USP Labs - Scam Company?

[mdgrwl]

So one should draw a lot of attention, as I see many people in love with USP Labs, but I just GOTTA get this off my chest...

In my personal opinion and in my experience USP Labs puts out bunk product. I've tried many and got nothing, and it also seems that UPS Labs products have the most contreversy as well. Product with such complex directions on how to take, how many carbs to consume, what they negatively interact with (which is just about everything), ect... that if it doesn't work for you, "its not the product, its your not taking it correctly." I have yet to see any other company have this strategic phylosophy. Marketing at its BEST in my opinion.

Recreate - got NOTHING from this. Could of cut without it and got same results. Every thread I've read shows minimal results that could of been had with strict diet as well.

Powerfull - got NOTHING from this other then perhaps a bit better sleep, even that was minimal. This is also what everyone else reports as well... better sleep and nothing beyond that. Hardly worth the price of admission.

Anabolic Pump - got NOTHING from. This recieves the most contreversy as well... I think its a highly psuedo product. Opps, I mean make sure you play with the timing and the grams of carbs you take for ever and ever, go through 7 bottles before you conclude it does absolutey nothing.

Prime - have not tried, got hip to USP Labs, and have read all the threads where people are reporting gains that could be made with just whey protien, strict diet and hard training. Super expensive, does minimual where nobody even knows what the product really is. Nother Joke.

Its my conclusion to never buy anthing from USP Labs again. I DO think USP Labs is a highly intellegent company though, very smart. In my opinion, they develope products with more hype then anyother brand on the market... and give super complex direction as to how to take them, and if it doesn't work for you, "your not taking it correctly."
Not even tell you how they truly work, or what the product really is.

Let the flames begin, as I'm not posting anymore on this thread. I do want to put a word of caution out there though, and I know in my heart I'm NOT the only person that has made these observations.
Whole lotta "non-responders" to this company's products, hmmmm....

 

[Mulletsoldier]

You are not: Non-responders are bound to occur! That being said, that is an unfortunate experience with our products.

However, labeling USP Labs a scam is somewhat antagonistic and far-fetched; in fact, if you would have simply contacted me directly, I would have worked with you to potentially alleviate your non-response. This, though, is in the past - thank you for sharing.

 

[poison]

I don't really like them either, but Super Cissus is the ****, and PSlin works. PowerFull and AP, not so much for me. For every post like this, there are 5 (or 50) on the other side of the fence.

Certainly doesn't keep me up at night.

 

[hardknock]

all bs and jokes aside, in all seriousness, why not just quit buying the product and never post this thread.

I'm sure there are enough people with the same opinion as to not have to post this thread. however, it is freedom of speech ... just curious as to why...

the only product I praised were yg...at this point, my trial run of prime has just started so I have a ways to go before I can speak on that.

pf was pretty good for me...came off cycle(in 06) and kept nearly all my gains. of course pf was taken with a serm, but it definitely helped in the way they mentioned it would....honestly, I have no idea why people jump to buy so many products just to get that inch/edge...never knew we had so many world class competitors on the board.....? pfffht

 

[FrankJ]

I think thats a little harsh.

My experience with SuperCissus has been awesome.

I tried Anabolic Pump but was getting too many Anabolic Dumps to continue. However while on it I was shedding fat and gaining muscle. I just wish my bowels could stand it because I seem to respond really well to its insulin modifying properties.

I may give Prime a shot here soon.

 

[ndnguy85]

be careful with what you say bout usplabs..they are sucked in hard over here. haha

My experience with SuperCissus has been awesome.

and coincidentally it only has one ingredient which you can buy from a lot of other companies. oddly enough the one product that works, it has the shortest description page

maybe the first product without the crazy 37 engineered extracts or 23 ways to promote fat loss.

but who am i to say what anyone should do? if they think they lose 1 or 2 more lbs because of recreate then it's their call.

 

[djbombsquad]

I took anabolic pump and powerfull 3 bottles of each. Did not feel much from it.

 

[djbombsquad]

I do have 6 bottles of prime I will be giving a shot.

 

[Iron Lungz]

I'm sure USP needs to hear the negatives as well as the positives... don't you think?
I wouldn't say, "Scam," though.
The same question can be raised to you, too, hardknock. Why even post in this thread? Why not just ignore it?

all bs and jokes aside, in all seriousness, why not just quit buying the product and never post this thread.

I'm sure there are enough people with the same opinion as to not have to post this thread. however, it is freedom of speech ... just curious as to why...

the only product I praised were yg...at this point, my trial run of prime has just started so I have a ways to go before I can speak on that.

pf was pretty good for me...came off cycle(in 06) and kept nearly all my gains. of course pf was taken with a serm, but it def help the way they mentioned it would....honestly, I have no idea why people jump to buy so many products just to get that inch/edge...never knew we had so many world class competitors on the board.....?

