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it depends how much jacked you take.thanks D never heard of gluconate but i just purchased a container of Di Creatine Malare from nutraplanet for 2.99 and ill give it a try
anyone recommend mixing it with JACKED(considering the fact it already has mono) or will i just have crazy vien popping pumps that will hurt so much id wanna go home :bb3:
It does have a sour taste to it. I mix it with lemon lime gatorade to mask the taste.so using it post workout mixed with my protien shake? heard it has a bit of a sour taste?
5 grams is all you really need, unless your creatine loading,which isnt necessary.yea about 10g-15g creatine on workout and non workout days is that enough or too much
5g of dicreatine malate in the morning and 10g mono post workout in volu-gro....also have bulk mono might mix 2-3 grams in my protien drink...how much creatine do you guys recommend using on non-workout/workout days
i'll 2nd that, i buy mine in bulk from nutra planet, both are cheap and effective stuffGreat compound. Includes the Malate component as a KREBS intermediate, to help boost endurance, as well as not causing any bloating at all.
My second favorite form of Creatine (to Gluconate).
If you are taking the maximum serving of JACKED pre-workout, you do not necessarily need additional creatine. Otherwise, feel free to add your other creatine form(s).......anyone think mixing this with USP Jacked is a good idea as a PreWorkOut Drink?
Why is creatine gluconate the best?...
The best one, by experienced creatine users is creatine gluconate, so you may want to try this after dicreatine malate.
Well, thats just an opinion.Why is creatine gluconate the best?
Looking at what I have here, that's probably a little off - but not much.got my shipment in tpday dosing on the tub says 1/4 tspn is 450 mg?? is this correct? meaning 5 grams would be about 2 3/4 teaspoons? bc with mono 5g in a teaspoon
Will do. Bump it for me tomorrow?k d let me know tomorrow but as for my workout tonight ill take your word and take a rounded teaspoon after workout
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5 g a day is just a guideline. Even at 2-3 grams a day, your creatine store will be saturated quite quickly.great thanks alot D!! i kno with mono only 5g is necessary per day is this the same with di creatine malate?? or only 2-3 g perday? keep in mind im also taking JACKED! on workout days which already contains some mono.. 2-3g of malate on workout days and 5g on non workout days?
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Not really it's just a way of gettying the creatine level;s up quickly in the body. You don't have to load b/c the levels will build anyway. I listened to a recent podcast where Bill philips recommended taking 20 grams ed of creatine even after the supposed loading phase. He says that people are taking to little with only 5grams. Now he may have a vested interest but as cheap as Creatine mono is what can it hurt.the whole creatine loading thing was sort of just a way to get people to buy more creatine back in the day. Smart idea for them.
Most extra creatine just gets pissed out in the form of creatinine.
What would be interesting, if some phamaceutical company would come up with something to increase the amount of creatine the body is able to store.
But creatine is so cheap now, u really dont have to worry about taking more than you need, its so cheap(mono, even dicreatine)
DCM is in DominATP by USPowders and I respond the same to it as when I take bulk mono. I don't have any bloat issues with either and I have used DCM in my pre workout drink that I made before and noticed no difference if I substituted mono. The real question is does a product like Trinitine actually have a more positive effect than CM or DCM? The rest are just fun names that try to be better than mono and don't add up. :AR15firing:Not really it's just a way of gettying the creatine level;s up quickly in the body. You don't have to load b/c the levels will build anyway. I listened to a recent podcast where Bill philips recommended taking 20 grams ed of creatine even after the supposed loading phase. He says that people are taking to little with only 5grams. Now he may have a vested interest but as cheap as Creatine mono is what can it hurt.
As far as CEE goes there's a pubmed article I read that says placebo raised serum levels of creatine in muscle over CEE and that it had no effect on muscle or performance. They were untrained people but still you would think that it would have some effect. Here's article if anyone is interested. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19228401
I am wanting to try a different form of creatine but so far I can't find the research to suggest I use anything but Mono. i may try 100 grams of this dicreatine malate tho', see how it works for me.
