[Whacked]

It supposedly doesn't adversly affect natty test levels

""From the write-up:
"25-R Diol™ is a naturally occurring sapogenin (plant hormones) that acts as a precursor to something known as 6-keto diosgenin, only with a longer biological half-life. 25R-diol™ has direct anabolic effects on androgen receptors but does not cause shutdown of your own testosterone production. This occurs because 25R-diol™ has minimal androgenic activity at those receptors. Androgenicity general describes the side effects of hormones. Because of this, 25-R Diol™ results in increased muscle mass without the side effects""""

[LatSpread]

25-r is also in Nutrex's new test booster Anabol 5, and i think will be in the new I-force Max-Out

[nunes]

Originally Posted by Whacked

It supposedly doesn't adversly affect natty test levels

""From the write-up:
"25-R Diol™ is a naturally occurring sapogenin (plant hormones) that acts as a precursor to something known as 6-keto diosgenin, only with a longer biological half-life. 25R-diol™ has direct anabolic effects on androgen receptors but does not cause shutdown of your own testosterone production. This occurs because 25R-diol™ has minimal androgenic activity at those receptors. Androgenicity general describes the side effects of hormones. Because of this, 25-R Diol™ results in increased muscle mass without the side effects""""

alri bam, iforce max-out and I believe something from hi-tech supps, anavar

[madchemist]

Anabolic Xtreme's nomenclature is:

25R-3,6-Diol

I-Force's nomenclature is:

25R-4-ene-3,6-Dione

Nutrex's nomenclature makes no sense.


ALRI's nomenclature is:

25R-4-ene-3,6-Diol

Hi-Tech's nomenclature makes no sense.

[nunes]

Originally Posted by madchemist

Anabolic Xtreme's nomenclature is:

25R-3,6-Diol

I-Force's nomenclature is:

25R-4-ene-3,6-Dione

Nutrex's nomenclature makes no sense.


ALRI's nomenclature is:

25R-4-ene-3,6-Diol

Hi-Tech's nomenclature makes no sense.

they probably are all the same...

[Kristofer68SS]

Originally Posted by nunes

they probably are all the same...

I was going to ask that question.

Are they all the same?

[madchemist]

Originally Posted by Kristofer68SS

I was going to ask that question.

Are they all the same?

Only a lab would be able to determine that. I think PA ran a test on Nutrex's Anabol-5 and only found diosgenin, so it is possible.

[amadorian]

Is is still up in there air if 25R even does anything? It hasn't been debated in a while. If it was that good why doesn't a company just make just a single 25R product?

[just93]

were is max-out....????? sorry to hijack

[LatSpread]

Originally Posted by madchemist

Only a lab would be able to determine that. I think PA ran a test on Nutrex's Anabol-5 and only found diosgenin, so it is possible.

damn, that makes me real sick of all sorts of companies being shady.

[thesinner]

The 25R-diol in MassFX is the following nomenclature:
(3a,5a,6a,25R)-Spirostan-3,6-diol

It's very stereospecific. It's a single isomer and it is 5-alpha-reduced. The sapponigens mentioned in this thread so far are close... but no cigar. The 4-spirostenes, to my knowledge, have estrogenic metaboites, which isn't necessarily a bad thing, you just need to be more cautious and they will be more wet.

[nunes]

Originally Posted by thesinner

The 25R-diol in MassFX is the following nomenclature:
(3a,5a,6a,25R)-Spirostan-3,6-diol

It's very stereospecific. It's a single isomer and it is 5-alpha-reduced. The sapponigens mentioned in this thread so far are close... but no cigar. The 4-spirostenes, to my knowledge, have estrogenic metaboites, which isn't necessarily a bad thing, you just need to be more cautious and they will be more wet.

what do you mean when you say its 5-alpha reduced?
Is it possible for any of these herbal sapponigens to interact with 5-alpha reductase, or only the one in the mass fx doesn't?

[thesinner]

Originally Posted by nunes

what do you mean when you say its 5-alpha reduced?
Is it possible for any of these herbal sapponigens to interact with 5-alpha reductase, or only the one in the mass fx doesn't?

5-alpha-reduced simply means that there is a stereospecific, saturated bond between carbons 4 and 5. Any steroidal compound with a 4-ene is not 5-alpha reduced. A saturated bond between 4 and 5 can be either 5-alpha-reduced or 5-beta-reduced. 5-alpha is the more potent isomer.

[nunes]

Originally Posted by thesinner

5-alpha-reduced simply means that there is a stereospecific, saturated bond between carbons 4 and 5. Any steroidal compound with a 4-ene is not 5-alpha reduced. A saturated bond between 4 and 5 can be either 5-alpha-reduced or 5-beta-reduced. 5-alpha is the more potent isomer.

thanks bro

[madchemist]

Originally Posted by thesinner

The 4-spirostenes, to my knowledge, have estrogenic metaboites,

What leads you to this conclusion?