 

[ralph4u2c]

However, labeling USP Labs a scam is somewhat antagonistic and far-fetched

Labeling and promoting products with far-fetched claims and BS studies is somewhat antagonistic too. No need to comment, just think about it. :whip:

I have had good results with SuperCissus, all others i have tried my body did not react good to (puking, superdumps, dehydration, etc) so i ceased and gave the remaining to friends. Does this make them bad products, no. I think products will ultimately speak for themselves, these just didn't happen to work for me. I also think it is good to express our review/opinions on products after using them as this helps others with research, and it is also an internet forum so... If you ever have a problem with a product upon arrival or while using then i think it is best you contact that company to resolve any issues. Reviews and opinions should always be welcome, regardless if good or bad though. Perfection drives.

 

[Mr.50]

I gotta say I have had great results from Recreate, Anabolic Pump, and Super Cissus. Powerful and Prime have been so-so for me. But that is the way it goes. Just because each product doesn't make you into a pro BB'er doesn't mean the company is bunk. Lets grow up and move on.

Mr.50

 

[Mulletsoldier]

Labeling and promoting products with far-fetched claims and BS studies is somewhat antagonistic too. No need to comment, just think about it. :whip:

Ah, well, here is your chance to prove that any validation I have given for any one of our products is bullshit; ask, and I will provide you with examples of recent threads where I have expounded our MOAs based on relevant data, and you can disprove me; or, ask, and I can give you a 5, 000 word document I wrote very plainly, honestly, and openly describing our MOAs. Your call - I am always open to discussion.

I have had good results with SuperCissus, all others i have tried my body did not react good to (puking, superdumps, dehydration, etc) so i ceased and gave the remaining to friends. Does this make them bad products, no. I think products will ultimately speak for themselves, these just didn't happen to work for me. I also think it is good to express our review/opinions on products after using them as this helps others with research, and it is also an internet forum so... If you ever have a problem with a product upon arrival or while using then i think it is best you contact that company to resolve any issues. Reviews and opinions should always be welcome, regardless if good or bad though. Perfection drives.

Any and all commentary is necessary! 'Good' and 'bad' reviews are necessary counterbalances, keeping efficacy in perspective for us all; I think the relevancy of expressing 'bad' reviews is equal to (or greater than) 'good' reviews!

 

[jsp0785]

to the OP you could say the same about any product put out on the market. supplements give very minimal gains for the price you pay for them diet and exercise is 98% of the equation and supplements 2%. unless you get into "prohormones" or some of the natural test boosters you aren't going to get great resutls.

I applaud USP labs for coming out with new products which nobody else has. they do research take time to study things and put out products like no one else has. they don't just say hey this guy made this so we'll throw it in because its the "in" supplement at this time.

 

[Rugger]

I wouldn't call USP a scam. Yes there are lots of "non responders", way more than any other company gets, and it's usually the consumers fault and not the products, but to say their stuff doesn't work is a stretch. They wouldn't continue to make sales with the same products if it were a scam.

Ah, well, here is your chance to prove that any validation I have given for any one of our products is bullshit; ask, and I will provide you with examples of recent threads where I have expounded our MOAs based on relevant data, and you can disprove me; or, ask, and I can give you a 5, 000 word document I wrote very plainly, honestly, and openly describing our MOAs. Your call - I am always open to discussion.

This is what pisses people off. Someone says USP stuff doesn't work and they didn't feel anything, then you guys come in all pissy and defensive as hell and say "PROVE OUR STUFF DOESN'T WORK, I'LL SHOW YOU STUDIES."

No one cares about studies, If they got nothing from it they got nothing from it. A dude doesn't cares about MoA if he felt absolutely nothing. Just say you're sorry they had a bad experience and hope they will give you guys another shot.


Bottom line: Try USP and see what works for you. They have tons of repeat customers and that pretty much eliminates the possibility of scamming or bunk products.

 

[Guest]

Labeling and promoting products with far-fetched claims and BS studies is somewhat antagonistic too. No need to comment, just think about it. :whip:
.

Ah, well, here is your chance to prove that any validation I have given for any one of our products is bullshit; ask, and I will provide you with examples of recent threads where I have expounded our MOAs based on relevant data, and you can disprove me; or, ask, and I can give you a 5, 000 word document I wrote very plainly, honestly, and openly describing our MOAs. Your call - I am always open to discussion.

This is what pisses people off. Someone says USP stuff doesn't work and they didn't feel anything, then you guys come in all pissy and defensive as hell and say "PROVE OUR STUFF DOESN'T WORK, I'LL SHOW YOU STUDIES."

Really odd response Rugger.

Why would Mullet's response to Ralph's statement piss you or any one for that matter off? If anything, you want to hear this debate. Or should Mullet just say...aaaa Ralph you are right(ralphs works for another company BTW that promotes a supplement as Magic...so, you can understand how biased this industry is).

