting them in 1/4's for about a week now and only use those when I know it is going to be a bad day. If I fall asleep with them on I have some crazy ass dreams, though. Nicotine is nicotine. Granted, without the additives, ie. fiberglass slicing my lip and gums apart for a higher absorption, it's still addictive. It takes time and you have to work up to it. It took me almost a year when I was 15 to be able to chew every day. I have quit numerous times for different reasons, including getting back my appetite, and each time is harder to quit than the last. Even as I type this right now I am clenching my teeth and shaking my legs because I simply cannot write without a dip.

    If you guys can do this without getting addicted that's all you. I just think there are better ways to go about fat loss than nicotine. Hell, I can't even do EC right now because the anxiety makes me want to chew so badly. Come May when I'm on cut I might consider what you guys are saying because I do know what you are saying to be true. I just would rather try some alternatives first.

  24. Personally i don't have an addictive personality so its relatively easy for me to just drop the gum all together.

    The benefits of the gum is that its timed release based on your chewing, and isn't instantly put into your bloodstream as you would from a cigarette, or via dip, so its not really an instant "buzz" but rather a drawn out relaxing or calming feeling. I can see how that would be addictive, although i don't think its any more addictive than a morning coffee, or sugar rush after a big meal.

    Near the end of my last cut, i had completely desensitized my nicotine receptors, and the only effect i noticed from the gum was the appetite supression.

  25. I agree with you about the slow release of nicotine, it's NOT like a smoke. I have to mention the coffee thing though - I find my morning coffee much more addictive than nicotine gum, I'll admit I'm a caffiene addict!

    Quote Originally Posted by Lonny
    Personally i don't have an addictive personality so its relatively easy for me to just drop the gum all together.

    The benefits of the gum is that its timed release based on your chewing, and isn't instantly put into your bloodstream as you would from a cigarette, or via dip, so its not really an instant "buzz" but rather a drawn out relaxing or calming feeling. I can see how that would be addictive, although i don't think its any more addictive than a morning coffee, or sugar rush after a big meal.

    Near the end of my last cut, i had completely desensitized my nicotine receptors, and the only effect i noticed from the gum was the appetite supression.

  26. the appetite supression would be my main reason for it's use for me and it's really working well so far.

    i actually can't even be around cigarette smoke any more. i get real congested in the chest which can even last for a cuppla days so i think it's a foreign substance to me now.

    i have every confidence in myself that i would never return to smoking...............which is a real nice feeling

    Jag

  27. Quote Originally Posted by SlateDrake
    You can use the patch, gum or the tablets, there is no need to chew.
    **** all that, just smoke it's more fun!!!!

  28. Quote Originally Posted by Jag
    the appetite supression would be my main reason for it's use for me and it's really working well so far.

    i actually can't even be around cigarette smoke any more. i get real congested in the chest which can even last for a cuppla days so i think it's a foreign substance to me now.

    i have every confidence in myself that i would never return to smoking...............which is a real nice feeling

    Jag

    Since i started dipping, or chewing nicotine gum, i also have found cigarette smoke unbearable. I wonder how i even inhaled it. I won't touch a cigarette anymore unless im very very drunk, and have no nicorette or chew.

  29. Quote Originally Posted by BingeAndPurge
    Wow, this thread is killing me. I just quit dipping two weeks ago and it is the hardest thing I have ever done in my life. I have chewed for ten years and have been on a can/day or so for about three years now(thanks army). I am on the patches. I have done this before and these are a weaker dose, 15mgs, than the ones I used last time, 24mgs. I have been cutting them in 1/4's for about a week now and only use those when I know it is going to be a bad day. If I fall asleep with them on I have some crazy ass dreams, though. Nicotine is nicotine. Granted, without the additives, ie. fiberglass slicing my lip and gums apart for a higher absorption, it's still addictive. It takes time and you have to work up to it. It took me almost a year when I was 15 to be able to chew every day. I have quit numerous times for different reasons, including getting back my appetite, and each time is harder to quit than the last. Even as I type this right now I am clenching my teeth and shaking my legs because I simply cannot write without a dip.

    If you guys can do this without getting addicted that's all you. I just think there are better ways to go about fat loss than nicotine. Hell, I can't even do EC right now because the anxiety makes me want to chew so badly. Come May when I'm on cut I might consider what you guys are saying because I do know what you are saying to be true. I just would rather try some alternatives first.
    Id look into Wellbutrin (Bioprion sp?) if its real bad for you bro. Prescribed for depression and for quitting smoking. Works on one's dopamine. Cuts appetite good, makes cigarettes taste like ****, and has the added bene of being a very effective cutting tool. Need a script though or order overseas.
  

  
 

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