[paulygon]

Ok,

So within the past few months, I think 4, I have dropped roughly 68 pounds, and went from 268 to about 198-200, depending on water, and about 21-22% BF to under 12%. Needless to say, I look better, feel better, and want more.

I did all of it through hardcore diet, and a few key supplements, which are listed below. I am now looking for an addition to my supplement list, or to make a substitution. I am looking to make some slower, controlled gains, not gaining a huge amount of fat, but trying to optimize my muscle growth.

Any suggestions would be great.

I am not the most educated supplement user when it comes to more advanced supplements. (I know the basics well, Nitric Oxide, BCAAs, protein, etc.)

I am looking for something a little bit stronger than your normal supplements, but not 100% into gear just yet, I would love to make the gains without having to go straight for the needle.

Supplements:
BCAAs
Fish Oil
CLA
Recreate
Super Cissus
Adam- Multi
True Protein- Team Skip
True Protein- Morning Mix
True Protein- Midnight/ Night Mix
Beta Alanine (spelling?)
Waxy Maize Starch- Carb added to shakes
Napalm- More recently to help with the trouble areas.

Thanks for any advice!

Paul

[CROWLER]

WOW that is GREAT!

Congrats on the weight loss!

I agree don't look at doing PHs yet. You may want to check out ACT X/STOKED! stack

[GreenSquats]

Key Attributes:

* Controlled Release Formula
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* Optimize Natural Hormone Levels and Recovery


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lcariin, Grape Seed Extract, Griffonia Simplicifolia Extract, Apigenin, Luteolin and Niacin work in synergy to help increase bloodflow, natural growth hormone levels, and circulating levels of testosterone while keeping estrogen under control. The formula may even help with cholesterol ratio (cholesterol is the building block for testosterone).

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[AK32408]

Give the Anabolic Pump and PowerFULL stack from USP Labs a try.

Adding these supplements to your arsenal will really make the most out of your diet and hard work in the gym.

[Steveoph]

First off a big congratulations!

As for your questions, to help get that last bit of fat off if you're heading that route, I would suggest some Green Tea and Sesamin. DCP would be awesome, but it's OOS right now.

For some strength gains, a killer deal right now is http://www.nutraplanet.com/product/d...ked-stack.html . I'm not sure of your age, but this is a very potent way to boost your natural testosterone and free it up which leads to some explosive muscle growth! This just harnesses your own testosterone, and not anything more drastic.

[dsade]

I don't see any creatine in there...or am I just blind?

[Reaper329]

First that is a hell of a job on the weight loss, and you do deserve a lot of credit for the perseverence that it took to do that. To go along with the BA you already have you might want to look at Poseidon.

Per nimbus

*Poseidon Complex ™ Ascorbic Acid, Cyancobalamin, Folic Acid, Glutamine, Inositol, Magnesium Carbonate, Magnesium Phosphate, Magnesium Sulfate, Methylcobalamin, Niacin, Potassium Bicarbonate, Potassium Carbonate, Potassium Chloride, Pyrodoxine Hydrochloride, Sodium Bicarbonate, Taurine, Zinc Gluconate

Vitamin C(Ascorbic Acid) 750mg 1250%
Niacin (B-3) 75mg 250%
Vitamin B-6 (Pyrodoxine Hydrochloride) 5mg 50%
Folic Acid 200µg 50%
Zinc (Zinc Gluconate) 7mg 48%
Vitamin B-12 1000mcg 16666%
Potassium 350mg 10%
Magnesium 150mg 43%
Sodium 60mg 3%
*Poseidon Complex™ *5075mg ---

It really does enhance all other supps that you take.

Either way good luck

[TexasLifter89]

congrats man! that is an accomplishment. I agree with Dsade...I think you need a creatine to add in their. maybe look into a natural T-booster type thing. Igf2, drive, activate extreme, stoked, mass fx maximum, blue gene. thsoe are the two things i would look into. one again good luck!

[paulygon]

Thanks for all the well wishes! I forgot to mention that I also take green tea extract, but your eyes are not fooling you, I am not on creatine. Also, I am not sure if I need a test booster, as I am only 24, but if it won't do any damage to me I don't see any problem in using it; as I said, I am not that educated with more advanced supps.

Thanks for all the help guys, and I appreciate any other suggestions.

Also, just so you all don't think I am some little dude, all my lifts are still up. Squat around 450-500, bench 365, dead lift 450. I bust my ass in the gym and just don't have a case of manorexia!

Paul

[GreenSquats]

Congrats!!

[TexasLifter89]

Originally Posted by GreenSquats

blue gene.

you already told him blue gene. have you used it?

[GreenSquats]

Originally Posted by TexasLifter89

you already told him blue gene. have you used it?

my bad. fixed. And for a short time. It was just a suggestion since I haven't really used too many "hormone" products and I seem to like it so far. How do you like it Texas?

[TexasLifter89]

Originally Posted by GreenSquats

my bad. fixed. And for a short time. It was just a suggestion since I haven't really used too many "hormone" products and I seem to like it so far. How do you like it Texas?

havent used it yet. thats why i was asking.

[paulygon]

Thanks again for more suggestions.

So would blue gene be the way to go? Anyone my age try it?