Poll: Cycle support (AI) or Cycle assist (CEL)

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Cycle support (AI) or Cycle assist (CEL)

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by Usf97j4x4 View Post
    You should explore the relationship between dietary b6 intake and blood concentration levels. It might surprise you.
    What do you mean?


  2. Quote Originally Posted by futurepilot View Post
    What do you mean?
    I was reading some studies that suggest that only a minor portion of dietary B6 actually makes it into your bloodstream but i'm still reading up to determine the %, etc. Getting side tracked by the political announcement today.
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  3. She's kind of hot for an older lady
    RcB Since 09-06-2011 20:55 EST, Post 49

  4. Quote Originally Posted by stxnas View Post
    She's kind of hot for an older lady
    Shes a governor i'd like to.. GILF lol

    Although she has a manly mandible.. kind of a man chin and jaw line.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by Usf97j4x4 View Post
    I was reading some studies that suggest that only a minor portion of dietary B6 actually makes it into your bloodstream but i'm still reading up to determine the %, etc. Getting side tracked by the political announcement today.

    If you find any studys that show B6 to be non-toxic at upper level dosages let me know.

    And McCains running mate? I think it genius, but thats another thread...
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by futurepilot View Post
    If you find any studys that show B6 to be non-toxic at upper level dosages let me know.

    And McCains running mate? I think it genius, but thats another thread...
    I've found a few so far but the dosages are higher than Cycle Assist. Always going to be some outliers at lower doses and some that megadose it with no problems... just like anything IMO. I am also looking into the timeframe... i.e. 30 days of use. The "typical" danger zone from studies i'm reading is 2,000 Mg per day.

    FP, man come check my thread in the politics section right now.. good stuff.. i was surprised you arent there yet.

  7. It's pretty cool of CEL to make a capped product with an amazing profile like that.

    I've used Cycle Support to void the negatives of a pretty hefty cycle and it got the job done well. The taste of the PB flavor was quite good mixed with vanilla Oryx Goat Whey protein.
    Freedom means nothing here.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by Force of Green View Post
    It's pretty cool of CEL to make a capped product with an amazing profile like that.

    I've used Cycle Support to void the negatives of a pretty hefty cycle and it got the job done well. The taste of the PB flavor was quite good mixed with vanilla Oryx Goat Whey protein.
    We got lots of stuff coming out, stay tuned

  9. Quote Originally Posted by Usf97j4x4 View Post
    It does get ridiculous when you're popping 45 pills a day, lol
    Cannot argue that. I did not run Cycle Support on my 1st cycle and had a hard time remembering damn did I take this pillor was it that pill and how many times a day
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  10. Quote Originally Posted by pembroke3355 View Post
    Cannot argue that. I did not run Cycle Support on my 1st cycle and had a hard time remembering damn did I take this pillor was it that pill and how many times a day
    I have one of those old person rotary pill boxes LOL

  11. Quote Originally Posted by Riquee View Post
    Isn't this list based on 30 servings for CS and 60 for CA?

    C-assist should be dosed at 8 caps which will give you 30 servings, the above is based on 4 caps for C-assist, right?

    so the C-assist would look like this:

    240 caps each serving is 4 caps, recommended dose on cycle is 8 caps which will provide the following:

    CYCLE ASSIST

    N-Acetyl-l-Cysteine 1500 mg **
    Milk Thistle (Standardized to 80% Silymarin) 1000 mg **
    Pantothenic Acid (Vitamin B-5) 1000 mg
    Hawthorn Berry Extract (Satndardized to 1.8% Vitexin) 600 mg **
    Vitamin B-6 (Pyridoxine HCL) 400 mg
    Saw Palmetto Extract (Standardized to 45% Fatty Acids) 320 mg **
    Celery Seed Extract (10:1) 150 mg **
    Grape Seed Extract (95% Proanthocyanidins) 150 mg **
    Policosanol 40 mg **
    Zinc Gluconate 30 mg

