intra products hinder muscle growth

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  1. intra products hinder muscle growth


    in another forum, there are a bunch of threads popping up about whether or not consuming bcaa's/eaa's intra is counter-productive. the idea behind it is that muscle is supposed to be broken down during workout but AA taken prevent this. this is why your not sore...because the muscle never breaks down in the first place. anyways, wanted to see what anyone had to say about this or if any valid studies could be posted


  2. That is completely wrong; it may help to prevent excessive catabolism, but if there is no soreness, then the training is sub-par.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    That is completely wrong; it may help to prevent excessive catabolism, but if there is no soreness, then the training is sub-par.
    agreed . tell them boys to start training with intensity. if theey train heavy and intense enough you have no choice but to be sore.(the muscle group worked)
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  4. I'm sure the ones pushing for AA use wants you to Max-Out, too. Bullsh*t, in my opinion. Sounds like someone isn't working hard enough. Either they need to change their routine, or find a new hobby.

    BCAA/EAA intra-workout is a godsend for me.

  5. I can positively refute that claim. They need to pick it up a bit I think.
    Always open light. Itís not what you open with, itís what you finish with. Louie Simmons
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  6. haha, I think you are going to see a lot of similar responses.....Tell them to go do some more curls on the squat rack.

  7. WTF? Ingesting a carb/protein/BCAA drink DURING the workout is one of the most anabolic things you can do. It reduces cortisol levels elevated by the exercise, increases time to failure, prevents catabolism, boosts GH IIRC, etc.

    Working out right tears the muscle through stress. How the eff is a BCAA drink going to prevent the tears created by a 500lb squat?

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  8. I don't care what I'm drinking, if I'm working out hard, I'm going to break down muscle.

  9. i just posted in a thread the other day that said bcaa's and eaa's pre and during and 20 grams protein post was optimal for muscle growth and strength. come on, enough of this crap.
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  10. maybe not carbs and fat during the workout as blood will goto your stomach to digest the food,

    BCAAs in free form dont need that, and the first thing that gets broken down when you train are BCAAs.

    BCAAs work well for anticatabolism and energy in my training.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by crazyfool405 View Post
    maybe not carbs and fat during the workout as blood will goto your stomach to digest the food,

    BCAAs in free form dont need that, and the first thing that gets broken down when you train are BCAAs.

    BCAAs work well for anticatabolism and energy in my training.
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  12. You can also look at this from a pure numbers perspective. An intense training session burns anywhere from 600-1200 calories depending on size/duration and this is not included any EPOC/nutrient repartitioning. Intra-WO products may supply 100-400 kcals, so there is automatically a caloric surplus/nitrogen deficit as a result of lifting. If anything, these products help to lessen the damage (literally) done form lifting and I doubt anyone will say that a kickstart on recovery is a bad thing.
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  13. Quote Originally Posted by RenegadeRows View Post
    I don't care what I'm drinking, if I'm working out hard, I'm going to break down muscle.
    agreed

  14. Quote Originally Posted by michael3435 View Post
    in another forum, there are a bunch of threads popping up about whether or not consuming bcaa's/eaa's intra is counter-productive. the idea behind it is that muscle is supposed to be broken down during workout but AA taken prevent this. this is why your not sore...because the muscle never breaks down in the first place. anyways, wanted to see what anyone had to say about this or if any valid studies could be posted
    Amino acids do not prevent the breakdown of muscle tissue. That is going to happen if you are training hard. Amino acids do help recovery though and that is a good thing.

  15. Like Rodja said...It's a jump start towards recovery of the damage you hopefully have done.
    Always open light. Itís not what you open with, itís what you finish with. Louie Simmons

  16. Quote Originally Posted by crazyfool405 View Post
    maybe not carbs and fat during the workout as blood will goto your stomach to digest the food,

    BCAAs in free form dont need that, and the first thing that gets broken down when you train are BCAAs.

    BCAAs work well for anticatabolism and energy in my training.
    actually, its kinda opposite. activation of the parasympathetic nervous system regulates digestion and lowers blood pressure, this is what leads to the pump and better nutrient delivery. so a small amount of carbs would be good.

  17. Quote Originally Posted by poison View Post
    Working out right tears the muscle through stress. How the eff is a BCAA drink going to prevent the tears created by a 500lb squat?
    i agree with this 100%. when you train, your muscles leach the amino's from your muscles - that's where they are stored. by consuming amino's, you give your body an alternate source of them - not destroy your training regimen.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by suncloud View Post
    i agree with this 100%. when you train, your muscles leach the amino's from your muscles - that's where they are stored. by consuming amino's, you give your body an alternate source of them - not destroy your training regimen.
    AGREED, there's no excuse to go light when on intra supps, if you take them and want muscle tear just push harder.


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  19. Quote Originally Posted by michael3435 View Post
    actually, its kinda opposite. activation of the parasympathetic nervous system regulates digestion and lowers blood pressure, this is what leads to the pump and better nutrient delivery. so a small amount of carbs would be good.

    but you still need blood to rush to the area to DIGEST the food. which pulls blood away from the muscle.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by crazyfool405 View Post
    but you still need blood to rush to the area to DIGEST the food. which pulls blood away from the muscle.
    there is also not a limit in the amount of blood we have, reserves are tapped into during all training activity. digestion also does not take blood from other areas of the body.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by michael3435 View Post
    there is also not a limit in the amount of blood we have, reserves are tapped into during all training activity. digestion also does not take blood from other areas of the body.

    well yes training increases blood volume but i still believe that your not getting "optimal" blood flow during your workout when your taking in carbs or anything that needs to be digested.

    i get a much better pump when im not having that intra workout shake.

    however something like waxy MAY be different due to it replenishing muscle glycogen much faster and drawing water into the muscles

    that would possibly be better. but i never liked oats during the workout.

  22. I puked once when I tried to drink a shake while working out. However, I've never had a problem drinking my Xtend. I think I get a better workout when I have my Xtend. I usually start drinking it 1/2 way through my workout and leave about 1/4 of the bottle left to drink post-WO.

  23. ok so i have been doing more digging.

    the jissn states that eaa's/protein taken during workout DECREASE muscle breakdown by 54%. i just dont understand why you would want to limit muscle breakdown during workout???

  24. Ok, listen close: muscle breakdown is catabolism. Your body is using itself for fuel, to repair damage, etc. This is bad, and not at all the same as the beneficial micro tears from lifting heavy that spur muscle growth. Intra products allow your body to heal those tears in your bicep, lets say, without scavenging proteins from your quad.
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