ZMA Vs. ZMK
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ZMK is better...and SGH by them is also a phenomenol prebedtime product...Just read the label and u can tell the difference...
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ZMK is ZMA on steroids
Its better in everyway. It the same benefits, and then a heck of a lot more.  10042008, 07:26 PM
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zma products for the most part contain zinc, magnesium, and b6.
Zmk contains all of the essential minerals that you burn through daily in your workouts such as zinc, magnesium, b6, selenium, copper, manganese, chromium, potassium, and many more.  10052008, 06:53 PM
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why do u say that?
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ZMA = zinc and magnesium ASPARTATE while ZMK = zinc and magnesium as a KREBs cycle intermediate. The intermediates are theoretically absorbed more easily than aspartates but I have no studies to back that up. ZMK also contains selenium, copper, manganese, chromium, molybdenum and a few other trace minerals.
All in all, ZMK is supposed to be absorbed better and it is a complete mineral complex (aside from calcium which should be avoided with ZM supplements due to competition for absorbtion), which justifies the higher cost.  04292009, 02:51 AM
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Do those of you think that the difference between these two products is cost effective? Is there a big enough difference to justify the added price?
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ZMK is good stuff, I can vouch for that. Nice difference between it and ZMA, coming form someone who has/is using both.
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x2. I didn't expect to notice much of a difference between ZMA and ZMK, however the latter helped me remember my dreams for a longe rperiod than ZMA (since I never normally remember my dreams), and was just very impressed with the product. When I run out of my Primaforce ZMA I think I will me switching to ZMK for good, perhaps at only 1/2 the dose for long term supplementation.
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Ive used 7 different varieties of ZMA, and ZMK by millenium sport is the only one where my strength increases, and i wake up feeling refreshed, it just seems perfectly balanced, the only thing i dont like is the tablets, they stick to my mouth when i try and swallow them, but hands down, its the best, and id rather pay more and buy one that works from now on.
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Lots of good info here, I figure I wanna get the zmk somnidren pack and probably continue to use a zma product continuously, and I believe this feedback speaks for itself. I'll give the somnidren a try, since it is a good deal with the zmk, but might be too expensive for my lowly college budget.
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I would go with the MVP/ZMK stack (or atleast did, and will in the future). The MVP is a very well rounded formula and has no binders and fillers (Which is surprisingly hard to find).
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Which brings up another good point and question I had, favorite/best multi. I believe we know what steveoph likes! How does the mvp compare to animal pak and orange triad?
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Thanks steve, i guess you send me all the old stuff......lol
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Im going to let someone else tackle that question, but I just wanted to say that I think you'd really enjoy Mvp365. It's set for 2 doses of 2 pills each time so a total of 4 pills a day...but even on days where I lift in the morning and play tennis at night, a lot of the times if I am using zmk at night....I only need 2 mvp during the day and I am feeling great!
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I've been taking ZMK for a while and, besides deeper sleep, I haven't experienced anything from this supp. I keep taking it because I know, theoretically, it has a lot of benefits. What exactly is one supposed to feel from ZMK?
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ZMA is a staple for me....but im going to make the switch to ZMK! thanks guys
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Oooooh, I like that idea. Cost efficiency is a must for me, and that is an excellent point. With all the added goodies in ZMK, one serving of MVP probably is enough. I know these both look like great products, gonna have to test 'em out and I could definitely for see them becoming staples.
Does anybody else concur with the idea of only a split dose needed if ZMK is taken as well? I really love all the info I am getting in here! Thanks everyone!!!  04302009, 12:40 PM
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Sounds like a smart choice! Trust me...you won't regret it
Honestly no matter what I or anyone else say...your body will determine that factor really. On most days I only take 2 mvp as well as 2 zmk and I am on cloud 9 feeling wonderful. some days I take the full 4 zmk when I really wanna be knocked out, or I take the 4 mvp if I have a REAL heavy/long day.  04302009, 12:48 PM
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One quick question, I thought I had read that ZMA is supposed to be those exact ratios, can't recall them now, but I thought they had to be dialed in pretty closely. Does a half dose of ZMK not give you the testosterone and recovery benefits that ZMA studies have shown?
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The typical zma blend reads something like this :
2030 mg zinc, 400500 mg magnesium, and 10mg B6
If you take a half dose (2 pills) of ZMK, it reads like this :
15mg zinc, 250mg magnesium, 12.5mg B6
So I guess you'd be right huh?...........
OR....you can think about some other things
ZMK has Krebs Cycle chelated Zinc and Magnesium which makes it twice as bioavailable as your normal zma product. It also 3078mgs of krebs cycle intermediates which in turn, boost ATP production. Let's not forget that it has 72 naturally occuring trace minerals, which is an area in which ALL athletes are almost always deficient.
like I was saying.....I feel safe taking 2 ZMK over 4 zma  04302009, 01:00 PM
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Exactly the kind of info I was hoping I would get back! Thanks CTD!
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ZMK > ZMA
That's the difference.  05012009, 01:20 AM