fat burner and muscle gainer whats recomended.
- 09-16-2008, 01:31 PM
- 09-16-2008, 02:04 PM
There are some things that work or make a difference but without a very good diet and sensible exercise program nothing will get it done. Supps may enhance progress or give a person an edge when he is completely plateaued no more that that really. Supps are for people who already know how to lose weight and gain muscle.
Not saying you don't but without the right information you don't leave us a lot to go on.Unremarkable is no way to go through life... Doug
09-16-2008, 02:39 PM
I want you to rest assured though, you have come to the right spot bud. AM has the knowledge and the resources for you to learn the correct ways of going about things. Welcome aboard!
09-16-2008, 02:48 PM
Along with what they said, but also:
If your diet and exercise routine are already solid and you're looking for some added help from a supplement:
can help with muscle gains as well as fat loss.
along with can help with recomping/weight loss benefits without having to go calorie deficient
There are so many other products that can help as well I figured I'd just throw up those two to get things started for ya.
"I am legally blind and if I can Squat,deadlift and over all get myself to the gym then anyone can get their a$$ in gear and get strong!!" - malleus25
09-16-2008, 06:55 PM
Welcome aboard bro. You have come to the right place where people with help with any questions you may have....oh.....and so will I. I agree with what has been said already. Give more detailed background, that way you get more help.
09-16-2008, 07:02 PM
09-16-2008, 08:46 PM
09-17-2008, 11:06 AM
Non Hormonal Muscle Gain: Creatine, Water, Food, Timing, Drive / Prime / 3-AD there are multiple bulkers out there.
Non Hormonal Fat Loss: DCP / Recreate / Cardio / Ephedrine
Hormonal Muscle Gain: Epistane / M-Drol / PPlex / Test
Fat Loss: Clenbuterol, Albuterol, T3(Cytomel) Cardio
I've heard that manipulating your diet with cardio is great for fat loss.
What about you, what are your stats?
09-17-2008, 11:45 AM
So my recommendation would be if you are above 12% bodyfat or so to loose the fat first, then do a bulking cycle. if you are over 12% i'd say do a clean bulk cycle for 2 months, and then do fat loss after.
And as a few people have said, supplements make far less difference than diet, training and cardio. Those are where your real gains/fat losses come in.
09-17-2008, 12:23 PM
09-17-2008, 12:55 PM
alright thanks for the help guyshear are my stats.
height is 5'7''
been lifting for about 1.5 years.
havent had cake, cookies, pie, candie, brownies, fudge, icecream, milkshakes, popcorn, etc. since jan. 1
havent drinken soda in 1year and 9 months
run about 2 hours a week
lift six days a week
monday- biceps, lats, traps, forearms
tuesday- pecs, delts, triceps
thursday- biceps, lats, traps, forearms
friday- pecs, delts, triceps
and i do abs everyday
every two weeks or so i shock my muscles
about every month and a half i change my routine to help prevent platough.
tricep pull- 200
lat pull down- 210
wide-grip palms out pull ups- 19
and my maxes are with strict form
bodyfat is 10%
i would like to peak out at about 225
is there any other stats you need.
09-17-2008, 01:10 PM
oh and hears what i have tried and failed with.
weigh protein (although it was given to me and there was only about two weeks worth so it was to soon to tell anyway by the time i was done with it.)
NaNo vapor- the results i was getting were great but i couldn't get to sleep until 3:30 in the morning after taking it everynight.
09-17-2008, 01:23 PM
Muscletech = craptech, dont be frustrated its over marketed crap, supplements arent the solution they "add' to a solid base. Hence "supplementing" your diet, really try to focus on using this board to learn about great nutrition as its the single most important aspect of health, fitness and getting where you want to be. All the best, SWG.
09-17-2008, 01:31 PM
Anator P70 might be one of the worst products ever released. NanoVapor is trash. I haven't used MRI products so I won't say anything about them.
So, bottom line, you need to try some quality products from solid supplement companies and find out what works best for you.
Here are a few I would recommend to start:
White Flood (Controlled Labs)
NO Shotgun (VPX)
Juggernaut (Infinite Labs)
Recreate (USP Labs)
Methyl Ripped (NX Labs, though I wouldn't recommend any of their other products)
Intra / Post Workout-
Purple Wraath / Green Magnitude (Controlled Labs)
Whey Protein (I like All The Whey)
There are many other quality brands and products out there that may suit you better; those are just some that I have tried personally and had success with. Like I said, you need to experiment to find out what works for you. I recommend trolling AM and reading reviews, logs, etc. and then trying out whatever sounds like it would help you reach your goals.
09-17-2008, 02:13 PM
Your going to have to start monitoring your calories and your macronutrient ratio's so you know how much nutrition your getting. Good job as staying away from the junk that's a big step. Yah your a long way from having to take supss the good news is with a general clean up of your diet and exercise strategy is going to pay off big time. Use what's on your shoulders to learn and make adjustments and the world will turn.
Unremarkable is no way to go through life... Doug
09-17-2008, 02:36 PM
i had great results with MHP up your mass and Lipo 6/methly ripped and growth factor by nutrabolics
i would do 2 full servings of MHP a day and i leaned up quite nicely
i=diet looked like this
wake up 20min pre run 2 scoops growth factor
2 mile run
then up your mass
then i goto work have some food (whole wheat lean protein and healthy fat each meal)
after workout i would do up your mass again
at 7 pm there was a carb cut off and only protein and fats were used.
lthe fat burners were taken with breakfast and mid afternoon snack.
