melatonin and reducing estrogen
10-17-2008 12:18 PM
melatonin and reducing estrogen
i just recently read a article saying that melatonin, if taken in large doses, effects estrogen production in a negative way........does any one know more about this??
how much does it take, how effective it is??
i use it a a sleep medicine and am curious!
10-17-2008 12:54 PM
thats pretty interesting...could u post the article...its always good to share new information with fellow AM brothers...
10-17-2008 02:47 PM
i will try to find it, not to sure where it was.....ill be back
10-17-2008 03:02 PM
im interested in this - sub'd
10-17-2008 03:14 PM
The hormone melatonin is the primary controller of circadian (day/night) bio-rhythms. Recent studies indicate that it may also be the central regulator of the hormonal component of the aging process. It is likely that this is only partly true.
Most of the melatonin in the human body (except for the intestine) is secreted by the pineal gland, a small pine-cone-shaped gland located near the center of the brain. The pineal gland receives information from the optic nerve about the ambient light level and adjusts its melatonin output accordingly.
Bright light suppresses the output of melatonin. Ordinary indoor lighting does not. After sunset, the pineal gland responds to the decreased light levels by greatly increasing its output of melatonin. After a few hours, blood melatonin levels reach a point where sleep is induced. Melatonin levels usually peak two to four hours after the onset of sleep and decrease gradually during the remaining sleep period. Daylight inhibits the production of melatonin, and levels of melatonin usually reach a minimum sometime during the afternoon.
Irregularities in melatonin production can cause sleep problems, lethargy and mood disorders.
Production of melatonin usually becomes more sluggish with increasing age. The total amount of melatonin produced is decreased substantially and the day/night cycling often becomes less pronounced.
Melatonin is a powerful antioxidant; more importantly, it is one of the few antioxidants that can penetrate into the cell's mitochondria. The mitochondria is the energy-producing part of a cell that contains its own DNA. The fact that nearly all of the antioxidants in nutritional supplements do not enter the mitochondria is believed to be the main reason that ordinary antioxidants do not noticably extend lifespan and only minimally slow the aging process. Melatonin does appear to protect the mitochondria from oxidation damage.
Some animal studies have shown that melatonin reverses stress related suppression of the immune system. A number of animal studies have shown that melatonin reduces the incidence of some types of cancer, especially estrogen-mediated cancers such as breast cancer. Experiments to confirm these effects in humans have not yet been completed. Some researchers suspect, however, that the melatonin suppression due to artificial lighting during this century may be a contributor to the rise in breast cancer rates since sufficiently bright artificial light will suppress melatonin production. This does not mean that one should avoid artificial lighting. It is just as important to have several waking hours with low melatonin levels as it is to have several hours in the period just before and during sleep with high melatonin levels.
In laboratory mice, oral melatonin in one experiment increased life span to 931 days compared to a life span of 755 days for mice on an identical regimen without supplemental melatonin.
Melatonin has been safely used in humans for years, principally to reset biological clocks. Many people have found melatonin to be very useful in jet lag and other situations where the day/night cycle of the human body must be quickly reset. It has been shown to be useful in the insomnia associated with aging. It has other potential uses as a natural sleeping pill and (in conjunction with other therapies) in the treatment of Seasonal Affective Disorder and some forms of depression.
One important development in melatonin research has been the use of melatonin in combination with estrogen or progestin. Applied Medical Research of Fairfax, Virginia is using a combination of melatonin (75 mg) and progestin as a birth control pill for women in clinical trials. They expect FDA approval in a few years. This estrogen-free birth control pill should have significantly fewer side effects (both long-term and short-term) than current birth control pills.
The same company is testing a combination of melatonin and natural estrogen for estrogen replacement therapy in post-menopausal women. Melatonin seems to multiply the effectiveness of estrogen and allow reduction in estrogen dosage to about 25% of what is normally required without a large dose of melatonin.
Although melatonin is absorbed when taken in capsule form, among different individuals, there is at least a 25:1 ratio in how well it is absorbed. (One study indicated a 300:1 ratio.) The typical oral dose is 3 to 9 milligrams daily 30 minutes to 3 hours before sleep. Because of the wide range of individual variations in oral melatonin absorption, melatonin tablets are available in doses of 0.75 mg. to 10 mg.
It is important that melatonin not be taken shortly after awakening. If the timing of melatonin dosing is incorrect, it can severely disrupt sleep patterns. In susceptible individuals, incorrect timing of the melatonin dose may also induce mania or depression. Some individuals absorb melatonin much more slowly than others, and some melatonin pills take longer to dissolve than others. Most people who experience lethargy or depressed mood after taking melatonin are experiencing a problem with timing.
In people with Seasonal Affective Disorder (SAD) or Delayed Sleep Phase Syndrome (DSPS) a therapy that is often quite effective is the combination of bright light to suppress melatonin at one end of the 24-hour cycle and oral melatonin at the opposite end of the cycle. Melatonin alone is not effective in Seasonal Affective Disorder, and may even make the problem worse.
(SAD is usually manifested by lethargy or depression in the winter. Those with DSPS are night-owls in the extreme, with natural sleep onset times well after midnight and natural awakening times typically late morning or early afternoon.)
There are large individual variations in the levels of lighting that suppress melatonin production. The human melatonin suppression mechanism seems to be slightly more sensitive to the green portion of the visible spectrum. Fluorescent lights are usually used for therapeutic melatonin suppression because they are much more cost-effective, especially when very bright lighting is necessary. Although even the cheapest fluorescent lights will work for this purpose, many people are uncomfortable with ordinary fluorescent lighting. This problem can usually be alleviated by using a broad spectrum light to reduce perceived glare and a high-frequency electronic ballast to eliminate flicker.
