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    ok these are the results i want what can give me it


    ok i want to be more cut im not fat at all but i dont have the achieved definition i want
    i need some more strength
    and some thing for muscle hardening i saw 11-oxo for that one
    tell me what is the best for these results
    ill stack it doesnt matter
    i dont wanna go to far into pro horomone stuff like epistane (stuff like that is the max for now) test boosters are cool just tell me what can give me this thank you very much

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    I'd say try some Prime
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    DCP(for leaning out without losing muscle)
    and the New I-force max out product(for gaining muscle)(arichindonic acid, icarian, and 25-r-diol)

    i heard Diesel Test Hardcore is good, im trying it soon

    I wouldnt take any AI to lean up bc they really dont reduce fat, a lot of the definition you get from those type of product is from reduced water from reduced estrogen.

    11-oxo is overpriced

    also Divanil products such as Activate Extreme are pretty good as well

    If Money is no option, id buy this
    1x Activate Extreme(or other divanyl based product or plain divanyl)
    1x Diesel Test Hardcore
    1x DCP
    1x Sesamin
    1x Fish oil
    2x I-force max out
    thats about 250 dollars for two months

    Also do you currently take pre-workout drinks, or xtend?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ari4216 View Post
    DCP(for leaning out without losing muscle)
    and the New I-force max out product(for gaining muscle)(arichindonic acid, icarian, and 25-r-diol)

    i heard Diesel Test Hardcore is good, im trying it soon

    I wouldnt take any AI to lean up bc they really dont reduce fat, a lot of the definition you get from those type of product is from reduced water from reduced estrogen.

    11-oxo is overpriced

    also Divanil products such as Activate Extreme are pretty good as well

    If Money is no option, id buy this
    1x Activate Extreme(or other divanyl based product or plain divanyl)
    1x Diesel Test Hardcore
    1x DCP
    1x Sesamin
    1x Fish oil
    2x I-force max out
    thats about 250 dollars for two months

    Also do you currently take pre-workout drinks, or xtend?
    i can get 11-oxo for $34 is that good?
    and money really wont be a problem ( i finally got a job lol )
    i really wanna just do what it takes
    i saw a guy at 24 a bit smaller than me that did a set of 275 on incline that made me feel like i grew a vagina
    and i realized i am not doing something right
    ive stayed completely on the protein way for some months now and have gained about 5 lbs in sayyy 6 months
    gimme all the ideas and products you think will get the job done
    i been looking at tfsupplements.com because their prices seem better than rest idk i really dont care where i buy from they all good
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    i was looking at the i force max out and then i saw the reversitol
    they both look good but is it ok to stack the 2?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joey0808 View Post
    i was looking at the i force max out and then i saw the reversitol
    they both look good but is it ok to stack the 2?
    yeah it actually beneficial to stack the two, it has great synergy

    yeah and ud problay like reservitrol

    but i just dont like the sides of ai's such as that, not really sides but lowering estrogen is not to healthy and it does increase blood pressure.

    but out of all the formulas ive seen revistrol is the best
    its got
    atd
    bromo
    reservatrol

    ive tried atd and bromo, and they put the two into effective dosages. too much atd is not good, and they put a small amount which is good, bromo actually improves libido
    reversitrol will for sure get you cut and increase strength, but the cutting part about it is pretty temporary.

    if you want increased agression look into diesel test hardcore

    for real do
    1x reversitrol
    1x diesel test hardcore
    2x Max Out

    but be know max out will increase soreness
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    who is that hot chick that you posted?
    really hot
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    lol no clue i found her on another forum and fell in love its such an amazing pic

    but ive used hyperdrol before didnt really feel anythihng bad from it
    i did use DTH a while back but didnt feel any type of results but i did feel aggressive i think i just didnt have any protein to keep the gains
    but ill really do anything if that stack works ill do it fa shoooo
    i actually have one of their t-shirts and never checked them out lol until now im wearing it and you reminded me
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    well isnt there a way to recover from soreness quicker
    some supplement i could take or some powder?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joey0808 View Post
    well isnt there a way to recover from soreness quicker
    some supplement i could take or some powder?
    use bcaas', fish oils, and active enzymes.

    A lot of people swear by cissus as well, but I don't really think it's a *wonder drug*. Active Enzymes are where it's at...and they're cheap.

    As far as cleaning up a bit...try Cre-02. A lot of people on the current logs being run are experiencing hardening and the loss of excess water weight while muscle and strength are increasing. Every single log is hitting PR's almost daily. Check it
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    ok sweet yea i got bcaa and fish oils i need the enzymes now
    i plan on buying the animal pak for my multi vitamin
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joey0808 View Post
    ok sweet yea i got bcaa and fish oils i need the enzymes now
    i plan on buying the animal pak for my multi vitamin
    Let us know what you think of it J.
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    o i will i kno ill love it
    so yall think i should try the max out and reversitol
    animal cuts possibly? and DTH?
    did we figure out what to use for muscle hardening?
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    o and for preworkout
    i was using arson fatburner just to see if i would cut up but it kinda stinky
    but i have used the rampage from anabolic xtreme its good stuff but as long as its pill form i am up for suggestions cuz im almost out of it
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joey0808 View Post
    well isnt there a way to recover from soreness quicker
    some supplement i could take or some powder?
    get size on and xtend, also cissus is good, i like it and a lot of other people
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joey0808 View Post
    o and for preworkout
    i was using arson fatburner just to see if i would cut up but it kinda stinky
    but i have used the rampage from anabolic xtreme its good stuff but as long as its pill form i am up for suggestions cuz im almost out of it
    no, try a real pre-workout mix their better.

    my personal fav is superpump 250
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    ok ill get back to the powder then
    size on gives you the ****s doesnt it lol
    or they arent drinking enough water?
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    Bullet Proof by Muscle Pharm sounds really good too.
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    is bulletproof pre workout?
    ok lemme get a collective vote on wat Tbooster to use in this stack
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    For T-Booster, I would suggest freeing it up with a divanil based product. ActX, MassFX, or Divanex are 3 that come to mind.