 

[Guest]

So one should draw a lot of attention, as I see many people in love with USP Labs, but I just GOTTA get this off my chest...

In my personal opinion and in my experience USP Labs puts out bunk product. I've tried many and got nothing, and it also seems that UPS Labs products have the most contreversy as well. Product with such complex directions on how to take, how many carbs to consume, what they negatively interact with (which is just about everything), ect... that if it doesn't work for you, "its not the product, its your not taking it correctly." I have yet to see any other company have this strategic phylosophy. Marketing at its BEST in my opinion.

Recreate - got NOTHING from this. Could of cut without it and got same results. Every thread I've read shows minimal results that could of been had with strict diet as well.

Powerfull - got NOTHING from this other then perhaps a bit better sleep, even that was minimal. This is also what everyone else reports as well... better sleep and nothing beyond that. Hardly worth the price of admission.

Anabolic Pump - got NOTHING from. This recieves the most contreversy as well... I think its a highly psuedo product. Opps, I mean make sure you play with the timing and the grams of carbs you take for ever and ever, go through 7 bottles before you conclude it does absolutey nothing.

Prime - have not tried, got hip to USP Labs, and have read all the threads where people are reporting gains that could be made with just whey protien, strict diet and hard training. Super expensive, does minimual where nobody even knows what the product really is. Nother Joke.

Its my conclusion to never buy anthing from USP Labs again. I DO think USP Labs is a highly intellegent company though, very smart. In my opinion, they develope products with more hype then anyother brand on the market... and give super complex direction as to how to take them, and if it doesn't work for you, "your not taking it correctly."
Not even tell you how they truly work, or what the product really is.

Let the flames begin, as I'm not posting anymore on this thread. I do want to put a word of caution out there though, and I know in my heart I'm NOT the only person that has made these observations.
Whole lotta "non-responders" to this company's products, hmmmm....

Everyone can form an opinion on the direction of our marketing, but lets not forget that USPlabs started as a company without money but with innovative effective supplements.

USPlabs started by gifting free products on AnabolicMinds and Bb.com(4 years ago) and through residual customers and word of mouth advertising. USPlabs has grown into a national recognized company with an advertising budget.

USPlabs is not an marketing company advertising supplmentes. We are product innovators that market supplements.

 

[VolcomX311]

(ralphs works for another company BTW that promotes a supplement as Magic...so, you can understand how biased this industry is).

That makes his rant a bit suspicious in my opinion.

 

[b unit]

So one should draw a lot of attention, as I see many people in love with USP Labs, but I just GOTTA get this off my chest...

In my personal opinion and in my experience USP Labs puts out bunk product. I've tried many and got nothing, and it also seems that UPS Labs products have the most contreversy as well. Product with such complex directions on how to take, how many carbs to consume, what they negatively interact with (which is just about everything), ect... that if it doesn't work for you, "its not the product, its your not taking it correctly." I have yet to see any other company have this strategic phylosophy. Marketing at its BEST in my opinion.

Recreate - got NOTHING from this. Could of cut without it and got same results. Every thread I've read shows minimal results that could of been had with strict diet as well.

Powerfull - got NOTHING from this other then perhaps a bit better sleep, even that was minimal. This is also what everyone else reports as well... better sleep and nothing beyond that. Hardly worth the price of admission.

Anabolic Pump - got NOTHING from. This recieves the most contreversy as well... I think its a highly psuedo product. Opps, I mean make sure you play with the timing and the grams of carbs you take for ever and ever, go through 7 bottles before you conclude it does absolutey nothing.

Prime - have not tried, got hip to USP Labs, and have read all the threads where people are reporting gains that could be made with just whey protien, strict diet and hard training. Super expensive, does minimual where nobody even knows what the product really is. Nother Joke.

Its my conclusion to never buy anthing from USP Labs again. I DO think USP Labs is a highly intellegent company though, very smart. In my opinion, they develope products with more hype then anyother brand on the market... and give super complex direction as to how to take them, and if it doesn't work for you, "your not taking it correctly."
Not even tell you how they truly work, or what the product really is.

Let the flames begin, as I'm not posting anymore on this thread. I do want to put a word of caution out there though, and I know in my heart I'm NOT the only person that has made these observations.
Whole lotta "non-responders" to this company's products, hmmmm....

it's great how you give us some background on yourself before making these claims.

training experience, height, weight, bf % perhaps, starting weight before lifting to currently your stats now.

it would really help because....

you maybe a newb who doesn't have a clue about anything to do with weight training and body development and think the magic cure is in a pill

or

you maybe someone who's been around a while, had good gains with or without other supps and knows a thing or 2 about training, form, diet etc.

at the moment you're coming across as someone who hasn't got a friggin clue about anything, please prove me wrong.

just for the record, i'm niether standing for or against usp labs, i've had good results from some of their products however i'm not here to defend them.

i'm just asking that you show me or anyone else here why we should take what you say as legit when we have no idea who or what you are, i had a look at your profile and have learnt nothing.

you could have started this post like this

"Hi, i've been training "x" amount of years and in that time i've gained "x" amount of weight and dropped a "x" amount in fat.

