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    I have 2 bottles of Neovar laying around and ready to try it. My only issue is PWO carbs. MY PWO shake consists of the following (which i have really come to like after reading others using same/similar protocol)

    2C FF milk
    2 scoops isolate
    2 Tbsp Natty PB


    Obviously, this is more of a protein + fats PWO shake. I dont believe in all the carbs PWO. Since I dont consume lots of carbs, and that is what NEOVAR is for, should I even use NEOVAR or what?

    thanks for the suggestions.

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    is there any reason for u not to believe in taking carbs after workout?
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    IMO, post Wo, you should have an ample amount of protein and carbs for optimum muscle growth.
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    Just have read lots of info lately. I have always done the PWO mix of

    2scoops whey
    50-75g carbs (dextrose or fruit or oats or whatever...tried all)

    Ive recently been using whey + fats + milk

    Another reason I believe in the PWO regimen of whey + fats or something very similar is this........(by vangut)...

    Originally Posted by Hank Vangut
    1. fat slows digestion and leads to a more efficient and steady amino absorbtion rate.
    whey + carbs will quickly increases anabolism, but these effects are very short lived and shown to be wasteful. although amino acid concentration do increase quickly with whey + carbs, oxidation rates also increased, creating a steady state catabolism in which there is no change in overall protein balance.

    2. fats are needed to produce testesterone and other hormones required for muscle building. post-workout, the body is scrambling to keep testosterone levels from dropping too low due to the rise in cortisol levels (the two hormones exist in a see-saw fashion; as one rises the other drops, and vice-a-versa).

    3. fat helps maintain consistent and steady insulin levels. increased/spiked insulin output blunts growth hormone release that should naturally be occurring post workout.

    4. a recent study compared the effect of whole milk, and a higher dose of fat-free milk (to match the calories of the whole milk) taken 60 minutes post-resistance exercise. whole milk was superior for increasing net protein balance despite the fact that the calorie matched dose of fat free milk contained more protein (14.5g protein, versus 8.0g in the whole milk -an 81% advantage).

    the ideal pwo meal in my opinion is a mixture of casein + whey + fat.


    Quote Originally Posted by jsp0785 View Post
    is there any reason for u not to believe in taking carbs after workout?
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    Quote Originally Posted by msucurt View Post
    I have 2 bottles of Neovar laying around and ready to try it. My only issue is PWO carbs. MY PWO shake consists of the following (which i have really come to like after reading others using same/similar protocol)

    2C FF milk
    2 scoops isolate
    2 Tbsp Natty PB


    Obviously, this is more of a protein + fats PWO shake. I dont believe in all the carbs PWO. Since I dont consume lots of carbs, and that is what NEOVAR is for, should I even use NEOVAR or what?

    thanks for the suggestions.
    You can still use NeoVar Recomped (it IS, after all, a CREATINE product, and creatine is for RECOVERY). It is however, MORE effective when 'taken' with carbohydrates.

    Carbohydrates are important post-exercise to optimise the restoration of liver and muscle glycogen. There is a one-hour window of when recovery is at its most optimal post-exercise, and carbohydrate intake in that window aids in recovery and resynthesis of muscle glycogen stores. The presence of other macronutrients (i.e. protein and fat) do not affect the rate of glycogen storage. Simple carbohydrates are most easily absorbed into the bloodstream, and therefore ideal post-exercise (Burke, 2006).

    The consumption of protein post-exercise helps enhance the synthesis of new proteins, as protein intake increases the insulin response, like carbohydrate (Burke, 2006).

    Fat takes longer to digest, and therefore contributes little to the recovery process.

    If your body is not getting carbohydrates post-exercise, then the liver will undergo gluconeogenesis, using protein to replensish those glycogen stores.
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    So, what is your optimal PWO shake....

    1scoop isolate
    1scoop casein
    50-75g carbs (oats, vitargo, or fresh fruit...i.e. bananas,etc)

    What do you suggest

    Quote Originally Posted by Guejsn View Post
    You can still use NeoVar Recomped (it IS, after all, a CREATINE product, and creatine is for RECOVERY). It is however, MORE effective when 'taken' with carbohydrates.

    Carbohydrates are important post-exercise to optimise the restoration of liver and muscle glycogen. There is a one-hour window of when recovery is at its most optimal post-exercise, and carbohydrate intake in that window aids in recovery and resynthesis of muscle glycogen stores. The presence of other macronutrients (i.e. protein and fat) do not affect the rate of glycogen storage. Simple carbohydrates are most easily absorbed into the bloodstream, and therefore ideal post-exercise (Burke, 2006).

    The consumption of protein post-exercise helps enhance the synthesis of new proteins, as protein intake increases the insulin response, like carbohydrate (Burke, 2006).

