[USPLabs]

Originally Posted by joebo

. Don't like USP, DON'T BUY!!

Couldn't of said it better myself.

Unlike muscletech we sponsor real people not professional bodybuilders. We have huge following in the natural bodybuilding circuit. These guys understand supplementation. We have a huge following with competitive athletes.

Some kids on the boards and some non responders will always attack and that is the nature of the beast. This is just common ground for successful companies from coca cola to microsoft. There will always be hate.

Until you spend 100,000 a month on advertising, you will not understand marketing.

[bkprice]

Or when you have to write copy thats make people want to buy. Some here think writing a good ad copy is easy, its not.

You need to hit on emotional triggers, get attention, tell a story thats keep attention, call to action, test response and track it.

What Jacob has done is combine product education, story telling and direct response Branding in his ads, I like them but like Jacob said, if you don't like it then don't buy it.

[wontdie]

hehe... Oh well, I am sure you can sell them off to somebody. I ordered only 1 bottle of Primes. I'll order more if they work me.

Originally Posted by paulg

Actually, I bought four bottles. I guess it would be common sense not to buy multiple bottles of something I've never used before. I will NEVER do that again. But that's on me, nobody forced me.

[poopypants]

Originally Posted by paulg

First dose with morning protein and pre-workout supplements. Second and third dose with meals.

I will definitely be giving this product a chance because I have three more bottles!

I am a non responder to activate extreme, x factor, bad a$$ mass, and dthc. Those are all great products with awesome feed back. I don't even respond to epistane (just got tired, no gains whatsoever).
I won't blame any company or product for MY lack of response. I was just really looking for a non PH because with the older PHs (1-AD and superdrol) the sides (fatigue!) were terrible, I gained a good amount of fat, and much of the gains faded over time.

I will continue Prime at least through the second bottle. We shall see....

sounds to me like you have a digestion issue, either a tough gut/intestinal lining or maybe too many enzymes or acids.... all those things can severely limit the amount of anything you take in including food from doing what you want it too.... crazy its across the board to things like epi as well....dont sound good to me.

[paulg]

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[paulg]

oops can't delete. okay, how many of your wives' have no idea what you spend on supplements?

[paulg]

Originally Posted by poopypants

sounds to me like you have a digestion issue, either a tough gut/intestinal lining or maybe too many enzymes or acids.... all those things can severely limit the amount of anything you take in including food from doing what you want it too.... crazy its across the board to things like epi as well....dont sound good to me.

okay... Yea, if you can't absorb it then it's useless right? Maybe that's why I've noticed when I increase calories (bulking) I don't really get any better results than maintence calories. My body is very efficient in that I've seen myself mantain size and gain strength on very little calories at times. That being said I'm not anemic and don't have any problem (that I know of) absorbing vital nutrients. I've always wondered about my ability to absorb a lot of protein. Ever wonder if those whey shakes are just going down the toilet?

The epistane thing, I just don't seem to get anything out of AIs. 6 OXO gave me hard-ons and fatigue but not the slightest bit of growth. What's up with that?

[poopypants]

Originally Posted by paulg

okay... Yea, if you can't absorb it then it's useless right? Maybe that's why I've noticed when I increase calories (bulking) I don't really get any better results than maintence calories. My body is very efficient in that I've seen myself mantain size and gain strength on very little calories at times. That being said I'm not anemic and don't have any problem (that I know of) absorbing vital nutrients. I've always wondered about my ability to absorb a lot of protein. Ever wonder if those whey shakes are just going down the toilet?

The epistane thing, I just don't seem to get anything out of AIs. 6 OXO gave me hard-ons and fatigue but not the slightest bit of growth. What's up with that?

Epistane isnt an AI sir. dunno who told you that.

Its a steroid right out. Its derived from a SERM like compound which still isnt even an AI or even close in action other then it relates to estrogen. Epistane is a lipophilic non converting steroid meaning its active from the get go and doesnt need to convert to work like 1-AD or 4-AD or 19-nor and the like prohormones......

Thats why I said its odd something like this as well didnt have any effect on you....

maybe you should go to a gastroenterologist or an endo doc to see whats up with your nutrient uptake and the like.

Do reg meds work well for you?

[paulg]

Originally Posted by poopypants

Epistane isnt an AI sir. dunno who told you that.

Its a steroid right out. Its derived from a SERM like compound which still isnt even an AI or even close in action other then it relates to estrogen. Epistane is a lipophilic non converting steroid meaning its active from the get go and doesnt need to convert to work like 1-AD or 4-AD or 19-nor and the like prohormones......

Thats why I said its odd something like this as well didnt have any effect on you....

maybe you should go to a gastroenterologist or an endo doc to see whats up with your nutrient uptake and the like.

Do reg meds work well for you?

I am healthy and fit and ever improving. I have a health care background. I am not a chemist so I don't overestimate my undertanding or education.
Sorry I miss catorgorized Epistane. It is clearly described as an anti-estrogen.
That being said there are a lot lot lot lot lot of people who don't respond to many many supplements. First time I did ergopharm 1-ad I gained 20 lbs. (granted, some water and fat!). The second time I did it I got virtually nothing! My body adapts to things quickly. (like stims).
thanks for the reply and concern (nice that somebody cares)

do meds work for me? I don't need meds. I avoid medical doctors like the plague.

p.s. at age 24 you are intelligent, driven, and sensible. I'm 37 and still stupid.