I'm "x" ft tall and currently around "x" lbs and have approx "x" bodyfat. I've been lifting for example "x" lbs on the bench for "x" reps and squating "x" lbs for "x" reps etc etc

I've had great results in the past from "x" and "y" products however when it comes to usp labs products i've had no results whatsoever.

So one should draw a lot of attention, as I see many people in love with USP Labs, but I just GOTTA get this off my chest...

cheers

 

[ndnguy85]

I wouldn't call USP a scam. Yes there are lots of "non responders", way more than any other company gets, and it's usually the consumers fault and not the products, but to say their stuff doesn't work is a stretch. They wouldn't continue to make sales with the same products if it were a scam.



This is what pisses people off. Someone says USP stuff doesn't work and they didn't feel anything, then you guys come in all pissy and defensive as hell and say "PROVE OUR STUFF DOESN'T WORK, I'LL SHOW YOU STUDIES."

No one cares about studies, If they got nothing from it they got nothing from it. A dude doesn't cares about MoA if he felt absolutely nothing. Just say you're sorry they had a bad experience and hope they will give you guys another shot.


Bottom line: Try USP and see what works for you. They have tons of repeat customers and that pretty much eliminates the possibility of scamming or bunk products.

that's my gripe about this usplabs thing.

heres how i see it. usplabs sets themselves up for this kind of threads by overhyping their products. people wouldnt be so pissed off about Prime if it wasn't labeled as a steroid replacement.

does every company have non responders ..sure. but why is it that usplabs have a ton more? and even these people who claim that the product worked..some of it is really psychological.

non responder seems to be the fancy word thrown around these days to discredit negative reviews. "shut up you non responder, more from the people who think it works! fine fine..i will give u a bottle of Prime if you give it good reviews on nutra"

for example..DCP ...wonderful product. does it work for everyone? no. but theres no doubt the the product works because of the results seen by vast majority of the people who used it..including me.

 

[Guest]

that
non responder seems to be the fancy word thrown around these days to discredit negative reviews. "shut up you non responder, more from the people who think it works! fine fine..i will give u a bottle of Prime if you give it good reviews on nutra"
.

THis is false.

Our supplements are innovative and require a bit more education so our REPS got out of there way and ask questions for the main purpose to help.

Find a thread where a rep tells a customer to shut up or discredits his non responder status...

 

[b unit]

Labeling and promoting products with far-fetched claims and BS studies is somewhat antagonistic too. No need to comment, just think about it. :whip:

Ralph4u2c is a fictitious character so far fetched that my name isn't even Ralph and in no way reflects the views of Thermolife --- Thermolife Rep.

dude, you're a thermolife rep? that's the pot calling the kettle black isn't it?

how come you can have that you're a thermolife rep in your signature when they are not sponsers here:think:

 

[Jayzen]

Recreate took awhile to kick it but worked well after that, and Super Cissus worked wonders on my shoulder injury. I didn't really feel anything till my second bottle of either, so I can see people who just use one bottle being disappointed.

 

[Mulletsoldier]

I wouldn't call USP a scam. Yes there are lots of "non responders", way more than any other company gets, and it's usually the consumers fault and not the products, but to say their stuff doesn't work is a stretch. They wouldn't continue to make sales with the same products if it were a scam.



This is what pisses people off. Someone says USP stuff doesn't work and they didn't feel anything, then you guys come in all pissy and defensive as hell and say "PROVE OUR STUFF DOESN'T WORK, I'LL SHOW YOU STUDIES."

No one cares about studies, If they got nothing from it they got nothing from it. A dude doesn't cares about MoA if he felt absolutely nothing. Just say you're sorry they had a bad experience and hope they will give you guys another shot.


Bottom line: Try USP and see what works for you. They have tons of repeat customers and that pretty much eliminates the possibility of scamming or bunk products.

Go back, and read my very first response, please. I said:

You are not: Non-responders are bound to occur! That being said, that is an unfortunate experience with our products.

However, labeling USP Labs a scam is somewhat antagonistic and far-fetched; in fact, if you would have simply contacted me directly, I would have worked with you to potentially alleviate your non-response. This, though, is in the past - thank you for sharing.

My response that you quoted, was itself in direct response to somebody questioning the studies; not effectiveness, but the science behind the product themselves. Please, before you begin morally characterizing me, or attempting to tell me what 'pisses people off', read my statements.

