- 11-07-2008, 08:20 PM
been wanting to do this for a while but its to damn expensive!!
are there any products out there with this in it that are cheaper??
what would PCT look like, im looking into something with reversitol........i have been kinda going from being interested in on PH then another, and i like the looks of this, alot! but to expensive!!
wanna run it after i get my cast off because my arm has gotten soft and squishy from not using it, i like the idea of hardening them
- 11-07-2008, 08:22 PM
11-07-2008, 08:45 PM
If your arm is in a cast this means you are not in training therrefore 11-0x0 will really be expensive because it wont do anything for you. 90% is training and diet, 10% Steroids. The 10% willl = nothing without the other 90.
11-07-2008, 08:48 PM
you are correct sir, but im talking about 2 weeks after my cast comes off.........2 weeks why?? because it wont be fully healed when they take it off, that is my fault should have specified when i was going to take it
11-07-2008, 08:56 PM
11-07-2008, 09:05 PM
okay bro, i have done steroids before, i did havoc and got shutdown really hard....i know your going to ask what i did for PCT and the answer is clomid....i dont like hard core stuff like that, and yes i have been training since i was about 15 so i have reach a few plateaus, i want to take this to aid in hardening my muscles again, for i have had this damn thing on for about 4 weeks now and i have 2 more to go, my right arm has shrunken alot.......
11-07-2008, 09:26 PM
Sorry just, simply trying to help. I loved Epi, Yes some shutdown. But muscles got extra hard & full.
11-07-2008, 09:32 PM
no prob bro, i know where your coming from, i never said how long i have been lifting and stuff, but what do you think any good products out there, maybe something as effective that isnt a PH???
would 11-oxo shut me down, i have heard its not supposed to....
i dont want to use PH's unless i need to
11-07-2008, 11:20 PM
I'm presently using Dermacrine. Supposedly equivalent of 150 mgs of Test per week. I'm really liking it & good energy & libido boost.
11-07-2008, 11:31 PM
yah, i was looking into that and 11-oxo seemed a little more anabolic, however i do know its not for a bulk........in case anyone wanted to hope on for that one
11-07-2008, 11:35 PM
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11-08-2008, 12:21 AM
My take is that if the doses are low, 3 or 4, maybe 5 caps. You can take a look into otc pct, no problems(imo). 6 caps and above, you would probably need something more than reversitol. Maybe Max Out by IForce, can do the trick.
Other options for a cort control is Lean Xtreme by DS.
The price is high for something you are looking for a "hardening" effect. There are other options.
11-08-2008, 12:26 AM
do some research on mmv2, it is mild and works great as a pre-workout. btw-lucky, it stacks great with dermacrine, just finishing first week and already feeling effects.
11-08-2008, 12:31 AM
is this good for mass, and whats the PCT like??
oh and why would MAX-OUT be for PCT, isnt that a Arachidonic acid supplement??
11-08-2008, 12:32 AM
buy the bulk 11-oxo and then put it in penetrate to put on your skin
Take atd for pct.
11-oxo is good for leaning up because of its cortisol controll,low sides with this to the max.
HEY beepbeepman23 whats up?how u doing?
11-08-2008, 12:35 AM
11-08-2008, 12:42 AM
if you are looking to harden up, do some research. hit search and enter mmv2, look at thundergod's log. or easy's or hyde's. much better bang for your buck than 11oxo, imo.
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