    Fat takes longer to digest, and therefore contributes little to the recovery process.

    If your body is not getting carbohydrates post-exercise, then the liver will undergo gluconeogenesis, using protein to replensish those glycogen stores.
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    Whey/isolate
    Oats
    PNButter

    This is what I use daily.
    Casein should be used before bed.
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    So basically, you are digesting a shake that is protein + carbs + fats.

    When i used oats, I would use roughly 1/2C or so with 2 scoops whey.

    I think a PWO shake with the following would serve good...

    2scoops isolate
    2C milk (skim or fat free)
    1/2C oats
    2T PB




    Quote Originally Posted by dg806 View Post
    Whey/isolate
    Oats
    PNButter

    This is what I use daily.
    Casein should be used before bed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by msucurt View Post
    So, what is your optimal PWO shake....

    1scoop isolate
    1scoop casein
    50-75g carbs (oats, vitargo, or fresh fruit...i.e. bananas,etc)

    What do you suggest
    I don't have a post-training shake (if I do, it's because I know that I'm running low on time to eat a decent meal afterwards); I EAT REAL FOOD!

    In the past I have used:
    * 40g Leppin Pro 4 (mix of whey isolate, whey concentrate, egg albumin, and calcium caseinate, 30g protein in total)
    * frozen berries (i.e. blueberries, raspberries, blackberries, etc.)
    * fresh fruit (i.e. bananas, etc.)
    * yoghurt
    * ice/water

    If ALL you're going to have is a shake post-training (and I wouldn't recommend this; but have that, and then a proper meal ~30 minutes later), I would recommend having in it:
    * 30-40g protein
    * 50-60g carbohydrates (predominantly simple sugars, but some complex)
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    great answers!!! basically, when it comes to carbs and recovery- what you take out, you have to put back in, period, or you won't perform as well the next time around, or grow (at least as well), or adapt to training stress.

    My post-wo-
    5-6 NeoVar
    30 grams whey
    50-75 grams maltodextrin or WMS
    3 grams Fish Oil
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    10 grams BCAA
    8 grams HMB (it really works!!!)
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    ....and I love Rosie's fresh fruit idea- blueberries are awesome as far as anti-oxidant properties (one of the healthiest foods on the planet), and so are blackberries and raspberries- they are some of my favorites....
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    Quote Originally Posted by rms80 View Post
    great answers!!! basically, when it comes to carbs and recovery- what you take out, you have to put back in, period, or you won't perform as well the next time around, or grow (at least as well), or adapt to training stress.

    My post-wo-
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    30 grams whey
    50-75 grams maltodextrin or WMS
    3 grams Fish Oil
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    10 grams BCAA
    8 grams HMB (it really works!!!)
    This sounds great for PWO. do you buy bulk HMB? if so where from
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    Quote Originally Posted by rob561 View Post
    This sounds great for PWO. do you buy bulk HMB? if so where from
    yeah- 25 kg drums, lol not sure if you meant that kinda bulk:donut:
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    j/k think nutra has it.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by rms80 View Post
    ....and I love Rosie's fresh fruit idea- blueberries are awesome as far as anti-oxidant properties (one of the healthiest foods on the planet), and so are blackberries and raspberries- they are some of my favorites....
    I like this too. I usually put bluberries in my shake before bed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rms80 View Post
    j/k think nutra has it.....
    25kg. lol. not looking for that much. ill check the planet for some
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    Quote Originally Posted by dg806 View Post
    I like this too. I usually put bluberries in my shake before bed.
    I put em' in my oatmeal in the AM, shakes, cereal (frozen bb's are really good in soy milk), and I just eat them straight out of a bowl- Bianca (my female bulldog) really likes them as well- she will just sit there and eat them with me....
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    just sell me your neovar and forget it
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    Quote Originally Posted by rms80 View Post
    Bianca (my female bulldog) really likes them as well- she will just sit there and eat them with me....
    Dang and I thought my gf's dog would eat anything.......
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    Quote Originally Posted by dg806 View Post
    Dang and I thought my gf's dog would eat anything.......
    she really likes fruit for some reason- no clue why- my other dog hates it.....
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    i use kwik carb from nutra for my post workout shake its the only time i take it with my neovar.

    the only other time i take neovar is if i put oats in my shakes and grind them up with my magic bullet

    waxy maize is great with neovar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Outside Backer View Post
    i use kwik carb from nutra for my post workout shake its the only time i take it with my neovar.

