[DreamWeaver]

Originally Posted by Big3upgrade

Can never see myself spending $55 on a 3 weeks supply of herbs. The TNT stack > Prime

The TNT stack was 59 wasn't it, can't remember I bought 2 and am excited about trying it, but you can't say that untill you try both I will be using the TNT stack to bridge Prime cycles so I will know.

[Big3upgrade]

Originally Posted by DreamWeaver

The TNT stack was 59 wasn't it, can't remember I bought 2 and am excited about trying it, but you can't say that untill you try both I will be using the TNT stack to bridge Prime cycles so I will know.

Yes it is $59 but thats not the point. It has 3 different proven compounds that has shown to increase test and muscle growth. Not to mention all three three uses high extract % and can be run for 6 weeks. Onced the TNT stack is available I will personally run a log on it. I will take a month rest, than just to be fair, I will get 2 bottles of prime instead of 1 bottle and do a log on that.

[Manimalia]

Originally Posted by paulg

A lot of products are like this. A third love it, and third get nothing, and a third get so so results. Kind of like pharmaceuticals.

One thing that drives me nuts though: I see people taking a TON of supplements. You know currently taking: this, that, another thing, and this, and that and that. Okay my thing is this, if you really look at a lot of people's reviews they claim they gained 4-5 lbs on this, and 3 lbs on this, and 10lbs on this. Okay, so if all that stuff they are taking works, then how come all these guys aren't 220 lbs and benching over 300? Hmmm.... Also look back through the history of a LOT of the guys on this board, and they've been logging different supplements and stacks for a while and claiming how awesome such and such is but.... (i know, run on sentence) how come when you check their stats from 3-4 years ago they are the same size now? HOW CAN YOU GAIN all that muscle from this and that and that other product all this time and yet, you are the same size?

Believe me, I want supplements to work. But so many of the people on this board are spending a TON of money and are making the same gains as the guys at my gym WHO TAKE NOTHING.

I refuse to convince myself something is working when it is not.

If I gained a pound or two of muscle on a product in a month, I would be happy. Why? Because gee whiz, 10+ lbs of growth a year will add up after a while! But for all you taking umteen products and you weigh 2 lbs more than you did 2 years ago?!?!.... Where is it getting you?

x100,000,000. nice. that's why i'm back to the fundamentals. if i don't win that essentials contest, i'm gonna start taking me some creatine mono and bcaa with lots and lots of big meals again. no more of this dieting and trying random supps here and there to see if "that'll be the one" to magically give me that beachbody.

i'm set up to just be a big muhfuka, plain and simple (endo with a dash of meso IMO, the "O" being the word: observation, not opinion. who knows me better than me?). a lot of people may wanna respond w/diet diet diet, it's all in the diet. well, i can honestly say that i have followed strict caloric defecits in the right amounts, ate the right foods, and exercised for weight loss. and it just takes too damn long. in five weeks, the CKD helped me drop a couple pant sizes. progress halted, in spite of my changing up the routine. i'm hopping off and "recomping" to the 100,000,000 power! let that muscle memory regained muscle eat the rest of this blubber!
: aargh:

ahem, but anywho, good post.

[DreamWeaver]

Originally Posted by Manimalia

x100,000,000. nice. that's why i'm back to the fundamentals. if i don't win that essentials contest, i'm gonna start taking me some creatine mono and bcaa with lots and lots of big meals again. no more of this dieting and trying random supps here and there to see if "that'll be the one" to magically give me that beachbody.

i'm set up to just be a big muhfuka, plain and simple (endo with a dash of meso IMO, the "O" being the word: observation, not opinion. who knows me better than me?). a lot of people may wanna respond w/diet diet diet, it's all in the diet. well, i can honestly say that i have followed strict caloric defecits in the right amounts, ate the right foods, and exercised for weight loss. and it just takes too damn long. in five weeks, the CKD helped me drop a couple pant sizes. progress halted, in spite of my changing up the routine. i'm hopping off and "recomping" to the 100,000,000 power! let that muscle memory regained muscle eat the rest of this blubber!
: aargh:

ahem, but anywho, good post.

I hear your pain I am an endo, I like to just recomp, I eat close to maintenance and I tend to lose fat and gain muscle expecially when I use Recreate. This is a much more comfortable lifestyle you can still have the odd pizza or gelato or whatever. Extremes cause us endo's to either lose muscle or gain fat.

[Steveoph]

PaulG I ran the beta and didn't respond so to speak. I don't want to get accused of being anti-Prime again by some diehard enthusiasts because I respect USP as a company and wish them nothing but success. The review is Ordered Prime!!! Who Else did? and PM me with any Q's.

[TheUnlikelyToad]

Originally Posted by Steveoph

PaulG I ran the beta and didn't respond so to speak. I don't want to get accused of being anti-Prime again by some diehard enthusiasts because I respect USP as a company and wish them nothing but success. The review is Ordered Prime!!! Who Else did? and PM me with any Q's.

I appreciate this coming from you. In fact, I give you a lot of respect for sticking to your guns and being honest.

USPlabs is a good company with a lot of great product that have worked well for me (Powerfull, P-Slin, SuperCissus). Anabolic Pump however was one of those that I could never get to work as claimed despite seeing some minor partitioning qualities on a typical carb based diet. Symmetry X was another that gave me problems.

