l-dopa or carboxy for sleep?
- 11-24-2008, 01:52 PM
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11-24-2008, 08:17 PM
you could do that.
Out of those 2 i would say L-Dopa. IMO. but...if youre not tied to those id go with...
GABA - Melatonin - L-Dopa - Valerian Root(which i just started a few days ago)
I am off those for now though because i was chosen to log the new X-dreams. So be sure to look for those when they pop up.
11-24-2008, 09:24 PM
1-Carboxy is 50% L-Dopa , and is also "extracted for decarboxylase inhibitors".
NP's L-Dopa is just that, a 15% extract. I find both improve the quality of sleep equally well, that is to say they help alot! I would also suggest adding in some ZMA, or even better http://www.nutraplanet.com/product/n...-100-caps.html to get some Tryptophan. GABA is useful for knocking me out as well. You could even add some http://www.nutraplanet.com/product/n...e-90-caps.html .
This is probably overkill though: I would start out with ~1g of standardized L-Dopa and then see where to go from there.
11-24-2008, 10:24 PM
mental and steve, perfect! Thanks! I have been using lipotrophin pm, and i like it a lot, its hugely underrated imo, especially at the price. I am nearly due for more, but would consider something else inexpensive, if it were better. One more question: is carboxy easy to take as a bulk uncapped product?
11-24-2008, 10:26 PM
i forgot about tryptophan....dangit!
Also. I know alot of people Recomend ZMA, Could anyone link me to a place it says it improves sleep? Im not arguing it i just havent ever heard how or what it acts on.
11-24-2008, 10:29 PM
not sure of the capping question. I would go GABA bro. I know most rec. other things but 3-4g GABA, no need to cap. Love the tingles, releases GH, relaxes muscles, only downfall is youll build tolerance so you gotta play with the dose. I do 3-4 days at 4g.
Like i said though. im off stuff now until i get my X-drem to test the new formula, just in time for the near end of school and winter break coming....oohhhh yeaaaaa
11-25-2008, 12:54 AM
l-dopa!! I love the stuff. with 5htp your set
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11-25-2008, 12:57 AM
carboxy any day of the week, l-dopa would have me waking up all panicked, it sucked.
PowerFULL does not mess with my mind like L-Dopa does, I got a lot of anxiety from L-Dopa that I didn't expect.
Either way, gaba based products, from phenibut to xanex work much better for me than either of the mentioned products in the title.
11-25-2008, 03:40 AM
11-25-2008, 04:08 AM
I purchaced both cause i didnt know what to buy and which worked better, the L dopa from NP tastes like ass if you drink it with water, im going to Cap mine
11-25-2008, 10:04 AM
11-25-2008, 11:59 AM
Phenibut kicks my ass, I'll pass on that. Gaba is fun, but doesn't seem to knock me out as well as dopa.
Somnidren is the best product around for sleep, IMO. Scivation Knockout is next, and Custom Capsule's Mega-Sleep Aid and Nocturnabol come in 3rd.
I'm just really poor right now.
11-25-2008, 01:13 PM
Grow While You Sleep! The Anabolic Effects of ZMA - Nutrition Express Articles , and they cite #8 & 9. Even if it didn't improve sleep, I think almost all athletes should be supplementing with Zinc & Magnesium since they are likely deficient.
#8 Hornyak M, et al. Sleep, 1998 Aug, 21:5,501-5.
How does ZMA improve sleep?
In a study of patients with mild to moderate insomnia, it was found that sleep efficiency was significantly improved with oral magnesium therapy.(8) Researchers have also reported that chronic sleep deprivation causes magnesium deficiency as well as decreased exercise tolerance. And, that this decreased exercise tolerance resulting from sleep deprivation could be dramatically improved by oral magnesium administration.(9) ZMA contains magnesium aspartate, a highly bioavailable form of this important mineral. Studies have shown this form to have a superior rate of absorption compared to other forms. And the more you absorb, the more benefits you get!
#9 Tanabe K, et al. Jpn Circ J, 1998 May, 62:5, 341-6.
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