Piracetam

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  1. Piracetam


    BAC has piracetam at a price so low it's gotta be a misprint.

    300g for $7.50... either they're crazy or there's something wrong with it.... or I just struck gold!


  2. I wish to know if this is legit.
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  3. I trust Kilo's quality, especially with something that is such an integral part of my supplement stack.

    I can feel a very pronounced, dulling effect when I forget to take my piracetam.
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  4. Cool, but BAC's is approx. 1/5th the price. Really does sound too good to be true. Cheap enough that it wouldn't hurt to try, but then again I haven't tried the pir. yet so I wouldn't have anything to compare it to.

  5. it is actually pretty cheap by the kg. seen it overseas at something like $14/kg, that was a few years ago.

    if using piracetam, you should supplement with choline as it will deplete it pretty quickly if you are not supplementing--then it won't work for you anymore.
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  6. Originally posted by Craig

    if using piracetam, you should supplement with choline as it will deplete it pretty quickly if you are not supplementing--then it won't work for you anymore.
    I cannot reinforce this statement enough. When I started taking it again, I had Choline on order, but it wasn't in yet. I started the Piracetam anyway. About the 3rd day, I suddenly felt like utter crap - my head was spinning and I got very confused. Luckily, I was working in my friend's pharmacy - so I grabbed a bottle of Choline Bitartrate off the shelf and dropped a few. About an hour later, I felt MUCH better.

    I usually use DMAE (choline precursor that readily cross the BBB), but after Spook showed me some studies showing that DMAE depletes body choline, I started taking a regular choline supplement every 4-5 days.

     

    By the way, stacking with Ginkgo and Vinpocetine makes for one powerful punch.
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  7. I already use Huperzine and Vinpocetine. Alcar too. I already have DMAE but since you mention that... I'll get some choline too.

    Screw it, it's so cheap it certainly won't hurt to try BAC's.

  8. so whats the effect of piracetam--what does it really do for you?

  9. Supposed to really sharpen up your mind, improve thinking and memory, etc, etc.

    I already like the way HupA/Vin and ALCAR make me feel, and piracetam is supposed to be the most noticeable.

  10. David Tolsen wrote a good article in this month's Mind and Muscle magazine (Part 1, anyway)
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  11. piracetam increases levels of the neurotransmitter acetylcholine in the brain, increases oxygen levels in the brain, increases activity across the corpus collosum (sp?)--i.e., increases left-right brain communication. i found it enhanced my ability to focus--to read and absorb it all, to go to meetings and keep focused on the discussion for long periods of time. there are many studies that you can find on the internet about it. it works particularly well with deprenyl (which increases domapine levels).

    i eventually stopped using it because i noticed that i had sort-of a rebound effect on me afterward--so a few hours after that big meeting when my boss came to follow-up about something from it--i was sorta-crashing and not able to keep focused on our discussion. it is good for a few hours at a time though.

    i wonder if anyone else has experienced this as well.

  12. Originally posted by Craig


    i wonder if anyone else has experienced this as well.
    Only when I wasn't taking sufficient Choline
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  13. Dimond and Bowers(1976)
    Found that after two weeks, a group of students who received piracetam(4.8gm/day) had significant improvement in memory and verbal material compared to a control group


    Giurgea(1977)
    The above study was confirmed in a similar study of seventeen young, healthy volunteers with the administration of 3.2gm/day of piracetam for 5 days.

    Mindus(1976)
    Studied eighteen middle-aged subjects who were essentially in good health, but complained of some memory loss. The authors reported that piracetam produced significant improvement in mental performance after 4 weeks of doses of 4.8gm/day

    There are 3 dosage levels that have been used in human trials:

    1.6gm/day
    2.4gm/day
    4.8gm/day

    Add choline to the mix to increase effectiveness.

  14. for me piracetam helps with creative thinking & creative problem solving more than with memory or attention. i love the stuff, but i needed to use about 5 g a day to see results. now i take a little bit less though - approx 3g/day combined with other brain supps.

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  15. That has to be wrong. I actually just bought a kilo from a manufacturer overseas for $150. It can be found cheaper, but not by that much.

  16. I know. The person on the phone confirmed it though. I went ahead and ordered it. 300g for $7.50, no filler.

    In about a week I'll find out if it's piss-poor quality or not. I have a small amount on order as well from a proven source, so I'll have something to compare it to.

  17. yea, i think choline is key. in general, i find myself more articulate--i can write much better on it. but the effect is subtle--not really 'psychoactive' like things such as stimulants--seems it makes the brain just work better.

  18. your price sounds about right--for material out of china.

  19. what about san neuroflow? its got chlorine and piracetam in it, through the piracetam is only 500 mg per serving! anyone have any thoughts on this?

  20. Expensive and underdosed
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  21. I'll have this after Jan 1st, waiting for the approval to go through.

  22. BAC replied that the reason it's so cheap is that it's not patented anymore. Hmm.

    Hopefully Mike's price will be similar, since BAC takes an agonizingly long time to ship.

  23. whats another brain stack i can use? Im using neuroflow but it does look underdosed, also stacking it with 2000 mg of ltyrosine and 750 mg dmae. Thanks.

  24. Huperzine and vinpocetine. One nice noticeable effect from the vin is that I see colors a little sharper when I'm on it. Kinda interesting.

  25. I really got screwed. When I was trying to open my own store, I ordered 2 kilos from a manufacturer for $150 each. I thought it was a good price as there were some of those on-line pharmacies and what-nots selling it for like 4 times that much. (Poor research on my part)

    Now, Im going to have to take like 4 times LESS than what I paid for it just to get rid of it. POOP!!

  26. Update: received BAC's pir powder yesterday. I feel no difference from the previous brand; I think we've got a good deal here.

    I should add that I started taking rhodiola with the stack and I swear I am flying all day, with no ephedrine-style jitters.

  27. Can you describe the appearance of the powder?
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  28. Placed side by side next to table sugar, you couldn't tell the difference. When mixed with water and downed quickly, there's an indescribable, but nasty taste way in the back of my mouth.

  29. The appearance sounds right (noticeable small crystals).
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  30. can you post a link to the 7.50 one?

    thanks

    h19
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