[hardknock]

Originally Posted by AnonyMoose

ok - so last night - middle of fourth week in and alpha male started kicking in. note two things - only during the wo and not the full out feeling yet. i still am not getting the all day jacked feeling. however - last nights chest wo was just great and everything stated on what to expect to bang out your wo so far is on. i did do 3 x 3 yesterday and should also let you know i am stacking this with powerfull and ap. as far as the body comp - not sure i am loosing body fat quickly however the thickness is showing in the muscle.

When you mention thickness, do you mean as in fullness or actually thicker texture/harder feel.

[jsp0785]

Originally Posted by paulg

First dose with morning protein and pre-workout supplements. Second and third dose with meals.

I will definitely be giving this product a chance because I have three more bottles!

I am a non responder to activate extreme, x factor, bad a$$ mass, and dthc. Those are all great products with awesome feed back. I don't even respond to epistane (just got tired, no gains whatsoever).
I won't blame any company or product for MY lack of response. I was just really looking for a non PH because with the older PHs (1-AD and superdrol) the sides (fatigue!) were terrible, I gained a good amount of fat, and much of the gains faded over time.

I will continue Prime at least through the second bottle. We shall see....

if u don't respond to epistane u are doing something wrong. but not responding to steroids sounds a little fishy to me

[jsp0785]

Originally Posted by paulg

First dose with morning protein and pre-workout supplements. Second and third dose with meals.

I will definitely be giving this product a chance because I have three more bottles!

I am a non responder to activate extreme, x factor, bad a$$ mass, and dthc. Those are all great products with awesome feed back. I don't even respond to epistane (just got tired, no gains whatsoever).

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I will continue Prime at least through the second bottle. We shall see....

i would have to say right there your diet is out of whack. if you get that tired maybe ur carb intake is too low? but not responding to straight up roids and if you're losing the weight you gained from them you're not eating enough to keep it on or u didn't do proper pct and ur test levels are shot.

[DreamWeaver]

Could be his caloric requirements are just much higher than he thought, just grasping at staws but it seems Prime requires some extra calorie intake.

[CoreDoug]

Originally Posted by AnonyMoose

zap stack?

USP Labs Prime + Core ZAP => never have I had more intense workouts.

[AnonyMoose]

Originally Posted by hardknock

When you mention thickness, do you mean as in fullness or actually thicker texture/harder feel.

the latter as well as the apearance is fuller

[paulg]

Originally Posted by hardknock

Well, I can say this much for the gained this or that; that is, some people do gain 5 here or 4 there, but they do not maintain it. If your running a supp and you gain 3lbs, then you come off of the supp, and you start back to training the pre-supp way, then your going to lose it...and if said supp was working for them, or they thought it was working for them then they are not going to train as hard or be as strict on a diet as they were during the supplemental run.

Therein lies the answer ...
I remember when I was running yg/ifg2/blueup...one of the greatest benefits was that I was running something and I also convinced myself that I MUST eat healthy and eat a lot while I was on. This is what I did, plus trained near perfect ... i never missed a workout in the 12 weeks that I ran it. But, as soon as I came off of it, then I started to falter a little. I was not eating AS GOOD, and I WAS NOT TRAINING AS WELL, plus life hit, my mother passed and social events took over....

You have to be damned near isolated from humanity to be able to train for 16 weeks str8 without any reality of life hitting you square in the face.

This is ONE OF THE MANY REASONS why, some people do well ON SUPPS but it never equates to 20lbs of muscle over 2yrs.

One of the other things is that they are not really gaining 5lbs of muscle/lean....some is muscle, water, glycogen. This comprises lean muscle, or is the standard, but not pure muscle/striated. Its pretty easy to gain 5 lbs of muscle/water/glycogen and then lose 3lbs when you come down from a supp and your diet alters, plus the workout...

And let us not forget the one's who are just thinking they are gaining something but are not really gaining anything but a little water...and they are claiming the supp does well because they want to be with the "IN" crowd on the board.

thank you. great post. hence the instant weight gain on phs.

[celc5]

Originally Posted by xtgear

don't forget that our mental attitude towards a supp can make all the difference too

When i take supps that work, my mental attitude has zero affect on my results.

Just to be clear, that was a generalized statement and not directed at prime or usp. I have not tried prime.