    Do not hate if am wrong here

    Cycle Support

    Amount Per Serving % Daily Value

    Red Yeast Rice 1200mg **
    Silymarin (milk thistle extract) 1000mg **
    NAC 1200mg **
    Hawthron Bery 1000mg **
    Saw Palmetto 300mg **
    Policosonol 20mg **
    Celery Seed Extract 150mg **
    Nettle Root 250mg **
    Idebenone 100mg **

    Ours is labeled at half the daily provided serving - so you are correct there sir. I've never seen any documented cases of health issues solely from Pyridoxine HCL with the exception of cases where it was used in doses from 2,000-6,000mg ED for months. Also AAS can lower B6 levels as the B6 will stop prolactin build-up and can help with acne. Both are great products with similar ingredient profiles I'd make my decision on Hawthorn Extract as its benefits come from vitexin, along with cost. (Plus I may be a little bias)

  12. Quote Originally Posted by Ziquor View Post
    There's never been any documented cases of health issues solely from Pyridoxine HCL with the exception of cases where it was used in doses from 2,000-6,000mg ED for months. Also AAS can lower B6 levels.
    I think you may be overstating the safeness of B6.

    The patients were taking 24 and 40 mg per day, respectively. Neurotoxic syndromes due to pyridoxine overdose have been described before in patients taking high-dose vitamin B.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1...RVAbstractPlus


    Neurological damage has been reported at extremely high intakes (in excess of 500 mg/d), and even more modest doses (50-100 mg/d) cannot be regarded as being without hazard.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2661220

  13. Quote Originally Posted by futurepilot View Post
    I think you may be overstating the safeness of B6.

    The patients were taking 24 and 40 mg per day, respectively. Neurotoxic syndromes due to pyridoxine overdose have been described before in patients taking high-dose vitamin B.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1...RVAbstractPlus


    Neurological damage has been reported at extremely high intakes (in excess of 500 mg/d), and even more modest doses (50-100 mg/d) cannot be regarded as being without hazard.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2661220
    The study was pretty vague with males in their 60's with no mention of previous medical history. If you have any detailed clinical diagnoses stemming from sole B6 use I'd love to see them though. In young males on steroids the situation is much different. Many ingredients, including those in the two aforementioned polled supplements can be dangerous when used in the wrong situations.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by Ziquor View Post
    If you have any detailed clinical diagnoses stemming from sole B6 use I'd love to see them though.

    Burden of proof would be on you in this instance if you can find studies that show that it's not toxic i would be interested to see them.

    I think Usf97j4x4 is looking for said studies also.

  15. I voted for Cycle Support, I dont mind the taste and its a great value compared to Life Support, the capped version, or even to Cycle Assist.

    When talking CS vs CA its not even close, LS vs CA would have been a more accurate title.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by futurepilot View Post
    Burden of proof would be on you in this instance if you can find studies that show that it's not toxic i would be interested to see them.

    I think Usf97j4x4 is looking for said studies also.

    The DEA approved 500mg caps for sale long ago. In people with deficiency such as AAS cycles the benefits outweigh the risk, just as with RYR.

  17. Quote Originally Posted by Ziquor View Post
    The DEA approved 500mg caps for sale long ago. In people with deficiency such as AAS cycles the benefits outweigh the risk, just as with RYR.
    Wow, now were using the DEA as a reliable source of sound judgement? And do you mean FDA?

    Im not trying to bash CEL, I feel its a reasonable query. I, along with many others, have read study after study that say that B6 is toxic, I would just like to be proven wrong, before I decide to take an excessive dose of B6 for an extended period of time, fair enough?

  18. Quote Originally Posted by LatSpread View Post
    I voted for Cycle Support, I dont mind the taste and its a great value compared to Life Support, the capped version, or even to Cycle Assist.