09-17-2008, 07:10 PM
09-17-2008, 07:14 PM
I think if you are at 10% right now, then you should just work on slowly bulking, and not worry about trying to burn fat at the same time. It will be counterproductive, and if you ever plan to see 225, you've got 70 pounds to gain. even at 18lbs a year (1.5 lean pounds a month) you are looking at least 4-5 years. and managing to gain that much is difficult. so I'd scratch the idea of fat loss for now.
09-18-2008, 12:40 AM
Agree with both Easy and DreamWeaver, 10%BF is already very low, so emphasizing a bulk rather than a cut is a good starting point. Besides, with good clean diet you shouldn't accumulate too much mud in the process.
IMPORTANT: growing muscle without adequate rest is "mission impossible". As DreamWeaver said, you may be doing a bit too much. Concentrate on intensity rather than volume and give your body enough time to recover. In the gym - we destroy the muscle, outside of the gym-we grow.
NO REST=NO GROWTH.
You are not a beginner trainee any longer so training each body part twice per week may be an overkill, SAME GOES FOR THE ABS. The only exception to this rule is if a particular body part is lagging in growth. Then you may want to hit it twice per week as a "shock method"-meaning: this does not become part of a routine, otherwise it will no longer work as a shock
As far as supplements go, Anabolic Pump (Usp Labs) is a great supplement for those who respond to it, it sensitizes the muscles to uptake more glucose, therefore it is a great weapon for those who aim for a clean bulk...
Anabolic Pump FAQ
...I'm a stubborn clean bulker too
2 DAYS ON RECREATE/PWFULL/AP-feeling like an alpha FE-MALE !!!
09-18-2008, 10:03 AM
Yes I agree with everything that is being said here. I just wanted to expand a bit on body fat and where to be when bulking. Everyone has a point where they bulk at, it's usually an optimum level where they remain reasonably lean and add mass. This is usually between 10-15% body fat, depending on body type. How you bulk, how much your eat etc... also id dependant on body type. So you see it's all about getting to know your body and that takes time and study.
Attaining very low body fat levels is not normally something we can maintain year round I guess if you are and ecto and are basically satisfied with your mass you can maintain 6 to 8% year round but any lower maintenance would be unrealistic.
Unremarkable is no way to go through life... Doug
09-18-2008, 01:36 PM
Thanks i figured it would be quite a while before i reached my goals. and from what it sounds like i will be staying away from muscletech from now on. and overworking is something i heard a lot of so what do you recomend. a monday, wednsday, friday, split. i always feel lazy working that little. but if i do it then will i start to gain more mass and power. i know now muscletech is bad but here is a workout i found on there that one of the team athletes do tell me if it is any good. oh and i will have to try some of those recomedations. oh and DreamWeaver, i was told by a guy at my local gym that the only two muscle groups in the body you could work everyday are abs and calfs. because they were primarily slowtwitch muscles and they recoup faster. is that true or was the guy full of ****. and just in case this message sounds like i am being sarcastic (with DreamWeaver) i am not, i am being serious.
Incline T-bar rows 3 sets x 10 reps
One arm dumbell rows 3 sets x 8 reps
Bent-over barbell rows 3 sets x 8 reps
Lat pull downs 3 sets x 15 reps
Seated upright row machine3 sets x 15 reps
Hammer strength pull downs 3 sets x 15 reps
Seated low cable row 3 sets x 20 reps
Rear delts on fly machine 4 sets x 10 reps
Bent over dumbell rear laterals 4 sets x 10 reps
Incline bench press 2 warm-up sets and then 3 sets x 8-12 reps
Flat dumbell press 3 sets x 10 reps, drop set on last set
Hammer strength incline press 3 sets x 10 reps
Weighted dips (with chains) 3 sets to failure
Cable crossovers 3 sets x 15 reps
Standing dumbell curls 3 sets x 8 reps
Standing barbell curls 3 sets x 12 reps
Preacher curls 3 sets x 12 reps
Tricep pushdowns 3 sets x 15 reps
Seated dip machine 3 sets x 15 reps
Rope pushdowns 4 sets x 12 reps
Leg extensions 2 warm-up sets x 100 reps
Squats 2 light sets then 2 heavy sets to failure
Hack squats 3 sets x 10-15 reps
Leg press 3 sets x 30 reps
Seated leg curls 3 sets x 15 reps
Standing leg curls 3 sets x 10 reps
Lying leg curls 3 sets x 12 reps
Deadlifts 3-4 warm-up sets then 4-5 heavy sets x 5-8 reps
Military press 2 warm-up sets and then 3 sets x 10 reps
Squats3 sets x 12 reps
Side laterals 3 sets x 8-12 reps
Dumbell front raises 3 sets x 8 reps
Upright rows 3 sets x 12 reps
09-18-2008, 01:52 PM
09-18-2008, 04:22 PM
Unremarkable is no way to go through life... Doug
09-18-2008, 05:36 PM
I find intensity much more improtant than volume, vloume should be intense not just ... well... volumous. For me that workout would be overtraining with high intensiy, super hard, grunt and fight sets (excluding warmups, and hard because of stellar form).
09-18-2008, 05:44 PM
In addition to what everyone else has already said, I like DCP/ Leviathin Reloaded for fat burning. And I like RPM for lean gains.
09-18-2008, 05:44 PM
09-19-2008, 09:27 AM
09-19-2008, 01:20 PM
alright so keep it intense, dont overwork your muscles, (adequit resting time, and sleep), diet is everything, and it is hard to bulk while getting cut. a lot of people mentioned anabolic pump and methyl ripped so i will check those specifically out. later
09-19-2008, 01:21 PM
09-19-2008, 02:12 PM
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