Further, what could possibly 'piss somebody off' about my invitation? I discuss the science of our products, more openly, and with more valid statements than anybody. My point was this: Merely go find a single statement I have made about our products in the past two years that cannot be validated by research. I realize that does not universally equate to effectiveness for every person, but effectiveness was not his concern; 'bullshit studies' were. And, as USP Labs pointed out, how would my invitation in any way, shape, or form be negative? I was willing to have an open dialogue behind the science of our products.

Simply ridiculous.

 

[capnsavem]

I wouldn't call USP a scam. Yes there are lots of "non responders", way more than any other company gets, and it's usually the consumers fault and not the products, but to say their stuff doesn't work is a stretch. They wouldn't continue to make sales with the same products if it were a scam.



This is what pisses people off. Someone says USP stuff doesn't work and they didn't feel anything, then you guys come in all pissy and defensive as hell and say "PROVE OUR STUFF DOESN'T WORK, I'LL SHOW YOU STUDIES."

No one cares about studies, If they got nothing from it they got nothing from it. A dude doesn't cares about MoA if he felt absolutely nothing. Just say you're sorry they had a bad experience and hope they will give you guys another shot.


Bottom line: Try USP and see what works for you. They have tons of repeat customers and that pretty much eliminates the possibility of scamming or bunk products.

END OF THREAD.

 

[Rugger]

Really odd response Rugger.

Why would Mullet's response to Ralph's statement piss you or any one for that matter off? If anything, you want to hear this debate. Or should Mullet just say...aaaa Ralph you are right(ralphs works for another company BTW that promotes a supplement as Magic...so, you can understand how biased this industry is).

My gripe isn't betweem mullet and ralph. It's in general and easily seen above. Here's an example. Someone says prime doesn't work, you guys come in and tell the guy it does work and offer to show "5,000 word documents" or lengthy MOA explanations followed by threads filled with positive reviews. But guess what, that guy doesn't give a **** about ANY of that because he wasted 55 dollars or something that did nothing.

That's like me buying a car, tracking MPG, complaining to the salemen because the MPG isn't as high as advertised and then the salesmen simply pointing to the EPA estimate. Words on paper don't mean ****, results matter. IMO it isn't good to ever tell a customer he is wrong about a product not working, just apologies and offer any further assistance; don't try to show him up by offering all these studies. There is a freakin reason people have a problem with USP, it isn't just "haters". If it was, where are they for every other company? I don't think I've ever seen a hater for companies like RPN or AN.

Let me say again: I don't really care about any of this as I have been happy with every USP product I've tried.

 

[Essay226]

I think 1 problem is people expect to much from supps. They will not and should not function like steriods. USP puts out products that are interesting to say the least instead of a new spin on CEE or Beta. In my mind I can use pslin, prime,and powerful and I'm not throwing my adrenals away, plus I do not like the NO products more of a waste to me. We are all different,:afro: if your bowels are hanging out or your not getting results I would switch to a diff product or go right in to a good whiskey anadrol run.

 

[Mulletsoldier]

My gripe isn't betweem mullet and ralph. It's in general and easily seen above. Here's an example. Someone says prime doesn't work, you guys come in and tell the guy it does work and offer to show "5,000 word documents" or lengthy MOA explanations followed by threads filled with positive reviews. But guess what, that guy doesn't give a **** about ANY of that because he wasted 55 dollars or something that did nothing.

That's like me buying a car, tracking MPG, complaining to the salemen because the MPG isn't as high as advertised and then the salesmen simply pointing to the EPA estimate. Words on paper don't mean ****, results matter. Don't ever tell a customer he is wrong about a product not working, just apologies and offer any further assistance. There is a freakin reason people have a problem with USP, it's is just "haters". If it was, where are they for every other company? I don't think I've ever seen a hater for companies like RPN or AN.

Once again, go find me a single thread where I have stated that. As I realize now you are not easily persuaded, let me quote the exact order of comments:

Labeling and promoting products with far-fetched claims and BS studies is somewhat antagonistic too. No need to comment, just think about it.

Ah, well, here is your chance to prove that any validation I have given for any one of our products is bullshit; ask, and I will provide you with examples of recent threads where I have expounded our MOAs based on relevant data, and you can disprove me; or, ask, and I can give you a 5, 000 word document I wrote very plainly, honestly, and openly describing our MOAs. Your call - I am always open to discussion.

Now, please, as you continue to mischaracterize me, show me where I state:

a) anything about individual experience with our products
b) blame the OP for his non-response to PRIME
c) claim that objective data automatically translates to individual effectiveness.

And, please dig up my post history and point out where I tell a customer he is wrong, and/or offer no solutions. In fact, I just gave vikinginc a free bottle of Anabolic Pump from my own pocket because he received no results from the product; I will also be working with him closely to see if it was a dietary concern, or merely non-response; as well, search for Thundergod's log. I just gave him a bottle of PRIME - from my own pocket - so that he may test the validity of the product in a tough situation: In a methyl-tren P.C.T.,

You are making some fairly broad statements about me that are not validated by actual experience in any way.