    When talking CS vs CA its not even close, LS vs CA would have been a more accurate title.
    Doesn't make sense. With both these supps you get a month supply and the daily doses are about the same but CA is $14 cheaper FTW

  19. Quote Originally Posted by Daminals View Post
    Doesn't make sense. With both these supps you get a month supply and the daily doses are about the same but CA is $14 cheaper FTW
    my bad I was misled in the comparison by that damn "amount per serving....2 servings provide" on the Cycle Support bottle. Looks like CEL's product really is the way to go, repped for clearing that one up for me, I'll have to give CEL my business the next go round.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by futurepilot View Post
    Wow, now were using the DEA as a reliable source of sound judgement? And do you mean FDA?

    Im not trying to bash CEL, I feel its a reasonable query. I, along with many others, have read study after study that say that B6 is toxic, I would just like to be proven wrong, before I decide to take an excessive dose of B6 for an extended period of time, fair enough?
    Understood, everything's toxic at some point.

    Can you get too much B6? Yes, but you have to really work at it. Doses of more than 1,000 milligrams a day for more than 90 days can cause tingling, numbness, or burning in the fingers and toes.
    <-- This is in regular individuals with normal homocysteine levels as those with elevated homocysteine levels would have an even higher threshold.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by futurepilot View Post
    Wow, now were using the DEA as a reliable source of sound judgement? And do you mean FDA?

    Im not trying to bash CEL, I feel its a reasonable query. I, along with many others, have read study after study that say that B6 is toxic, I would just like to be proven wrong, before I decide to take an excessive dose of B6 for an extended period of time, fair enough?

    I wouldn't recommend someone who's not taking steroids to take higher levels of Vitamin B6. However Anabolic / Androgenic steroids increase homocysteine levels which in turn can cause a plethora of severe issues including hardening of the arteries / atherosclerosis which leads to a greatly increased risk of stoke and heart disease. Vitamin B6 in higher dosed (500-1,500mg per day) has shown to effectively decrease and normalize homocysteine levels and it’s been safely used in numerous individuals with elevated homocysteine levels.

    Again I would recommend it for those not taking AAS but for those who are On a cycle or have elevated homocysteine levels due to schizophrenia or other disorders which can increase homocysteine, it can be safely used and it can also have a tremendous amount of health benefits for these aforementioned individuals. Below is a study where it was safely and effectively used to normalize homocysteine at 1,200mg per day. I’d say if it still makes you uncomfortable to try Cycle Support as I mentioned both are great products


    High-dose vitamin B6 decreases homocysteine serum ...[Clin Neuropharmacol. 2007 Jan-Feb] - PubMed Result

  22. Quote Originally Posted by Ziquor View Post
    Again I would recommend it for those not taking AAS but for those who are On a cycle or have elevated homocysteine levels due to schizophrenia or other disorders which can increase homocysteine, it can be safely used and it can also have a tremendous amount of health benefits for these aforementioned individuals. Below is a study where it was safely and effectively used to normalize homocysteine at 1,200mg per day. Id say if it still makes you uncomfortable to try Cycle Support as I mentioned both are great products


    High-dose vitamin B6 decreases homocysteine serum ...[Clin Neuropharmacol. 2007 Jan-Feb] - PubMed Result
    "High doses of vitamin B6 lead to a decrease in Hcy serum level in male patients with schizophrenia or schizoaffective disorder."

    I would like to use Cycle Assist, I'm just trying to get you guys to do my research for me It's cheaper that CS and I like taking pills.

    I'm just wary of any sort of nerve damage, in my chosen profession i couldn't afford it.

  23. any updates on studies that prove futurepilot wrong?

    ??...so i assume taking a b-complex + CA would be a BAD idea??

  24. Quote Originally Posted by Ziquor View Post
    The DEA approved 500mg caps for sale long ago. In people with deficiency such as AAS cycles the benefits outweigh the risk, just as with RYR.
    fda?...but AI offers a RYR free version, you guys could possibly do the same or lower the dosage and add some idlebone

  25. I'd go for cycle support. I HATE the taste of the peanut butter but it does come in half the dose capped (life support) which is great for PCT
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