    the only other time i take neovar is if i put oats in my shakes and grind them up with my magic bullet

    waxy maize is great with neovar
    It is- waffles are too I took 6 Neo last night and ate 4 big-ass waffles with syrup, butter, the whole nine- hadn't had them in forever- plus we had no food (wife forgot to go shopping) 20 minutes later- veins popping everywhere- honestly felt like my muscles were going pop through my skin....
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    you know whats also good. adding honey to the POWO mix

    i posted some Honey info sometime back on that other board and it made the thread of the month onthe home page or something


    honey has insane benefits
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    Quote Originally Posted by Outside Backer View Post
    you know whats also good. adding honey to the POWO mix

    i posted some Honey info sometime back on that other board and it made the thread of the month onthe home page or something


    honey has insane benefits
    plus it tastes really good
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    hmmm...sounds interested. Got a link? how much honey would u suggest with 2 scoops isolate and WMS or oats

    Quote Originally Posted by Outside Backer View Post
    you know whats also good. adding honey to the POWO mix

    i posted some Honey info sometime back on that other board and it made the thread of the month onthe home page or something


    honey has insane benefits
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    Quote Originally Posted by rms80 View Post
    It is- waffles are too I took 6 Neo last night and ate 4 big-ass waffles with syrup, butter, the whole nine- hadn't had them in forever- plus we had no food (wife forgot to go shopping) 20 minutes later- veins popping everywhere- honestly felt like my muscles were going pop through my skin....
    Neovar gave you those effects, i thought it was just like a creatine? That sounds like effects P-slin gives you?
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    NeoVar Recomped also acts as a nutrient repartitioner


    Quote Originally Posted by Chub View Post
    Neovar gave you those effects, i thought it was just like a creatine? That sounds like effects P-slin gives you?
    It IS a creatine. But it has EXTRA goodies in it. Like Banaba Extract, which is a nutrient repartitioner, and will give such effects...

    I have the same thing after a high carbohydrate meal (pre-dosed with NeoVar Recomped); vascularity is even BETTER than when IN the gym sometimes!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guejsn View Post
    It IS a creatine. But it has EXTRA goodies in it. Like Banaba Extract, which is a nutrient repartitioner, and will give such effects...

    I have the same thing after a high carbohydrate meal (pre-dosed with NeoVar Recomped); vascularity is even BETTER than when IN the gym sometimes!
    Yeah i noticed it had Banaba Extract in it, was reading up on that the other week in sam's log
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chub View Post
    Yeah i noticed it had Banaba Extract in it, was reading up on that the other week in sam's log
    and D-Pinitol- it is a VERY strong insulin mimetic. The combination of gymnemma, D-pinitol, and banaba is pretty synergistic with creatine.

    Here are a couple studies, take a look:

    M. GREENWOOD, R.B. KREIDER, C. RASMUSSEN, A.L. ALMADA, AND C.P. EARNEST. D-Pinitol Augments Whole Body Creatine Retention In Man. JEPonline. 2001;4(4):41-47. Previous research has indicated that creatine retention is influenced by the intramuscular creatine concentration, and extracellular concentrations of glucose and insulin. The purpose of this study was to examine whether co-ingestion of D-pinitol (plant extract with insulin sensitizing characteristics) with creatine affects whole body creatine retention. Twenty male subjects with no history of creatine supplementation participated in this study. Subjects donated 24-hr urine samples for 4 days. After an initial control day designed to determine normal daily creatine excretion rates, subjects were matched according to body mass and randomly assigned to ingest in a single blind manner either a placebo (P=4 x 5 g of dextrose), creatine monohydrate (CM=4 x 5 g), CM with low dose D-pinitol (LP=4 x 5 g creatine + 2 x 0.5 g D-pinitol), or CM with high dose D-pinitol (HP=4 x 5 g creatine + 4 x 0.5 g D-pinitol) for 3 days. Additionally, another group ingested 2 x 0.5 g D-pinitol for 5-d followed by ingesting 4 x 5 g CM + 2 x 0.5 g D-pinitol for 3-d (Pre-P). Creatine retention was estimated by subtracting total urinary creatine excretion from total supplemental creatine intake over the 3-d period. Data were analyzed by ANOVA. Results revealed that whole body creatine retention over the 3 day loading period was significantly greater in the LP and Pre-P groups (P=00; CM=36.69; LP=49.73; HP=36.713; Pre P=46.76 g, p=0.001). This extrapolated to a significantly greater percentage of creatine retention in the LP and Pre-P groups (P=00; CM=6115; LP=835; HP=6122; Pre P=789 %, p=0.001). Results suggest that ingesting creatine with low doses of D-Pinitol may augment whole body creatine retention in a similar manner as has been reported with co-ingestion of high levels of carbohydrate or carbohydrate and protein. Additional research is warranted to investigate the possible influence that D-pinitol may have on insulin sensitivity and whole body creatine retention.
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