[JDStarek]

Originally Posted by timdull2

Ummm.... Please see my previous post (the one above your's).


JDS - looking good so far, man. Are you getting a bit more energy from the stims in it? I really shouldn't have snapped so much before in saying it, as the stims in SDNG do make it a great pre-w/o booster as well. Running it full-on as you are, it's a mild PH. But if you ever wanted to just use it pre-w/o and pre-w/o only, PCT wouldn't be required due to the extra light dosing.

Good luck and have fun with it!

Actually no, I don’t really notice the stims. Before I was running Vyotech’s 17HD—now that is a stim. I had great pumps with that and, sometimes, NO Explode.

Now, I don’t notice much in the way of stim. Plus, I’m an ADHD kid —so stims are a way of life for me—I thrive on a good tweak!

I think once I ramp-up to about 3 doses a day I’ll start feeling/seeing a difference.

Next time I’ll go with Epi, or something with a little more ballz. But this is a first time for me—so I wanted to go slow and see how my body responds.

So far so good.

[T-AD]

Originally Posted by JDStarek

But this is a first time for me—so I wanted to go slow and see how my body responds.

So far so good.

That's good! It's good to start out slower and work your way up.

If you aren't taking 2 pre-w/o, give it a try. It might kick in a little better. If you're a stim junkie like me, then going right into 4/day will be fine for ya. Good luck!

[footster]

Ummm.... Please see my previous post (the one above your's).


Not sure what you mean man? I just always heard SDNG was a PH or light PH as you said. However when everyone was saying its far from it, I thought I had misread.

[JDStarek]

Originally Posted by footster

Ummm.... Please see my previous post (the one above your's).


Not sure what you mean man? I just always heard SDNG was a PH or light PH as you said. However when everyone was saying its far from it, I thought I had misread.

Right, when you said "I thought SDNG was a PH"
you were saying, "yea, I thought so" he thought you were saying, "but I thought is was a ph"

You're both in agreement. Boards don't reflect intonation or body language (which together comprise about 90 percent of all inter-personal communication)

Thanks both for subscribing to the thread, BTW

[JDStarek]

Last night was a little strange. I was really pissed off. I couldn’t get comfortable, but I couldn’t hit failure either.
My first exercise was t-bar row. I switched from the bent-over row because it's hard on my back. So I decided to use a Bb and a t-bar. This too is hard on my back (even with a belt) so I went with a low-row Hammer strength machine (1 arm at a time) I like this much better. I can pull the kind of weight I want, without worrying about injuring my back.

I’ll continue with the Hammer strength on many exercises for “heavy” days, on light days I prefer free weights.

BTW how does anyone feel about behind-the-neck lat pull down? That’s what I do. I want to work on upper lats, would doing the pull downs to the front work this area better? Also, I notice that the “behind” pull downs really work my shoulders (which I DON’T want) will going to the front eliminate this?

Anyway, good lift once I got all that sorted out. I just couldn’t find my limit—which is bitter sweet. I like feeling like I can lift a barn, but need to know where and what my limits are—in order to design an effective/appropriate lifting schedule.

Shrugs are a good example; I added 10 lbs to each side, then 10 more. I would rather have started 40lbs heavier from the beginning. I feel like ladders are a waste of strength.
Next time I’ll just start out 20lbs heavier than I did the previous week and see what happens.

The bright side is that I’m adding weight every time I lift—I guess that’s good.

Shoulders are still a bit sore, and my upper back/traps are mos def feeling it today (in a good way) next time I’m going to focus on bis a little more—don’t think I pushed them enough. But wait, I have all night Sunday to rep out on biceps.

More to come…

[footster]

Originally Posted by JDStarek

Right, when you said "I thought SDNG was a PH"
you were saying, "yea, I thought so" he thought you were saying, "but I thought is was a ph"

You're both in agreement. Boards don't reflect intonation or body language (which together comprise about 90 percent of all inter-personal communication)

Thanks both for subscribing to the thread, BTW

LOL thanks for clearing that up man. I can't rememeber where but I was just reading about behind the back pull ups. They were stating how it is irregular move for the body and putting alot of unwanted pressure on the muscle. It was more detailed I'll try and look for it. I dont know, I like to change it up sometimes and do a couple sets of the "behind the back pull ups" just to hit different parts. I do as well feel it in my shoulders too.

[JDStarek]

I was off work yesterday, so I didn’t post.

There wasn’t much to post though, as I skipped my leg day. I know, I know, don’t worry—I’m not one of “those” guys. (20” biceps, 20” thighs)

I was just so incredibly worn out. Working 6 days a week, plus lifting (to grow) 6 days a week, is a tall order.

NOTE: If you haven’t read what all my leg days entail, you should.