    If you're going with Sesamin, I'd say get the EFA Stack. Gives you 250ct. Fish Oil and 100ct. CLA. Essential EFA Stack By: NutraPlanet . It's like getting the CLA for free when you work it out.

    Get the DCP to help you cut down, and I'd suggest some Green Tea and/or Coleus.

    For strength, MaxOut is promising if you believe in AA; Not sure why but I gave X-Factor a good run and got very little out of it, but that was just me and I know a few things I would do differently next time (A few Omega-3's, Higher Volume)
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    ok so what we got here is
    max out
    reversitol
    actX or mass FX
    and lean x or 11-oxo for the hardening right?
    and a pre workout such as superpump or anything that wires you
    and for the cutting up animal cuts? and the EFA stack
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joey0808 View Post
    ok so what we got here is
    max out
    reversitol
    actX or mass FX
    and lean x or 11-oxo for the hardening right?
    and a pre workout such as superpump or anything that wires you
    and for the cutting up animal cuts? and the EFA stack
    Sounds pretty good. Lots of pre-WO choices. I'm currently using JP8, many other choices out there thought (RPM, ZAP, White Flood....)

    Don't for get DCP if you can get your hands on it.
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    ok and the DCP
    how about the hardening thing that mine last problemo really i saw lean x is a cortisol control but not alot about hardening and thats what 11-oxo highlights not really sure what to do
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    id say try some cell-tech but let's be serious for a minute
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    Where is tha X Factor!
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    idk you tell meeee!
    i need the input from the big bundle of wisdom this forum holds
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    why buy all those supplements. Buy 2 bottles of 11oxo and run 6 caps for 4 weeks. you will lean up, get stronger, more vascular, and ur muscles will be rock hard. 11oxo worked the best for me by far as a fat loss product. It can be suppressive, some get suppressed others do not. Just run a bottle of 6-oxo when ur done. or even better pick up some bulk trione just 5gr, and some penetrate and make a trasdermal with the 6oxo. run it for 4-6 weeks and you will keep gaining. i had some nice results with that. total cost will be a little over $100. nutraplanet has everyhting u need but the trione powder google that and u will find a place that sells it.
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    hey bro, i know you want a quick fix but suppliments are just that. meant to suppliment a sound training and nutrition regimen. i dont know you or your training/recovery regimine but i would get everything else in order first. dont seek the easy path to strength and health(hard work,good food,hydration and rest). i was the same way not more than a year or so ago,spending $$$ on supps. adjust your diet and training according to your goals.
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    o dude lol i work my ass off
    protein is my life and carbssss
    i workout 4-5 days a week at least a miles worth of cardio a day and basketball for fun
    i got an 8 pack!! lol i reallyy doooo
    im a beast but its time to upgrade the beast lol
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    ok how about maxout and 11-oxo do i need something else besides pre workout
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    Quote Originally Posted by jjohn View Post
    Where is tha X Factor!
    hes taking max out which has x-factor in it
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    yea ok this is the stack its max out reversitol 11-oxo and i need a test booster preferably a divanil based booster what is the cheapest one?
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    or do i even need a test booster?
    look up all the products someone plzzz to make sure they dont conflict with each other
    so far none have same ingredients
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joey0808 View Post
    or do i even need a test booster?
    look up all the products someone plzzz to make sure they dont conflict with each other
    so far none have same ingredients
    You will keep having different opinions poping up in this thread. Please, please, make up a list, plan some ideas, and ask. Now all you're asking for is so vague everyone just lists something new. You probably are pretty confused now.. lol...

    What do you want to achieve?
    What is your diet like?
    What is your training like?

    Tell me that in a paragraph, and I'll do my best to help you out. If you listen to everyone, you will never end hearing contradicting opinions (which is fine, but you want to make a decision someday...)
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    ok i want strength size and hardening and some type of cuts but i dont wanna go into hardcore stuff yet

    some have said max out and 11-oxo and reversitol
    thats the main one i have considered
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    why would u run a non hormornal with a hormonal? Makes no sense to me. If you want to run max out fine then don't run the 11oxo if u want to run both i would do it like this

    weeks 1-4 11oxo 6 caps ed
    weeks 5-8 6oxo transdermal or oral (transdermal is much cheaper and more effective IMO)
    weeks 5-12 max out

    Like i stated earlier the 11oxo will give u exactly what your looking for. The 6oxo will get everything back to normal if you even become suppressed and from my personal experience you will keep gaining size and strength. Run the max out while running the 6oxo once the 6oxo is all out you will have been on max out for a month and that's when you start to see/feel it working run it for another month. I never ran max out or x factor but from every log I've read you don't feel anything until the 2nd bottle so 2 bottles need to be run. I have used 11oxo and transdermal 6oxo so i'm speaking from experience there.

    There you have it a 3 month cycle with a very mild ph, a test booster, and a non hormonal muscle builder. There is no reason to run the max out along with the 11oxo. wait till after u run the 11oxo to start the max out.
  

  
 

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