memory supp?

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  1. Here is what you need:
    Ginko >> circulation >> it's not expensive
    Bacopa Manierri >> Memory enhancer >> can get a good extract pretty cheap
    Fish Oil >> Will help your entire body
    DMAE >> cheap and you only need a small dose
    ALCAR >> for memory you only need small dose, which would be cheap at nutra
    Gotu Kola >> will help circulation as well
    Choline >> Alpha GPC is a high quality one, but it's expensive >> need small dose as well
    Vinpocetine & Huperzia are also helpful for memory
    Phosphatidylserine >> This will help with stress and protect your brain cells from damage. Used to be pricey, but you only need like 100mg per day to feel the difference, which is not that expensive any more.




    If you look around you can find a supplement for about $20/month that has most of the above, or you can build your own buying herb extracts and bulk powders from multiple sites. Anyways, you will feel the difference.


  2. Quote Originally Posted by touchdownthirty View Post
    Sorry guys. I just went on the site and didn't notice the same offer. Put out a couple calls and that offer is expired. However, someone on this board should go out on a limb and get a tub. You wouldn't regret it.
    Quote Originally Posted by touchdownthirty View Post
    Neuro 1

    I am a performance trainer to Michael Guasch, a professional formula 1 car driver. He works across the street from Bill Romanowski and I train them together out in Benicia, California. While training Bill he kept bringing up his supplement line (Nutrition 53) and he gave me a few samples and I was blown away. I never really rave about supps but hearing him talk about his formula and company standards made me optimistic enough to give it a shot and I'm so glad I did.

    So, go to nutrition53.com. And if MY memory serves me well then you can get a tub of it for free...of course you pay the 8 bucks or what not for shipping. Just make sure to call back in about 20days and tell them to not send you anymore (unless you opt to pay the $80 a month for it) and you're home free. This stuff is great and worth the money. Lots of stars take it and ha....even mr john mccain uses it daily!
    Sorry bro, but that supplement is wayyyyy too over priced. The most I would be willing to pay for it is between $30-$40. The ingredients are pretty standard and you can easily build your own for much much less. I am glad it works for you, but it's perhaps because you have done enough damage to your brain and you lead a stressfull life.

    Guys, don't get ripped off on that website...and besides that only nutraplanet is a valid recommendation at this forum.
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  3. Another cheap nootropic to add to your list is lecithin. It is a great source of phosphatidyl choline and inositol.
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  4. Quote Originally Posted by thesinner View Post
    Another cheap nootropic to add to your list is lecithin. It is a great source of phosphatidyl choline and inositol.
    Good call bro...Licithin Granules is a good source. Mix it with your protein and you are good to go.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by Stenny View Post
    aniracetam appears to be the favorite of our customers versus piracetam and oxiracetam....there was a problem with supply issues recently but we have now gotten a shipment of aniracetam (one of the very few) at dealsinbulk
    But of course. All 3 derivatives have pretty much the same pharmaco-K, but ani is more than double the potency of either of the other two.

    I never quite understood why people even buy oxi, comparing costs to what the research says its potency is, it's not very cost-effective.
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  6. Guys I don't believe anyone's personal experiences of taking products due to the placebo effect. I want to see a clinical trial containing a jadad score of 4 or better that supports a memory enhancement supplement and I’ll change my mind about memory enhancement supplements.

    Granted, there has been studies that state there may be a correlation between improvement due to supplementation, but the correlation is weak. Significant, silver-bullet studies have not been reported.

    Ironaddict, what's the jadad on that Australian study? Also, I'm not going to believe an article posted on piracetam.com which is linked to a supplement selling company.... Obviously they will state positive results from their supplements, they're selling the product. Power of the internet is weak at times because companies try to sell their product.

    I am interested to see a clinical trial from a medical database supporting supplementation of phosphatidyl-serine, ginko biloba(any part of the plant), inositol, or choline. I don't mind if I am proven wrong. I like to learn about new information based on legitimate, clinical trails. I think I can speak for everyone; I would rather not waste my money on supplements if they don’t work.

    The general consensus from my professors was that "no supplement can be taken to enhance memory." I believe University of Florida hires extremely knowledgeable professors.

    I took phoshatidyl-serine as a personal experiment while I was dieting for a show. At 150mg a day, I did not see an enhancement in memory. I barely remember how I cut the last week before the show.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by SpicyTuna View Post
    I took phoshatidyl-serine as a personal experiment while I was dieting for a show. At 150mg a day, I did not see an enhancement in memory. I barely remember how I cut the last week before the show.
    That is very surprising to me. I'm not calling you a liar by any means...but phosphatidylserine has worked very well for me in this respect and that is one study not linked to any sales for anyone.

    Maybe because you use 150mg a day and I am using 1000mg a day. Please also remember that not all supplement companies are created equal. I've used a product from one company and gotten zero results and then the same product by another company with a great deal of change.
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  8. Quote Originally Posted by SpicyTuna View Post
    Guys I don't believe anyone's personal experiences of taking products due to the placebo effect. I want to see a clinical trial containing a jadad score of 4 or better that supports a memory enhancement supplement and Iíll change my mind about memory enhancement supplements.

    Granted, there has been studies that state there may be a correlation between improvement due to supplementation, but the correlation is weak. Significant, silver-bullet studies have not been reported.

