Astronugget
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So I hear about this new supplement. It is advertised well, with cool colors and catchy slogans. For some reason I really want it. The company says that it can do all these cool things, and so I buy it, and it doesn't do anything because its a bs product. I'v been foiled again. (This is a story that i'm sure many of you have played out)
I don't know if anyone else is fed up with marketing bs by all these supplement companies, but I am.
So I propose a massive boycott then, of all the supplements out there, with the exception of the following:
(companies listen up, and remember I'm referring to pretty much all of you, not one in particular)
1.) If the supplement you are advertising has LEGITIMATE CLINICAL TRIAL(S) to back up the claims of the product's effectiveness.
Im so tired of all these pseudo-studies being advertised in order to turn a supplement into something its not. I don't care if there is some ####ing study from like 50 years ago that shows one of the active ingredients in your gimmicky "proprietary blend" increases "such and such hormone" by 30% or 200% or whatever. I don't give a S### if your little supplement has never before seen ingredients that don't even have any sort of study on them that even HINTS at the possibility that the ingredient might be "Anabolic" or "Fat Burning" or whatever the hell you advertise your overpriced bottle of garbage to do. I don't care if you have done a "Case Study" on your product, which showed that the little number of participants "gained X amount on their bench press" or "Lost X amount of weight" there are thousands of other things that they could have been taking at the time of the "study" to make that happen.
And for those companies that do release "clinical trials", they are usually BS as well. Sometime they wont even have a placebo control group, sometimes instead of using a placebo, they will just use some other supplement that doesn't have any studies showing its effectiveness either, and when their product out performs it, they will show the amazing results. "Our product outperformed this supplement which itself hasn't even been proven to do anything!" Or the tested product will seem to have induced an increase in strength or whatever, until you look at the margin of error in the subjects results, which is sometimes greater than the increase or decrease itself. Or you can look at the calculated probability factor, which determines the probability of the differences in the results actually being from the supplement: sometimes this is as high as 20%! Usually, results from studies on drugs have to have a probability of less than 5% to be considered a possibility of the cause of an effect. It is also important to look at the actual amount of strength/weight/increase/loss between the placebo and supplement groups. For example there is one supplement that advertised and increase in bench press 1 rep max to go up 44%. Also a 25 pound increase vs the (unsaid) pound increase in the placebo. OK lets look at those numbers: If the participants that took the supplement gained 44% on their bench that was 25 lbs total, that means that the starting bench press for these participants was only 57 pounds! Then we see in other places that it says "44% over the placebo" which makes more sense. But it still shows us that companies will say one thing in one place, and leave out things in another place depending on which way they will be interpreted in their context's.
2.) For the supplements that do have clinical trials: The clinical trials show that the product may do what it is ADVERTISED to do.
"Increases such and such within the body by such and such percent!" We will see this a lot. Companies will find legit clinical trials to back up statements like these (SOMETIMES) for one of their ingredients(which we don't get to know how much is in the proprietary blend by the way). And so they will advertise the product to be "Anabolic" or whatever. But sadly, the little increase in "such and such hormone" doesn't necessarily mean that it will do ANYTHING. You still have failed to present us with ANY evidence that shows your product will help build muscle, or burn fat, or whatever. I don't give the slightest S### if one of your ingredients has been shown to produce slight increases in protein synthesis in rats. Is anyone with me???
3.) Doesn't claim to have "clinical trials underway" and give us consumers a bunch of amazing numbers like they are real.
This is just another con artist move that companies will pull. They will say s### like. "We are currently conducting a clinical trial of our new product. Some subjects experienced a gain of 30 pounds of muscle and a loss of 20 pounds of fat, while strength was blah blah blah blah bladidy fu#%ing blah...." These companies insult our intelligence with BS like this.
So go on, whoever is a little company fanboy or rep, and flame the hell out of me. Call me names and other ignorant s### like that. Say i'm some competitor or something lame. You will just show everyone how stupid you are. Drop your little bottle of sugar pills and hit the gym, fridge, and bed.
As for those of you who agree with me, join me in my boycott and spread the word. We can make all these "supplement" companies be real with us , and stop advertising to us like we are idiots.
