- 12-15-2008, 05:45 PM
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12-15-2008, 06:25 PM
12-15-2008, 07:13 PM
OTC, and 6-oxo made my hair fall out, i tried it a few times a while back, im interested are there any products with both reversitol and 6 bromo??
12-15-2008, 08:01 PM
12-15-2008, 08:05 PM
12-15-2008, 08:16 PM
12-15-2008, 08:17 PM
have you had your estrogen levels tested? if so why are you wanting to lower them?
too low estrogen will make your joints creak. ok I dont have time to post because I have to sell a 4500 $$ Rolex watch right now, but search some articles Patrick Arnold wrote on estrogen control how its not needed and is actually beneficial for growth. The only reason you need to lower estrogen is if ranges far out of normal ranges(too high) (which too much bodyfat can cause, eating too much of certain foods cause over a long period of time that lower estro or coming off a cycle that estogenic) I know that ll help do some searching.
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12-15-2008, 08:41 PM
here is why i want one, last time i went and got blood work done, estro was above normal, but not much, now ever since i had pubertal gyno, my nipples have been sore and sensitive, well just recently i have noticed it has worsened, it hurt more, and when i get blood drawn i pass out so getting blood work all the time is a pain in the a$$, and my doctor is stupid and doesnt believe that they are sore....(retard)
so i wanted to make the "normal", not to low/not to high, so i was wondering if there is anything that would help this, and i am thinking about running divanil (divanex or testabolan v2) and, i have read that raises estro levels aswell as free up test......so i would need it for there aswell
12-15-2008, 09:19 PM
okay Im helping you out...
get a Doctors prescription Nizoral 2 % for your hair. If you cant get it get 1 % sold in wal-mart, kroger etc it has been proven to be AS EFFECTIVE AS ROGAINE.(pubmed) you want to do this to block the dht in yur scalp because those prone to MPB testosterone converts to dht whenever testosterone is raised so is dht. thats the first thing you want to do to save your hair get a dht blocker.
6-oxo reduces estrogen(not too a great degree that it'll kill your joints, it does the job though) and raises testosterone . Have you had your estrogen levels(as for that matter test levels) tested after taking 6-oxo?
if not id get them tested again. it took me alot of research to figure all this out you should learn it yourself so you understand exactly how it works.
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12-15-2008, 09:39 PM
12-15-2008, 09:52 PM
yah i ran that after my estro levels were checked, i will try to get an appointment with the doc. it will probably be a while as every one is sick in my town...........but yah, should i buy the caps of 6-oxo from NP or the 1 gram powder??
whats a good dose that isnt high?
12-15-2008, 10:45 PM
if you haven't had a test from the time you started nolvedex xt I'm sure your levels are low or very low using gaspari's novledex xt.I'd wait in till the test results are back than go from there. remember nolvedex xt drops estrogen so low and then estrogen climbs back up....so it depends on how long since you've done nolvedex for estrogen levels to stabilize. I'd say a month or two after your done(not messing with any other hormonal s) and to be sure two-three months after using nolvedex xt(or any estrogen inhibitor)
most normal healthy men don't have to worry about htr(including lower estrogen ) in till forty - fifty years old ,when test starts dropping off bigtime. Most guys freak and think they have bitch tits when in fact its just an extra amount of fat. lose the fat. the more fat you have the more puff you'll carry in your chest. (and yes too much fat causes estrogen levels to go up)
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12-15-2008, 10:54 PM
12-16-2008, 12:36 AM
12-16-2008, 07:52 AM
12-16-2008, 08:51 AM
Idont follow this argument about 6 oxo .can anyone explain my point is this --- if using an AI like 6 oxo reduces e and produces more test, then that test has the potential to produce more estrogen , the 6 oxo lowers that , produces more test so more e.It seems to be a vicious circle .Isnt a new base line being produced for both test and e which has been elevated above that it was before supplementing with 6 oxo?
12-16-2008, 09:41 AM
12-16-2008, 09:43 AM
12-16-2008, 09:45 AM
just get some 6-bromo, its used more to control estrogen and not permanantly get rid of it. nolvadex xt and any other ATD is overkill. u can use it after PH's and roids but just to lower estrogen it's too much. unless you just use a very low dose.
12-16-2008, 03:27 PM
yah, im gunna do hyperdrol x2 and divanex from NP, and the statement i made above is about 6-oxo i have never used nolvadex xt or Novedex...only clomid and 6-oxo....but any way how does my stack sound??
12-16-2008, 03:32 PM
i was gonna say get activate extreme but i've looked on 2 sites and it says discontinued... anybody know anyhting about that. still available on nutra, but divanex is cheaper. guess if money isn't an issue i'd say go with the activate
12-16-2008, 03:33 PM
12-16-2008, 04:34 PM
12-16-2008, 04:37 PM
and what about dermacrine, is the revseritrol effective as a transdermal??
how would dermacrine and Arachidonic Acid compare to the stack i listed above??
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