[Sleepyred666]

Paul g looks hardcore im scared

[poopypants]

Originally Posted by paulg

I am healthy and fit and ever improving. I have a health care background. I am not a chemist so I don't overestimate my undertanding or education.
Sorry I miss catorgorized Epistane. It is clearly described as an anti-estrogen.
That being said there are a lot lot lot lot lot of people who don't respond to many many supplements. First time I did ergopharm 1-ad I gained 20 lbs. (granted, some water and fat!). The second time I did it I got virtually nothing! My body adapts to things quickly. (like stims).
thanks for the reply and concern (nice that somebody cares)

do meds work for me? I don't need meds. I avoid medical doctors like the plague.

p.s. at age 24 you are intelligent, driven, and sensible. I'm 37 and still stupid.

Ya Ive seen a couple guys on here that are just typical non-responders, from what they post they seem to be doing everything right just nothing really works for them, its gotta be something in their physiological make up that causes this not the supps themselves just wish I knew what. sounds like your in that group.... sorry.

Ya epi is described as an Anti E since it has apparent ANTI E effects but the method of action is much more like a serm(like nolva) where it blocks the receptor itself and not like an AI(aromatase inhibitor) which binds to the aromatase responsible for turning testosterone into estrogen...this is what 6-oxo does. But Epi is first and foremost an anabolic steroid with the effects listed above being a secondary effect. Its easy to be mislead by the writeup I know.

Thanks for the comps, and by no means have you sounded stupid yourself either, in fact a stupid person would come on here bashing everyone and everything as bunk and liars and not give way to the fact its just unique to themselves and it just sucks..... BTW like sleepyred said you look like a hardcore mother... like you bust UFC or somethin, lol.

Hopefully youll find something that works well. Just wondering also do you get drunk very easily? just trying to asses if its a liver issue, If your liver super metabolizes stuff youd have to put away quite a few to get buzzin, my bro in law is like this, hes also a major ecto and has a super fast metabolism.

Ever tried absorption enhancers like DHB or naringin or the like?

[Mulletsoldier]

Originally Posted by poopypants

Ya Ive seen a couple guys on here that are just typical non-responders, from what they post they seem to be doing everything right just nothing really works for them, its gotta be something in their physiological make up that causes this not the supps themselves just wish I knew what. sounds like your in that group.... sorry.

Ya epi is described as an Anti E since it has apparent ANTI E effects but the method of action is much more like a serm(like nolva) where it blocks the receptor itself and not like an AI(aromatase inhibitor) which binds to the aromatase responsible for turning testosterone into estrogen...this is what 6-oxo does. But Epi is first and foremost an anabolic steroid with the effects listed above being a secondary effect. Its easy to be mislead by the writeup I know.

Thanks for the comps, and by no means have you sounded stupid yourself either, in fact a stupid person would come on here bashing everyone and everything as bunk and liars and not give way to the fact its just unique to themselves and it just sucks..... BTW like sleepyred said you look like a hardcore mother... like you bust UFC or somethin, lol.

Hopefully youll find something that works well. Just wondering also do you get drunk very easily? just trying to asses if its a liver issue, If your liver super metabolizes stuff youd have to put away quite a few to get buzzin, my bro in law is like this, hes also a major ecto and has a super fast metabolism.

Ever tried absorption enhancers like DHB or naringin or the like?

His avatar is Keith Jardine; UFC Fighter.

[poopypants]

LMAO I thought it looked like him.....

[paulg]

Originally Posted by poopypants

Ya Ive seen a couple guys on here that are just typical non-responders, from what they post they seem to be doing everything right just nothing really works for them, its gotta be something in their physiological make up that causes this not the supps themselves just wish I knew what. sounds like your in that group.... sorry.

Ya epi is described as an Anti E since it has apparent ANTI E effects but the method of action is much more like a serm(like nolva) where it blocks the receptor itself and not like an AI(aromatase inhibitor) which binds to the aromatase responsible for turning testosterone into estrogen...this is what 6-oxo does. But Epi is first and foremost an anabolic steroid with the effects listed above being a secondary effect. Its easy to be mislead by the writeup I know.

Thanks for the comps, and by no means have you sounded stupid yourself either, in fact a stupid person would come on here bashing everyone and everything as bunk and liars and not give way to the fact its just unique to themselves and it just sucks..... BTW like sleepyred said you look like a hardcore mother... like you bust UFC or somethin, lol.

Hopefully youll find something that works well. Just wondering also do you get drunk very easily? just trying to asses if its a liver issue, If your liver super metabolizes stuff youd have to put away quite a few to get buzzin, my bro in law is like this, hes also a major ecto and has a super fast metabolism.

Ever tried absorption enhancers like DHB or naringin or the like?

I think naringin makes me tired. I've done the RPM and Drive thing and the problem was fatigue at any does more than 2 caps. Weird huh? I talked to AN and they couldn't figure it out (though i have seen a couple of other posters mention that tired feeling post rpm/drive.) So I couldn't really get enough of the actives from either of those products to get the results. T-bol (thermolife) made me dog tired. Pro-anabol (alri) made me dog tired. Neither gave me results.
I don't drink (christian). Used to, back in the day, and I could put it away, somewhat.
I tell you, I believe I'll find something or more than one something that will make me grow. Whatever I need itched, or fixed, or modulated, or whatever. When THAT product comes out, watch out!

Incidently, is ANYONE getting the kind of results the Prime ads cited? As I've looked at the logs people like the product but I don't seem posting amazing numbers or just going ga ga over it.