The rest of you consumers out there, try doing some research on supplements and reading the f###### ingredients label before you buy it.
Peace-
Astronuggets
I don't know if anyone else is fed up with marketing bs by all these supplement companies, but I am.
So I propose a massive boycott then, of all the supplements out there, with the exception of the following:
(companies listen up, and remember I'm referring to pretty much all of you, not one in particular)
1.) If the supplement you are advertising has LEGITIMATE CLINICAL TRIAL(S) to back up the claims of the product's effectiveness.
Im so tired of all these pseudo-studies being advertised in order to turn a supplement into something its not. I don't care if there is some ####ing study from like 50 years ago that shows one of the active ingredients in your gimmicky "proprietary blend" increases "such and such hormone" by 30% or 200% or whatever. I don't give a S### if your little supplement has never before seen ingredients that don't even have any sort of study on them that even HINTS at the possibility that the ingredient might be "Anabolic" or "Fat Burning" or whatever the hell you advertise your overpriced bottle of garbage to do. I don't care if you have done a "Case Study" on your product, which showed that the little number of participants "gained X amount on their bench press" or "Lost X amount of weight" there are thousands of other things that they could have been taking at the time of the "study" to make that happen.
And for those companies that do release "clinical trials", they are usually BS as well. Sometime they wont even have a placebo control group, sometimes instead of using a placebo, they will just use some other supplement that doesn't have any studies showing its effectiveness either, and when their product out performs it, they will show the amazing results. "Our product outperformed this supplement which itself hasn't even been proven to do anything!" Or the tested product will seem to have induced an increase in strength or whatever, until you look at the margin of error in the subjects results, which is sometimes greater than the increase or decrease itself. Or you can look at the calculated probability factor, which determines the probability of the differences in the results actually being from the supplement: sometimes this is as high as 20%! Usually, results from studies on drugs have to have a probability of less than 5% to be considered a possibility of the cause of an effect. It is also important to look at the actual amount of strength/weight/increase/loss between the placebo and supplement groups. For example there is one supplement that advertised and increase in bench press 1 rep max to go up 44%. Also a 25 pound increase vs the (unsaid) pound increase in the placebo. OK lets look at those numbers: If the participants that took the supplement gained 44% on their bench that was 25 lbs total, that means that the starting bench press for these participants was only 57 pounds! Then we see in other places that it says "44% over the placebo" which makes more sense. But it still shows us that companies will say one thing in one place, and leave out things in another place depending on which way they will be interpreted in their context's.
2.) For the supplements that do have clinical trials: The clinical trials show that the product may do what it is ADVERTISED to do.
"Increases such and such within the body by such and such percent!" We will see this a lot. Companies will find legit clinical trials to back up statements like these (SOMETIMES) for one of their ingredients(which we don't get to know how much is in the proprietary blend by the way). And so they will advertise the product to be "Anabolic" or whatever. But sadly, the little increase in "such and such hormone" doesn't necessarily mean that it will do ANYTHING. You still have failed to present us with ANY evidence that shows your product will help build muscle, or burn fat, or whatever. I don't give the slightest S### if one of your ingredients has been shown to produce slight increases in protein synthesis in rats. Is anyone with me???
3.) Doesn't claim to have "clinical trials underway" and give us consumers a bunch of amazing numbers like they are real.
This is just another con artist move that companies will pull. They will say s### like. "We are currently conducting a clinical trial of our new product. Some subjects experienced a gain of 30 pounds of muscle and a loss of 20 pounds of fat, while strength was blah blah blah blah bladidy fu#%ing blah...." These companies insult our intelligence with BS like this.
So go on, whoever is a little company fanboy or rep, and flame the hell out of me. Call me names and other ignorant s### like that. Say i'm some competitor or something lame. You will just show everyone how stupid you are. Drop your little bottle of sugar pills and hit the gym, fridge, and bed.
As for those of you who agree with me, join me in my boycott and spread the word. We can make all these "supplement" companies be real with us , and stop advertising to us like we are idiots.
The rest of you consumers out there, try doing some research on supplements and reading the f###### ingredients label before you buy it.
Peace-
Astronuggets
