What best supps can increase free test while having no effects on SHBG and Estradiol?
11-15-2008 12:15 PM
Originally Posted by DanielS3368
6oxo DOES NOT lower estradiol. OR SHBG. you need to look up studies bro. ive posted the 6 oxo study MANY TIMES
11-15-2008 01:27 PM
Thanks Bro for clearing that up. I had read from Dr Crisler on this thread :forum.mesomorphosis.com/mens-health-forum/6-oxo-real-deal-1163.html
That 6-oxo can drive E2 too low which had me worried.
Anymore 6-oxo studies like this one? :
11-15-2008 03:04 PM
6oxo is a suicide aromatise inhibitor.
11-15-2008 05:28 PM
did you read the daniel Rohls study (not sure on the last name spelling) wich is the same as the Baylor study? its posted, every where im not on my computer right now but its around this forum
the conclusion was that it has NO effect on SHBG or Estradiol
11-15-2008 10:29 PM
3,4-Divanillyltetrahydrofuran technically does not lower SHBG levels. Use an AI to combat any potential aromatisation. Both can be viewed as suicide inhibitors which technically don't alter levels of the enzyme they are binding to. But also realize that any increase in test levels can decrease the production of SHBG. Given this system of balances and regulation it's near impossible to achieve your goal.
11-16-2008 01:52 AM
i dont really agree,
Originally Posted by ersatz
and both what can be viewd as suicide inhibitors? i have no idea what you are talking about.
and any rise in test can cause the SHBG to increase.
steroidal inhibitors cause the SHBG to decrease
11-30-2008 11:06 AM
Thank you everyone for your advice and knowledge.
Have been on 6-oxo for 2 weeks now at 300mg last meal at night.I stack it with Toco-8 and Powerfull.
Got to say one of the best supplements I have ever taking, its up there with Toco-8 and Powerfull. Actually i would rate it better.
It has really increase libido, spontaneous erections and semen quantity.Very impressed in this department!
Also overall body feels tighter and less bodyfat. Punching power and stamina has increased. This was said by my boxing trainer so I know it isnt just placebo. For example
my trainer would push me hard for 6 rounds on the mitts and I would be breathing pretty damn hard and that would be all i had. Now we are up to 8 rounds.Ofc this was after 6rnds warmup skipping, 5 rnds bagwork/5 rnds sparring and corework, pushups, neckwork etc
So far no side effects at all.
Havent noticed any increase in muscle size but I do not lift heavy weights, mostly HIT circuits and boxing.
Also an increase in overall emotional wellbeing like feeling better abouts ones self which is also very helpful
Overall ... very impressed with this product and would give it 9/10. Price being the -1.
Will do some bloodwork in the future and see what hormonal changes it has made ... should be interesting.Thanks!
11-30-2008 11:10 AM
keep me updated, i would like to know what happens at the end bro!
11-30-2008 02:19 PM
Thanks for the rep bro, much appreciated.
Originally Posted by just93
Will let you know once they are done, i have bloodwork to compare it to in the past so should be interesting.Peace
11-30-2008 02:40 PM
If you have low E then your ratio of test to E must be quite good .If you were to lower SHBG more then you would have more free test -a good thing dont you think?
Originally Posted by DanielS3368
You seem already to be in a win win situation so i dont really get the point of your question.I would have thought if you choose to raise test by any means it would have an impact on E ie more test for conversion.
I understand that high test levels lowers shbg anyway .
Maybe someone will come back to clarify this
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