    Ironaddict, what's the jadad on that Australian study? Also, I'm not going to believe an article posted on piracetam.com which is linked to a supplement selling company.... Obviously they will state positive results from their supplements, they're selling the product. Power of the internet is weak at times because companies try to sell their product.

    I am interested to see a clinical trial from a medical database supporting supplementation of phosphatidyl-serine, ginko biloba(any part of the plant), inositol, or choline. I don't mind if I am proven wrong. I like to learn about new information based on legitimate, clinical trails. I think I can speak for everyone; I would rather not waste my money on supplements if they donít work.

    The general consensus from my professors was that "no supplement can be taken to enhance memory." I believe University of Florida hires extremely knowledgeable professors.

    I took phoshatidyl-serine as a personal experiment while I was dieting for a show. At 150mg a day, I did not see an enhancement in memory. I barely remember how I cut the last week before the show.
    I am really surprised to hear you believe in studies! There are many supp companies that brag of their studies and utterly suck...I am sure you can think of a few.

    I base most of my belief in a supp etc. on 1st hand experiences from people I have faith in. Lecethin has worked wonders for me in the past. Although it takes several months to receive noticable benefits and the benefits are usually in hindsight because one gets used to the improvements & feels they are the norm.

    Lucky

  9. Quote Originally Posted by CTDeuce View Post
    That is very surprising to me. I'm not calling you a liar by any means...but phosphatidylserine has worked very well for me in this respect and that is one study not linked to any sales for anyone.

    Maybe because you use 150mg a day and I am using 1000mg a day. Please also remember that not all supplement companies are created equal. I've used a product from one company and gotten zero results and then the same product by another company with a great deal of change.
    There are also different phosphatides which the serine could be bonded to.


    As per SpicyTuna's request, I just dug up some research on some of these nootropics. I hate being the pubmed ninja as it doesn't give me the raw data or an in-depth look at the methods (especially statistical methods). Lastly, I'll just say that a controlled, clinical trial would be convenient, wouldn't it? A peer-reviewed one might be even better, or so I've been told (having an expert making sure it's not BS). Before you delve into the great abstractness of the entrez database, remember the wise words of Galileo: "Something which cannot be measured cannot exist." Tell me how the hell someone accurately measures memory, and I'll tell you how to test for it. Afterall, do you really think the children's flip card is the same thing as studying for an exam, remembering what's on your grocery list, riding a bicycle for the first time in 10 years, or what day your girlfriends birthday is on?

    PC, I didn't see any human trials, but then again with the extensive research done, signing the waiver to participate would be signing your life over (literally) because they killed them and examined their brains. Acetylcholine is a major neurotransmitter, which is associated with such functions as learning, memory, and your ability to move. Consuming a choline salt or a PC, it will lose its anion/cholesterol tail and become acetylated to form acetylcholine. Hence, it's not to surprising to see how (pending Ach levels) a choline supplement could provide benefits to
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1...ubmed_RVDocSum
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8...ubmed_RVDocSum

    Gingko Biloba. Seems to be a mix of results, but I'm not surprised. In the medical community, there's not a whole lot of control in experiments like these. Could be due to coincidentally responsive experimental groups to either the gingko or a placebo effect. Could be due to various extracts (i.e. not getting enough of the correct terpenoid) or could be due to ineffective dosing.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1...ubmed_RVDocSum
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1...ubmed_RVDocSum
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1...ubmed_RVDocSum

    Lastly, I found this. I suppose one might take with a grain of salt, as the person who wrote it apparently doesn't see a difference between Gotu Kola and Kola Nut (two plants of different genus as well as continent of origin).
    http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/art...tool=pmcentrez

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  10. Nutrition professors at colleges are notoriously conservative, most probably still believe in the ole food pyramid and the over 30 grams of protein(your body can't process myth) they still propogate.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by thesinner View Post
    Another cheap nootropic to add to your list is lecithin. It is a great source of phosphatidyl choline and inositol.
    just saw a triple strength version made by Now foods, a company i trust. think i'll give it a try for 3 of 4 months and see what happens. thx

  12. good point CTDuece, there are some variables in self-experimentation.

    Lucky, I believe in studies because they are controlled (as much as they can possibly be). Clinical studies are "graded" on how well they are conducted by their jadad score. That's why I asked for a study of 4 or better; which is a good score. Scoring ranges from some negative number to 5. I don't read those crazy "studies" advertised in magazines that sell their product. Those things are ridic.

    Thesinner, thanks for the studies. I’ll check em' out when I get a chance. Maybe you can change my view.

    supplementpimp(?? lol), You're right, professors are conservative because they are in no position to be radical. My Mans Food Prof. said 10% of DV should come from protein... yeahhhh riiiiiight. But, this particular professor I had gave great lectures, I trusted his opinion, he was a former Olympiad.

  13. i'd start with fish oil and ginko...focus factor mentioned above has just about everything in it, including huperzine-a which i have only seen mentioned once.

    but i believe the PS is under dosed

  14. Quote Originally Posted by raginfcktard View Post
    but i believe the PS is under dosed
    I honestly feel thats the problem here. For memory, as well as an added bonus of excelerated recovery in my muscles, 1000mg of PS daily has been phenomenal.
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  15. Quote Originally Posted by lennoxchi View Post
    just saw a triple strength version made by Now foods, a company i trust. think i'll give it a try for 3 of 4 months and see what happens. thx
    At the very least, it also provides for various other health benefits as well. IMO, an underlooked supplement.
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