Any recent reviews on it from anyone that's used it? Any kind of weight gain or strength improvements?
As far as the trinitine goes i don't really know. The chelated creatines may help with the absorption. I looked up the albion labs and that's what they apparently work with all the time is chelation. Only time and people using the product will tell.DCM is in DominATP by USPowders and I respond the same to it as when I take bulk mono. I don't have any bloat issues with either and I have used DCM in my pre workout drink that I made before and noticed no difference if I substituted mono. The real question is does a product like Trinitine actually have a more positive effect than CM or DCM? The rest are just fun names that try to be better than mono and don't add up. :AR15firing:
Well the base of it is mono, just two creatine molecules bonded to malic acid. It is just a buffering agent if my memory serves me right... if any of the chemists need to correct me do so.So, even with a lot of creatines being proved to be crap, dicreatine malate is the real deal? Nobodys gonna come in and say "Stick to mono"?
Well people raved about CEE as a no bloat creatine until we found out it just became creatinine in the stomach. So that's one way to prevent bloat.I would want it for the creatine and I'm not sure the creatine would be available or would it just end up being made into creatinine?
We did? Awww, that sucks. I gotta read this. You, of course, can provide a link to the study stating this, right?Well people raved about CEE as a no bloat creatine until we found out it just became creatinine in the stomach. So that's one way to prevent bloat.
http://www.ergo-log.com/cee.htmlWe did? Awww, that sucks. I gotta read this. You, of course, can provide a link to the study stating this, right?
Well people raved about CEE as a no bloat creatine until we found out it just became creatinine in the stomach. So that's one way to prevent bloat.
Yeah......that is not what the study says. You are extrapolating fiction.
Again, thes studies merely state efficacies, NOT that it is not effective or that it simply converts to creatinine. LMAO at you guys. Seriously, if you are going to make statements or post studies...understand what it is first.http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplements/117548-creatine-ethyl-ester.html
Furthermore, esterified creatine is unstable in low pH
conditions (14,15), and has been shown to be rapidly degraded to creatinine in stomach
acid (16).
which study are you referring to that we don't understand what it says? Maybe the study should have used trained individuals but I just can't see that there would be that much of a disparity between the 3 groups. Anyway that isn't the only study I have found to shoot down CEE. And the truth of the matter I don't really care either way if people take it, if it works for you then take it. I'm not going to buy any of it tho'. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19660433Again, thes studies merely state efficacies, NOT that it is not effective or that it simply converts to creatinine. LMAO at you guys. Seriously, if you are going to make statements or post studies...understand what it is first.
I must've missed where it stated that 100% degraded. I must've also missed where it said that it was ineffective. Oh yeah, that's right...it never stated either of those things. Go ahead though, and interpret studies however you see fit. I just hope you are not giving anyone advice on this board. You are subjective (to your own opionion apparently) and yes, I am calling you out on this.You actually quoted my article saying that it rapidly degrades to creatinine in stomach acid. The creatine would never reach the muscle. Im pretty confident that creatinine is not a useful supplement.
You don't get it either.which study are you referring to that we don't understand what it says? Maybe the study should have used trained individuals but I just can't see that there would be that much of a disparity between the 3 groups. Anyway that isn't the only study I have found to shoot down CEE. And the truth of the matter I don't really care either way if people take it, if it works for you then take it. I'm not going to buy any of it tho'. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19660433
And it only states efficacies? Seriously?? Placebo was more effective than CEE. WTF, so that means I could drink sugar water and it would give me more benefit than CEE, you do realize that right?
i can do what you did also.You don't get it either.
"Total muscle creatine content was significantly higher in CRT (p = 0.026) and CEE (p = 0.041) compared to PLA, with no differences between CRT and CEE."
Again, it states that there is no advantage to CEE over CRT(cre mono), NOT that it doesn't work. Please read and understand studies before you spout them as advice(wrongly).
Results showed significantly higher serum creatine concentrations in PLA (p = 0.007) and CRT (p = 0.005) compared to CEE.