 

[capnsavem]

this is getting out of hand...

 

[ralph4u2c]

Ah, well, here is your chance to prove that any validation I have given for any one of our products is bullshit; ask, and I will provide you with examples of recent threads where I have expounded our MOAs based on relevant data, and you can disprove me; or, ask, and I can give you a 5, 000 word document I wrote very plainly, honestly, and openly describing our MOAs. Your call - I am always open to discussion.

Certainly, i am always up for a good discussion. I believe i asked Jacob for these studies a month or so ago on another forum and came up short. You can start another thread and link me to it or send via email/PM. Thanks bud.

That makes his rant a bit suspicious in my opinion.

Your right, you unfolded my master plan. I have been here since Day 1 of these forums so secretly 6 years later i can become a rep for one company and rant about another (which i don't think even existed in 2002). :clap2: Come on bro, really?

how come you can have that you're a thermolife rep in your signature when they are not sponsers here:think:

Would you like me to conceal my identity? I like to stay clear, cut, and dry and show exactly who i am so there is no confusion. I think members/consumers appreciate that.

 

[Rugger]

Once again, go find me a single thread where I have stated that. As I realize now you are not easily persuaded, let me quote the exact order of comments:





Now, please, as you continue to mischaracterize me, show me where I state:

a) anything about individual experience with our products
b) blame the OP for his non-response to PRIME
c) claim that objective data automatically translates to individual effectiveness.

And, please dig up my post history and point out where I tell a customer he is wrong, and/or offer no solutions. In fact, I just gave vikinginc a free bottle of Anabolic Pump from my own pocket because he received no results from the product; I will also be working with him closely to see if it was a dietary concern, or merely non-response; as well, search for Thundergod's log. I just gave him a bottle of PRIME - from my own pocket - so that he may test the validity of the product in a tough situation: In a methyl-tren P.C.T.,

You are making some fairly broad statements about me that are not validated by actual experience in any way.

I apologies as I did reference some of your comments unfairly as they were not related to the original post. I'm not going to post in these things anymore as I always get myself in trouble.

 

[b unit]

Would you like me to conceal my identity? I like to stay clear, cut, and dry and show exactly who i am so there is no confusion. I think members/consumers appreciate that.

how do the paying board sponsers feel about it when thermolife aren't a board sponser here?

 

[moklepaul]

I liked recreate, I found it to do what I expected. Albeit I had to dose slightly higher than the bottle said, but that could be due to my history with stimulants. And SuperCissus does work. Whether or not other companies make it for cheaper, doesn't affect the validity of the products effectiveness.

AP was their only product I could never see benefit from. I tried every USPLabs recommendation of dosing, diet, etc... Either I got bad diarrhea, or nothing at all. (I actually have 2 unopened bottles of it still!)

My only real gripe with them would be there "Free bottle of Prime to winner of posting a review at NP" thread, or however it was worded. In my very humble opinion, this draws out falsified reviews or exaggeration, where the poster is more focused on pleasing the company and not posting truthfully. And, yeah, I know many get offended with this, saying "I wouldn't sell out for a lousy bottle of anything". And I believe you. But someone will. And many have, over the years... This argument could swing back and forth forever, and it's not one I want to get into, just wanted to make my opinion known.

I'll still keep an eye on all of USPs products, and certainly try the new ones which appeal to my goals.

 

[Mulletsoldier]

Certainly, i am always up for a good discussion. I believe i asked Jacob for these studies a month or so ago on another forum and came up short. You can start another thread and link me to it or send via email/PM. Thanks bud.



Your right, you unfolded my master plan. I have been here since Day 1 of these forums so secretly 6 years later i can become a rep for one company and rant about another (which i don't think even existed in 2002). :clap2: Come on bro, really?



Would you like me to conceal my identity? I like to stay clear, cut, and dry and show exactly who i am so there is no confusion. I think members/consumers appreciate that.

Oh, no need for PMs. May as well make it publicly available. Once you are done pointing out all my instances of bullshit, report your findings in this thread.

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[ndnguy85]

bbdotcom has a 20+ page thread about the suspicions of prime. it's happening over here now.

you are not to convince anyone not to try usplabs products. people are going to do what they want to do. most people dont think twice about a product if it doesnt require pct. lol.

I think 1 problem is people expect to much from supps. They will not and should not function like steriods.

"USPlabs Prime™ Destroys Pro-Hormones & Pro-Steroids – Rendering Them Obsolete… And Allows For Rapid, Out-Of-This-World Strength & Size Gains - Without Suppression or Side Effects!

now tell me, whose fault is that again?

 

[ralph4u2c]

how do the paying board sponsers feel about it when thermolife aren't a board sponser here?

Sorry i dont read minds. If i wouldn't have anything posted in my sig. would your opinion of me vary - Bunit and Volcom? See, helps to stay clear/cut and weed through the bullshit when times call for it.

