[Neversaydie]

I understand you probably get this all the time. Got Test results a few months back, I'm 32 they were.

My life and profession is really, really stressful, I try to manage it but its tough. I really think stress and previous weekend drinking is the culprit.

Test 312
Free Test 70.4
LH 3.92
FSH 6.68
Prolactin 13.27

I'm 5'11 215 36" inch waist 10% bodyfat, bench 350lbs. and parallel squat 500lbs. never in my wildest dreams did I think I would be this low. I have been a weekend drinker (not since the bloodwork). I do notice my body takes 2 weeks to recover after real intense sessions even w/ calorie and protein surplus not a good sign.

I need to drop the waist another inch, don't want to lose weight but maybe I should just say f-it and drop 5 pounds and start clean get down to 35"

Here is the plan

Activate Extreme, Novadex-XT, DHEA, Tribulus Bio-Test

Could this stack a few times with a healthier lifestyle boost those levels back up a few hundred points???

thanks for any suggestions

[rxp1997]

what is your supplement history, incuding phs? with the little I know not sure if your contributing factors are really contributing factors...

anyway, i would drop the DHEA and BioTest. try the NP deal of ActivateExtreme and Stoked, keep the AI if you want to to (if I were to keep it I'd swap it for a 6-bromo based product like Restore, HDX2, Cissus-drol or aPCT- actually, i think the Restore or the aPCT might be really good here)

Or for something a little different, try the ActivateExtreme with GetDiesel's test booster, DTHC. You could also look at the vendor forums, you will find many quality NHA stacks.

[CROWLER]

Are you our of the below the normal test ranges for your age?

[Neversaydie]

thanks,

Never did PH's, never. Just protien, L-Arginine, creatine, vitamins, and L-Glutmine.

If I could get these levels up I would like to take something mild like Decavol. But for now I want to boost the Test, I am just not sure if that is possible. I am going to re-do bloodwork in a few months.

How bad are those results, and how much can a man Test levels flucuate???

[Neversaydie]

They must be pretty bad.

[AZMIDLYF]

Primordial's Dermacrine might work here too

[Neversaydie]

Oh yeah, my dr. set me up with a Urologist. Maybe I should just cut to the chase.

What should I make sure to bring up. HCG, Test enthinate, etc...

This could be a great opportunity if I go in there like I know what I am doing.

[MaxGolf]

you should take a look at the Testosterone Recovery Stack by Primordial.

[sethroberts]

Originally Posted by Neversaydie

Oh yeah, my dr. set me up with a Urologist. Maybe I should just cut to the chase.

What should I make sure to bring up. HCG, Test enthinate, etc...

This could be a great opportunity if I go in there like I know what I am doing.

If you go in there guns blazing looking to get on injectable test right away, especially if you look like you work out then you can count on not getting very far. At most you might want to throw around words like male menopause or HRT.

[chim_chim]

I googled a reference that showed that 300-1000 is a range of normal testosterone values. You're definitely on the low-low-normal end, but you should at least clarify with a second bloodtest.

How were your blood lipid levels? 36" waist is a concern for a 5'11" guy.

[toums]

if you are stressed ,buy some phenibut and it is better than alcohol

[poacher]

What time of day was blood drawn, it makes a diffrence. Are you getting retested in a few months to see if thats baseline for you. I like the test recovery stack = AI's not so much. good luck

[DreamWeaver]

Originally Posted by chim_chim

How were your blood lipid levels? 36" waist is a concern for a 5'11" guy.

That is an excellent wait size for someone his age and size. He mentioned he was 10% body fat. Any extra waist size is obiously muscle.

[Neversaydie]

Once again thanks for all the suggestions,

Yeah my waist is a 36" measured straight up. I go directly over the belly button. NO BS pelvic measurement.

I bulked up for a couple of months and got to 218lbs. I stopped the bulk 3 weeks ago because I was measureing 38" waist. I since have dropped down to either a slight calorie reduction or slight surplus on training days. Eating celery and nuts as snacks and tons of water, and I am watching my salt.

My top 4 abs are almost out in the morning, but yeah the bottom is still coverage. They say that the belly fat is a concern for test levels but you don't want to lose weight or do it to fast so that is why I am not aggressively dieting and kinda taking it slow.

If I where to totally suck in my stomach with a vacuum and measure the lowest I could get is to 34" waist, thats just my genetics. So with that said I would like to maintain a 35" inch waist so if I really wanted to get cut I would be in striking distance to the 34" or maybe sub 34" w/ just a few weeks of dieting, cardio, and supersetting.

So right now its 36" and if I was to lose 7 lbs. I could easily be 35". But for now I am going to stick with a maintenance diet and try to maintain weight and maybe I will wake up in a month or so w/ 35" waist and still be 212-215 ' ish.

Damn that was way to long sorry fellas. I am just hopeing that was just some kinda low end level I was at and not baseline. I do remember I was close to overtrained, and stress at the time of the test.

The thing is if that was my low end than how much could a guy fluctuate? Could my high end be like 500? I am hopeing that maybe one of my testes isn't working right (probably due to the PE I was experimenting w/ a year ago, danggit) so that would put me at 700 if the doc could get em both running full bore.

I am going to stress to the Dr. that this is a serious concern because I am only 32. But yeah you don't want to go in guns a blazin' give me the good stuff Doc!!!

[ohiostate2827]

stay alway from any soy and alcohol all together

[Big BAMA]

The urologist is going to be the one to tell you if the "boys" are working good. The he will probably send you to a HRT Dr. if they are o.k. just not giving you enough natural test. Whenever you do get to the Dr. who does HRT don't make any suggestions that's kind of like a "red flag" for them. Good Luck.

[Neversaydie]

We'll the Urologist said the boys are in OK shape. Size looks good and no Varocele.

I was a little frustrated when he made it more than clear that my testosterone levels were fine. He is saying that because they where about 100 pts. above the bottom limit. I tried to get him to admit that hey, I've had one infertile and one low semen examines accompanied w/ a low Testosterone result.

He made an obvious effort to try to convince me that there is absolutely zero red flags. That was annoiying.

There was an interesting twist at the end. He said that my Prolactin levels were high they were a few points out of the upper limit, which I made sure to point out before when he was on his mission to tell me everything is OK.

Due to the high Prolactin levels I am going to get an MRI to see if I have prolactanomia, which is possibly stunting my fsh/lh production. If I do have it and get it removed that could make a big, big difference in future Test Production.

So I will keep my fingers crossed for now, I actually hope that I have the prolactanomia.

I tell you though 2 bad fertility tests, and a lower limit Test result at 32 years old and this guy is trying to convince me that there are no red flags. If I didn't point out earlier that I was taking L-Dopa to stunt Prolactin production due to that being out of bounds he probably would have ignored that.

Basically he said this will increase your testosterone but you really don't need it. I'm thinking Testosterone is the most important male function and he isn't even concerned.

We will see what happens.