I'm pretty sure it says that CEE is not as effective as Mono. But maybe I'm still just reading it wrong.Significant changes over time were observed for body composition, body water, muscle strength and power variables, but no significant differences were observed between groups. In conclusion, when compared to creatine monohydrate, creatine ethyl ester was not as effective at increasing serum and muscle creatine levels or in improving body composition, muscle mass, strength, and power. Therefore, the improvements in these variables can most likely be attributed to the training protocol itself, rather than the supplementation regimen.
Yes, you are reading it wrong.i can do what you did also.
And then there's this part of the abstract.
I'm pretty sure it says that CEE is not as effective as Mono. But maybe I'm still just reading it wrong.
IME creatine monohydrate is king. I just don't want people exaggerating small variables from studies into finite FACTS. Personally, I use a mix of 10g mono, 2.5g CEE, 3g DicrM, and 3g Creatine Gluconate 2xday (total 37g/day) on my weekend carb ups.Whatever I'm done debating this. I don't see where it says that those results are from the 5 day loading phase but whatever. The whole point of me starting this was not to even say CEE is crap. it was to let people know that maybe it's not all it's hyped up to be and to find a better creatine than mono but it doesn't look go so far. If you say i'm still reading the abstract wrong, ok, you win I lose whatever. i'm not slow by any means and what I get out of it is that mono is still considered to be the most beneficial creatine and that's what I'm going to take.
That's what I want to do. I just got the Mono right now but I'm thinking of a mix of the Dicreatine malate and the mono. I don't want to add too many things at once then I won'ty know whats working and whats not.IME creatine monohydrate is king. I just don't want people exaggerating small variables from studies into finite FACTS. Personally, I use a mix of 10g mono, 2.5g CEE, 3g DicrM, and 3g Creatine Gluconate 2xday (total 37g/day) on my weekend carb ups.
I haven't seen it yet, but I am skeptical of liquid creatine formulas. Maybe unfairly, but it seems there are just so many more chances for degredation (ie. shipping temps, storage temps). So maybe this is where I become a hypocrite, lol, but I would just rather watch myself pour it into my mixer myself. I, of course, would be open to reading some reviews(the more the better).That's what I want to do. I just got the Mono right now but I'm thinking of a mix of the Dicreatine malate and the mono. I don't want to add too many things at once then I won'ty know whats working and whats not.
As far as the CEE I understand that one study may noit be the best to discredit it but it also wasn't the only one i posted, but let's drop it. If it works for you that's all that matters.
OT have you ever seen that liquid creatine by species? I know as a whole most liquid creatines are discredited but i've read a little of the science behind his method and it's interesting at least. The very few reviews haven't been so good so far but it's only like 2 people.
Fair enough. Having said that, I didn't make my anti-CEE comment because I whanted to talk about CEE. I said it in a dicussion about creatine bloat. How does buffering creatine stop the creatine bloat? Depending on what answer the companies give us, we may have reason to be skepticle.Yes, you are reading it wrong.
The part that you are refering to in regard to placebo being higher is during the loading phase (Results showed significantly higher serum creatine concentrations in PLA (p = 0.007) and CRT (p = 0.005) compared to CEE.) before even 7 days of use. This is why I implore you to actually read and study a study.
Oh yeah..and an abstract is just that. It states there were no significant changes between groups. If I were to follow that, it would tell me that creatine in general is useless and I know first hand the contrary as do most people.... and a significant amount of studies since it was introduced to the major market in the early '90's. Abstract.
Good question. I think it comes down to whether we are discussing GI bloat or water retention. My thought on the latter, is that creatines mechanism(for volumization, not ATP production) is entirely dependent upon water retention. If a creatine doesn't do that... I don't want it. Now, the GI issue....well, that's a bit harder as everybody's gut is a little different( I don't get heartburn ever, some people get it from tomato sauce).Fair enough. Having said that, I didn't make my anti-CEE comment because I whanted to talk about CEE. I said it in a dicussion about creatine bloat. How does buffering creatine stop the creatine bloat? Depending on what answer the companies give us, we may have reason to be skepticle.
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