Propanolol (Inderal), a common medication for reducing high blood pressure, also inhibits the production of melatonin, and may be useful for inducing proper melatonin cycling. Many individuals have reported success in treating their Seasonal Affective Disorder by taking propanolol in the morning and melatonin at night. People who are using long-acting beta blockers along with an alpha blocker for the treatment of high blood pressure may be almost completely surpressing their natural melatonin production.
It has recently been found that low frequency electromagnetic fields may inhibit the production and biological activity of melatonin. This includes the magnetic fields induced by 60-cycle household power. The extent of this problem is a controversial subject. The only problem most people are likely to encounter in this regard is when using electric blankets. Some electric blankets surround an individual with sufficient low-frequency electromagnetic fields that melatonin may be inhibited exactly when it is needed most. All of the newer electric blankets on the market, though, have been specifically designed to minimize this problem.
Virtually all of the melatonin supplements sold in the United States use pure synthetic melatonin mixed with an inert substance such as micronized cellulose. In the past, some of the melatonin supplements sold in Europe have reportedly been made from the pineal glands of cattle. (I have some doubts about the accuracy of those reports.) This "natural" melatonin has caused some concern because many European cattle have been afflicted with slow acting viral infections of the brain. Many of these "slow viruses" are difficult to kill with conventional sterilization methods used on glandular tissue. So far, there have been no reported cases of viral brain diseases in humans taking European melatonin supplements, but there is a very real risk in using the "natural" product.
No significant adverse effects of synthetic melatonin supplements have been reported. Animal experiments, however, indicated a somewhat shortened life span if regular supplementation is begun when the animals are too young. This suggests it may be unwise for persons under about age 35 to use melatonin every night. There seems to be no problem with occasional use, though, by adults of any age.
Several books were published during 1995 that provide an excellent overview of melatonin and information about the practical aspects of using melatonin supplements. Four of the best books are listed below. All four books also contain numerous references to the scientific studies reported in medical journals. Anyone planning to use melatonin supplements on a regular basis should purchase and read at least one of these books.
(In my opinion, the Reiter & Robinson book is the best. The Pierpaoli & Regelson book reports on anti-aging studies that are potentially the most important, but these studies leave many important unanswered questions.)
Melatonin: Your Body's Natural Wonder Drug by Russel J. Reiter, Ph.D. and Jo Robinson. [Bantam Books] 1995.
Melatonin: Nature's Sleeping Pill by Ray Sahelian, M.D. [Be Happier Press, P.O. Box 12619, Marina Del Rey, CA 90295.] 1995.
The Melatonin Miracle by Walter Pierpaoli, M.D. and William Regelson, M.D. [Simon & Schuster] 1995
Stay Young the Melatonin Way by Steven J. Bock, M.D. [Dutton, division of Penguin Books] 1995.
10-17-2008 03:28 PM
Melatonin increases prolactin
Recently we completed a study designed to investigate the effect of melatonin administration (10 mg) at 1300 on menstrual characteristics, prolactin, and premenstrual syndrome-like symptoms during a simulated eastward deployment. Bright lights were utilized to simulate eastward movement across six time zones. During analysis of biochemical results, we made the fortuitous discovery that melatonin appears to alleviate the stress associated with the in-house simulated deployment. The study was double blind and placebo controlled. Melatonin was given to healthy females for 5 consecutive days during the late follicular and early luteal phases of the menstrual cycle. Volunteers spent 24 hours in the hospital before entering the dose administration phase of the study and again on the last dose day. On those 2 days, hourly blood samples were collected from an in-dwelling catheter and were used for analysis of melatonin and prolactin. Volunteers also completed a profile of moods state questionnaire upon waking on each of 8 days which overlapped the in-house dose administration days. The placebo group showed a prolactin peak at 1300 on the last dose day/blood draw, while the melatonin group showed a prolactin peak at 1500. It is well known that melatonin stimulates the release of prolactin, and a 2-hour delay between melatonin administration and the prolactin peak is within the normal expected delay.
(ARMY AEROMEDICAL RESEARCH LAB FORT RUCKER AL)
10-17-2008 08:53 PM
sh*t! so if i understand correctly it increases estrogen!?!?
10-17-2008 09:24 PM
Yeah that's what I read as well...this sucks, I love melatonin!
10-17-2008 09:28 PM
i know! i need it to sleep lol, i have mild insomnia
but i think i might run "T-REZ".........doesnt it have other healthy benefits aswell??
and does Trans-Resveratrol block estrogen completely or does it just block bad estrogen??
10-18-2008 03:26 PM
It can also drop test production when in large doses for extended periods of time. (3+/6+mg, I believe)
10-18-2008 03:39 PM
fine, no more melatonin for me then, but is it a large enough amount to worry about??
10-18-2008 03:50 PM
You can still use it sometimes, I just wouldn't let my body get accustomed to it/take it long enough to affect my testosterone. Plus, I have to take a heavy dose to really notice anything at all.
I only use it at nights when I've got something important to do the following day, that way I can ensure a good night's sleep.
10-18-2008 03:54 PM
yah, i use 3mgs/night but now im gunna use it when i have to......
10-18-2008 04:46 PM
I've been taking 10mg melatonin for months and months.. no problems for me whatsoever except great sleep.
10-19-2008 02:53 AM
10-19-2008 03:02 AM
I know I read part of a study that said men in a group that took 3mg of melatonin a night had lower morning test levels than the group that took the placebo. Can't recall where I read this or I'd copy/paste.
10-19-2008 09:35 AM
It's also an EXTREMELY potent antioxidant, may be very beneficial for anti-aging and has been shown to increase HGH levels. So there's two sides to the coin..
Originally Posted by djbkxr
10-19-2008 10:14 AM
aaaahhhhhhh there you go HGH is one benefit!!
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