Good or bad, let's keep tha Prime honest feedback coming...

[nunes]

Originally Posted by paulg

A lot of products are like this. A third love it, and third get nothing, and a third get so so results. Kind of like pharmaceuticals.

One thing that drives me nuts though: I see people taking a TON of supplements. You know currently taking: this, that, another thing, and this, and that and that. Okay my thing is this, if you really look at a lot of people's reviews they claim they gained 4-5 lbs on this, and 3 lbs on this, and 10lbs on this. Okay, so if all that stuff they are taking works, then how come all these guys aren't 220 lbs and benching over 300? Hmmm.... Also look back through the history of a LOT of the guys on this board, and they've been logging different supplements and stacks for a while and claiming how awesome such and such is but.... (i know, run on sentence) how come when you check their stats from 3-4 years ago they are the same size now? HOW CAN YOU GAIN all that muscle from this and that and that other product all this time and yet, you are the same size?

Believe me, I want supplements to work. But so many of the people on this board are spending a TON of money and are making the same gains as the guys at my gym WHO TAKE NOTHING.

I refuse to convince myself something is working when it is not.

If I gained a pound or two of muscle on a product in a month, I would be happy. Why? Because gee whiz, 10+ lbs of growth a year will add up after a while! But for all you taking umteen products and you weigh 2 lbs more than you did 2 years ago?!?!.... Where is it getting you?

good post, but just a note , I think that some products do work helping on gaining 5-10 pounds above the genetic limitations and improve recovery times, remember that people are always on(or almost every time) when we talk of creatine , protein, bcaa and a few other proven stuff.
but one thing is for sure a lot of supps out there are only hype, fighting against this kind of supps is one of the things I try to do in the boards and you can believe me when I say that this had cost me a lot of battles , dramas and negs , but I really don't care.
I believe we should be always sceptical when we try a new supp cause the placebo effect does exist and have a lot of mind power.
I try to bring fair and unbiased reviews of the supps I try and it will always be like that, thank you for doing the same

[Mulletsoldier]

Originally Posted by TheUnlikelyToad

I appreciate this coming from you. In fact, I give you a lot of respect for sticking to your guns and being honest.

USPlabs is a good company with a lot of great product that have worked well for me (Powerfull, P-Slin, SuperCissus). Anabolic Pump however was one of those that I could never get to work as claimed despite seeing some minor partitioning qualities on a typical carb based diet. Symmetry X was another that gave me problems.

Good or bad, let's keep tha Prime honest feedback coming...

Symmetry wasn't an efficacious product for my particular body chemistry, either; that being said, both Anabolic Pump and P-Slin are the most effective products I have used to date - barring, Creatine Monohydrate, and Whey Protein (they simply do their job). ReCreate is also my favorite fat-loss product; though I am not necessarily a "stimulant aficionado", and ReCreate isn't necessarily a stimulant.

[Steveoph]

Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier

Symmetry wasn't an efficacious product for my particular body chemistry, either; that being said, both Anabolic Pump and P-Slin are the most effective products I have used to date - barring, Creatine Monohydrate, and Whey Protein (they simply do their job). ReCreate is also my favorite fat-loss product; though I am not necessarily a "stimulant aficionado", and ReCreate isn't necessarily a stimulant.

PSlin is almost too powerful for me lol. I find I need to eat about 100-120g carbs after it, and then sometimes I'm so full I don't feel like working out 60-90 minutes afterwards lol. I could take more nutrient dense foods to get in those carbs, but that's just not my style.
AP fits my needs perfectly; I have about 60g Complex Carbs, 20g of Sugars from berries and I'm ready to workout in 1-1.5hrs.

[LatSpread]

Originally Posted by paulg

First dose with morning protein and pre-workout supplements. Second and third dose with meals.

I will definitely be giving this product a chance because I have three more bottles!

I am a non responder to activate extreme, x factor, bad a$$ mass, and dthc. Those are all great products with awesome feed back. I don't even respond to epistane (just got tired, no gains whatsoever).
I won't blame any company or product for MY lack of response. I was just really looking for a non PH because with the older PHs (1-AD and superdrol) the sides (fatigue!) were terrible, I gained a good amount of fat, and much of the gains faded over time.

I will continue Prime at least through the second bottle. We shall see....

not to be rude, but if you didnt respond to X Factor or even a steroid like epistane then there is likely something wrong with your diet and/or training.

[Mulletsoldier]

Originally Posted by LatSpread

not to be rude, but if you didnt respond to X Factor or even a steroid like epistane then there is likely something wrong with your diet and/or training.

Oh, I didn't happen to read that initial description; that serves as somewhat of a caveat to his experiences, IMO.

[LatSpread]

Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier

Oh, I didn't happen to read that initial description; that serves as somewhat of a caveat to his experiences, IMO.

yea i mean im certainly not sold on prime, as im not on many products, but if you get little to no gains with various steroids/PH's nor do you get anything from XF (which I'm beyond fond of) then what do you expect from herbal supps?

anyway, hopefully next time i hear a review on prime it'll be more worthwhile, cuz if it goes on sale sometime i might find myself trying a bottle eventually.