Any and all commentary is necessary! 'Good' and 'bad' reviews are necessary counterbalances, keeping efficacy in perspective for us all; I think the relevancy of expressing 'bad' reviews is equal to (or greater than) 'good' reviews!

Yep yep, i agree. Currently taking some quality control and assurance classes. They say that a bad customer/review is ~5x a strong and effective impact onto others as a positive one....as you can tell from this thread eh?

Oh, no need for PMs. May as well make it publicly available. Once you are done pointing out all my instances of bullshit, report your findings in this thread.

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Thanks buddy.

 

[ndnguy85]

cause people want to feel good about forkin up 55 dollars. so they are telling themselves..the product works to avoid regret.

 

[b unit]

Sorry i dont read minds. If i wouldn't have anything posted in my sig. would your opinion of me vary - Bunit and Volcom?

i can't speak on behalf of volcom but i'd answer yes it would change my opinion of you and it would be for the better.

why?

Labeling and promoting products with far-fetched claims and BS studies is somewhat antagonistic too. No need to comment, just think about it.

this coming from a "thermolife rep" is classic stuff, as the saying goes "those who live in glasshouses shouldn't throw stones"

as you'd say "just think about it"

now how about you head back over to your company's section here on the board to answer all those questions about all those great thermolife products?

 

[poison]

Labeling and promoting products with far-fetched claims and BS studies is somewhat antagonistic too. No need to comment, just think about it. :whip:

I have had good results with SuperCissus, all others i have tried my body did not react good to (puking, superdumps, dehydration, etc) so i ceased and gave the remaining to friends. Does this make them bad products, no. I think products will ultimately speak for themselves, these just didn't happen to work for me. I also think it is good to express our review/opinions on products after using them as this helps others with research, and it is also an internet forum so... If you ever have a problem with a product upon arrival or while using then i think it is best you contact that company to resolve any issues. Reviews and opinions should always be welcome, regardless if good or bad though. Perfection drives.

Since you're here, ralph, I'd like to take this opportunity to say EBol sucked ass. I want my money back.


Now that that's out of the way, why ARE you commenting on a competitors product line. Answering questions on your own, when others ask, is cool. Poking at another company?

Get a life.

 

[Kristofer68SS]

I wouldn't call USP a scam. Yes there are lots of "non responders", way more than any other company gets, and it's usually the consumers fault and not the products, but to say their stuff doesn't work is a stretch. They wouldn't continue to make sales with the same products if it were a scam.



This is what pisses people off. Someone says USP stuff doesn't work and they didn't feel anything, then you guys come in all pissy and defensive as hell and say "PROVE OUR STUFF DOESN'T WORK, I'LL SHOW YOU STUDIES."

No one cares about studies, If they got nothing from it they got nothing from it. A dude doesn't cares about MoA if he felt absolutely nothing. Just say you're sorry they had a bad experience and hope they will give you guys another shot.


Bottom line: Try USP and see what works for you. They have tons of repeat customers and that pretty much eliminates the possibility of scamming or bunk products.

This is my line of thinking as well. This is not just from this thread. This is from years of watching USPlabs change.

I have stated this before. My bank account helped USP alot in the beginning. I like USPlabs products. I am not a hater.

I still have a bag of cissus, I bought YG by the bulk, TNA, REM, loads of PFull, Supercissus, White bottles with just letters. Prime and AP.......... With not a one regret.

What i dont like is the Pitbull attack approach. "Protecting" USPlabs products has gotten out of hand.

The MT type hype is a tad much also, but that goes with the territory.

Let the damn product speak for itself.........

Myself. I am very optimistic about supplementation. I look for the good. I quite often skim over the bad, or take it very lightly. I am more concerned if the product has no reviews, as opposed to bad reviews.

I certainly hope you are listening, jacob and mullet.......I have gotten alot of Rep points from these exact comments.

I dont have a solution for you. But, ALOT of folks around here share my sentiment.

Food for thought.


Bottom line. No, USPlabs in NOT a scam company. Some guys will like there product, some will not. End of story. Try it for yourself. Heaven forbid it doesnt work for you though. Dont come here and talk about it. LOL.

 

[SokVichet]

cause people want to feel good about forkin up 55 dollars. so they are telling themselves..the product works to avoid regret.

Now that's an interesting theory. Rationalization and wishful thinking at it's best. However, there are a large number of serious lifter/loggers here that know their bodies, have thorough experience with a broad range of supplement categories as well as unsupplemented training, and have proven themselves as skeptical by nature that are logging this stuff (you can find literally hundreds of unsponsored logs on these forums alone and just as many on other sites). Most allow the numbers to do the talking, and back it up with anecdotal feedback as well. For most of these guys/girls, I'd have a very hard time believing they would fool themselves or anyone else for the sake of buyer's remorse... Check out Poopypants for example. He started off extremely skeptical of the marketing and claims. When he finally tried Prime, the results in his log speak volumes.

