[Matt6969]

hey is their a good stack recomended for great muscle gains and fat burners. i am tired of reading product websights and being disapointed i want to hear from people who know what they are talking about so i came here.

[DreamWeaver]

There are some things that work or make a difference but without a very good diet and sensible exercise program nothing will get it done. Supps may enhance progress or give a person an edge when he is completely plateaued no more that that really. Supps are for people who already know how to lose weight and gain muscle.

Not saying you don't but without the right information you don't leave us a lot to go on.

[OCCFan023]

Originally Posted by Matt6969

hey is their a good stack recomended for great muscle gains and fat burners. i am tired of reading product websights and being disapointed i want to hear from people who know what they are talking about so i came here.

Going off of what Dream said, because he hit the nail on the head, our best way to help you is by having an idea of where you are at in your training "career". Basically, years training, height, weight, diet, current goals, supp experience.

I want you to rest assured though, you have come to the right spot bud. AM has the knowledge and the resources for you to learn the correct ways of going about things. Welcome aboard!

[SilentBob187]

Along with what they said, but also:

If your diet and exercise routine are already solid and you're looking for some added help from a supplement:

Anabolic Pump can help with muscle gains as well as fat loss.

Anabolic Pump along with Recreate can help with recomping/weight loss benefits without having to go calorie deficient

There are so many other products that can help as well I figured I'd just throw up those two to get things started for ya.

[manny1010]

Welcome aboard bro. You have come to the right place where people with help with any questions you may have....oh.....and so will I. I agree with what has been said already. Give more detailed background, that way you get more help.

[DreamOfWeight]

going with what they said..lol... WELCOME TO AM... Jelly or syrup? lololol

[JohnnieFreeze]

Originally Posted by DreamOfWeight

going with what they said..lol... WELCOME TO AM... Jelly or syrup? lololol

LMAO!!

[neoborn]

Non Hormonal Muscle Gain: Creatine, Water, Food, Timing, Drive / Prime / 3-AD there are multiple bulkers out there.

Non Hormonal Fat Loss: DCP / Recreate / Cardio / Ephedrine


Hormonal Muscle Gain: Epistane / M-Drol / PPlex / Test

Fat Loss: Clenbuterol, Albuterol, T3(Cytomel) Cardio

I've heard that manipulating your diet with cardio is great for fat loss.

What about you, what are your stats?

[EasyEJL]

Originally Posted by Matt6969

hey is their a good stack recomended for great muscle gains and fat burners. i am tired of reading product websights and being disapointed i want to hear from people who know what they are talking about so i came here.

Well, nobody else commented, but gaining muscle while loosing fat is miserably hard. So regardless of the stack you use, its pretty difficult if not impossible to add significant muscle while loosing fat, unless you are in your first 6 months of lifting.

So my recommendation would be if you are above 12% bodyfat or so to loose the fat first, then do a bulking cycle. if you are over 12% i'd say do a clean bulk cycle for 2 months, and then do fat loss after.

And as a few people have said, supplements make far less difference than diet, training and cardio. Those are where your real gains/fat losses come in.

[DreamWeaver]

Originally Posted by EasyEJL

Well, nobody else commented, but gaining muscle while loosing fat is miserably hard. So regardless of the stack you use, its pretty difficult if not impossible to add significant muscle while loosing fat, unless you are in your first 6 months of lifting.

So my recommendation would be if you are above 12% bodyfat or so to loose the fat first, then do a bulking cycle. if you are over 12% i'd say do a clean bulk cycle for 2 months, and then do fat loss after.

And as a few people have said, supplements make far less difference than diet, training and cardio. Those are where your real gains/fat losses come in.

I have been able to gain muscle lose fat when above 15% and it's even easier on Recreate. Significant muscle gain not really but substantial enough. This is very easy for newbs to do however.

[Matt6969]

alright thanks for the help guyshear are my stats.

height is 5'7''

weight 158

been lifting for about 1.5 years.

havent had cake, cookies, pie, candie, brownies, fudge, icecream, milkshakes, popcorn, etc. since jan. 1

havent drinken soda in 1year and 9 months

run about 2 hours a week

lift six days a week

sunday- legs

monday- biceps, lats, traps, forearms

tuesday- pecs, delts, triceps

wednsday- legs

thursday- biceps, lats, traps, forearms

friday- pecs, delts, triceps

saturday- off

and i do abs everyday

every two weeks or so i shock my muscles

about every month and a half i change my routine to help prevent platough.

bench- 245

squat- 270

curl- 115

tricep pull- 200

lat pull down- 210

wide-grip palms out pull ups- 19

and my maxes are with strict form

arms- 15in.

chest-37-38in.

bodyfat is 10%

i would like to peak out at about 225

4% bodyfat

is there any other stats you need.

[Matt6969]

oh and hears what i have tried and failed with.

anator p70

N02 Platinum

weigh protein (although it was given to me and there was only about two weeks worth so it was to soon to tell anyway by the time i was done with it.)

NaNo vapor- the results i was getting were great but i couldn't get to sleep until 3:30 in the morning after taking it everynight.

[somewhatgifted]

Muscletech = craptech, dont be frustrated its over marketed crap, supplements arent the solution they "add' to a solid base. Hence "supplementing" your diet, really try to focus on using this board to learn about great nutrition as its the single most important aspect of health, fitness and getting where you want to be. All the best, SWG.

[mDeezy]

Originally Posted by Matt6969

oh and hears what i have tried and failed with.

anator p70

N02 Platinum

weigh protein (although it was given to me and there was only about two weeks worth so it was to soon to tell anyway by the time i was done with it.)

NaNo vapor- the results i was getting were great but i couldn't get to sleep until 3:30 in the morning after taking it everynight.

Well then, we finally know why you are irritated with supplements after reading ads and websites and being disappointed- because you are using brands like MuscleTech.

Anator P70 might be one of the worst products ever released. NanoVapor is trash. I haven't used MRI products so I won't say anything about them.

So, bottom line, you need to try some quality products from solid supplement companies and find out what works best for you.

Here are a few I would recommend to start:

Pre-Workout-
White Flood (Controlled Labs)
NO Shotgun (VPX)
Juggernaut (Infinite Labs)
Ragnorak (MST)

Fat Burners-
Recreate (USP Labs)
Scorch (MAN)
Methyl Ripped (NX Labs, though I wouldn't recommend any of their other products)

Intra / Post Workout-
Purple Wraath / Green Magnitude (Controlled Labs)
Whey Protein (I like All The Whey)

There are many other quality brands and products out there that may suit you better; those are just some that I have tried personally and had success with. Like I said, you need to experiment to find out what works for you. I recommend trolling AM and reading reviews, logs, etc. and then trying out whatever sounds like it would help you reach your goals.