Non-responders, cases of diets gone wrong, poor dosing protocols, placebo, and wishful thinking aside, a large portion of those who use the novel extracts USPLabs sells see results and continue to supplement with it. Those logging the use of the product and see no results have my respect and I feel I can learn from them, however, the posters who show up here to say X product is a scam without backing up claims with a thorough log or other quantifiable reasoning... bah, I don't pay much mind.

This isn't a defense for USPLabs. They can defend themselves fine. This would be an adequate response for any herbal supplement.

 

[Royd The Noyd]

Positive of the this thread - it's not in the anonymous forum

The glass is always half full, right?

 

[poison]

Positive of the this thread - it's not in the anonymous forum

The glass is always half full, right?

I'm sure the that goes.

Birds of a feather, right?










WTF are you talking about?

 

[Essay226]

bbdotcom has a 20+ page thread about the suspicions of prime. it's happening over here now.

you are not to convince anyone not to try usplabs products. people are going to do what they want to do. most people dont think twice about a product if it doesnt require pct. lol.



"USPlabs Prime™ Destroys Pro-Hormones & Pro-Steroids – Rendering Them Obsolete… And Allows For Rapid, Out-Of-This-World Strength & Size Gains - Without Suppression or Side Effects!

now tell me, whose fault is that again?

I think that it's solid marketing directed toward people trying to avoid prohormones, if someone buying this expecting it to funtion the same as sustanon, they need to research bodybuilding history and make an educated choice hence knowledge is power.....

 

[capnsavem]

*grabs a supreme protien bar and some crystal light, and straps in for the long haul*

 

[Delta Force]

I think mdgrwl did the right thing... he tied 3 products and got no results from each one... he voice his opinion and I don't think he as harsh about... thats what this forum is about... you get the good reviews and you'll get some bad review as well...

my thinking is if you have to buy 3~6 bottles of any supplement its not worth it, (you got suckered in) if they put out really good products you should feel something on the first bottle! my 2cents

 

[ndnguy85]

I think mdgrwl did the right thing... he tied 3 products and got no results from each one... he voice his opinion and I don't think he as harsh about... thats what this forum is about... you get the good reviews and you'll get some bad review as well...

my thinking is if you have to buy 3~6 bottles of any supplement its not worth it, (you got suckered in) if they put out really good products you should feel something on the first bottle! my 2cents

exactly.

he tried 3 different products. gave a detailed description of what he got out of it. this is a forum. where does it state you can only have good reviews?

i bet if usplabs put out some placebo pills and labeled it as prime..some of these "responders" would still claim they saw an effect. the power of the mind.

 

[jsp0785]

people it's called advertising. every company does it every company exaggerates and you get the dumb ones who believe it and expepct to get the results the ad talks about. do u think 4 out 5 dentists really prefer crest toothpaste? do you really think by working at home you can make $10,000 a month? do you think the shamwow can soak up soda out from underneath your rug? try the product if u don't respond to it don't take it again. but a company like USP have board sponsors on here that are willing to help you every step of the way to make sure you're doing everything right. like mulletsoldier said he took product out of his pocket sent it to people and was going to do what he could to give that person help. i don't see any muscle tech reps on here doing that or even thermogarbage i mean life for that matter

 

[poison]

i bet if usplabs put out some placebo pills and labeled it as prime..some of these "responders" would still claim they saw an effect. the power of the mind.

And if thermolife, or Applied Nutraceuticals (one of my favorite companies), did this, the result would be different?

That has nothing to do with USPLabs, and everything to do with human nature.

 

[poison]

people it's called advertising. every company does it every company exaggerates and you get the dumb ones who believe it and expepct to get the results the ad talks about. do u think 4 out 5 dentists really prefer crest toothpaste? do you really think by working at home you can make $10,000 a month? do you think the shamwow can soak up soda out from underneath your rug? try the product if u don't respond to it don't take it again. but a company like USP have board sponsors on here that are willing to help you every step of the way to make sure you're doing everything right. like mulletsoldier said he took product out of his pocket sent it to people and was going to do what he could to give that person help. i don't see any muscle tech reps on here doing that or even thermogarbage i mean life for that matter

SHAMWOW??!!??


Ladies and gentlemen, we have now heard it all.



:lol::lol:

 

[b unit]

exactly.

he tried 3 different products. gave a detailed description of what he got out of it. this is a forum. where does it state you can only have good reviews?

i bet if usplabs put out some placebo pills and labeled it as prime..some of these "responders" would still claim they saw an effect. the power of the mind.

i'd like to know a bit about the guy's background before taking seriously a thread about a serious claim calling a company a "scam" company don't you think.

does the guy train with intensity? how's his physique? how long has he been lifting and what results has he had with or without other supps?