Anyway, yesterday was chest day (2): the light day.
Good lifts, I improved my 10-rep count to 4 and even 5 sets on a couple of the lifts (my goal is to do 10 of 10 on each before the end of September)
I switched my incline bench presses to incline cable flyes. My shoulders/triceps catch a beat-down on light chest day, and I wanted to incorporate something that would isolate and focus on just the chest.

I enjoyed the workout.
Afterward, I went home and proceeded to nearly destroy my room. If SDNG is a “weak” PH I don’t think I could handle a “harsh” one. After my workouts (and sometimes during) I get absolutely crazy/enraged. I just want to stab a fμcking dolphin or something, ya know?

Anyway; today is light back day. Maybe I’ll eat a baby or something…peace…

[GQNemesis]

Originally Posted by JDStarek

If SDNG is a “weak” PH I don’t think I could handle a “harsh” one.

i dont even think SDNG is a PH at all ..let alone a weak one

i like your cycle & log ..your pct setup is pretty nice.

one question .. what does 1 serving of SDNG equals out to ?(how many caps)

good luck on your cycle

[JDStarek]

Originally Posted by GQNemesis

i dont even think SDNG is a PH at all ..let alone a weak one

i like your cycle & log ..your pct setup is pretty nice.

one question .. what does 1 serving of SDNG equals out to ?(how many caps)

good luck on your cycle

SDNG is a weak PH if you ramp-up the dosage. I guess some people take it as a pre w/o type of thing. Personally I don’t understand why you’d take it as a pre w/o. There is no creatine, no caffeine, no BCAAs, no L-Arginine. Basically, everyone is saying that it is a pre w/o, but I can’t determine why. None of its ingredients are congruent with those found in traditional pre-supps.

SDNG breakdown is like this:

Supplement Facts
Serving Size: 1 cap
Servings per Container: 90

Amount Per Serving % Daily Value

Anabolic Driver (pro hormone)
Prasterone Delta-5-androsten-3b-ol-17-one 170mg **

Estrogen eliminator
ATD (6-etioallochol-1,4-diene3,17-dione 7.5 mg **

Injection Matrix: MX-C (3,7-Dihydro-1,
3-trimethyl-1Hpurine-2,6-dione) 150mg **
Aphrodine HCL (Yohimbine) 3mg **

Metabolic HPTA support Complex:
Gokshura Extract
45% steoridal saponins,Tribol,
Furostanol, and Protodioscin 150mg **

Trigonella Isolates: (50%25a-spirosta-3,
5-diene, 20%4-Hydroxyisoleucine) 100mg **


This doesn’t look like N.O. Explode to me, particularly the (Delta-5-androsten-3b-ol-17-one)
But what do I know? Some of the guys on these boards have PhD’s in chemistry—ask them.

One serving is one cap. I started with one a day, then two…..

Thanks for checking out the log. For specifics, you can check my Workout Tracker/My Progress

[p5sky]

Wow!!!! Is the poll part of this thread? It was quite confusing . . . SDNG Cycle, then a poll on lat development. 299 people have checked in but only 2 votes . . .

[JDStarek]

Originally Posted by p5sky

Wow!!!! Is the poll part of this thread? It was quite confusing . . . SDNG Cycle, then a poll on lat development. 299 people have checked in but only 2 votes . . .

I just added the poll yesterday. I changed my routine a bit. I now do front lat pull downs--much more comfortable. I just wanted to see what everyone thinks, but no body seems very interested.

[p5sky]

I do front pulldowns at the end of my back workout, I go light and focus on the contraction and hold. I start with pullups then bent over rows.

[JDStarek]

I don’t lift on Monday’s so I went home and slept for about 11 hours last night—I needed it. I never used to need this much sleep, but I have learned from these last few months that sleep is oh so important when building muscle. I know lots of guys that party just as much as they lift—they are just steppin’ on their d!cks (Army slang)—shooting themselves in the foot.
Sleep is the most important part.

Anyway, Sunday was a good day—good lift. Was able to push a few more reps out of my biceps curls—an issue with last workout. Though my tracker doesn’t show it, I did my last 5 sets of shrugs from the seated position. This allowed me to really focus on the “squeeze” at the top of the movement.
I really felt the front pulldowns as well. Not too much in the shoulders area—good! But in the upper back area—even better!
Tonight is heavy legs—yuck!
I’m so frigin’ sick of deadlifts; but they’re one of the best exercises—ever!

[JDStarek]

Last night was heavy leg.
As usual, it was a b!tch. But, it is a necessity. I started three doses daily this week, Tuesday was the first. I took only one scoop of N.O. Explode pre w/o—as I took two SDNG servings prior to workout. I was worried I might overdo the stim.—not the case, I felt a little “down,” so I will stick with my two scoops of NOE.

I improved by a few reps on pretty much every lift. I maintained weight from last week; bumping up my deads and calf raises by a few pounds.

For those who haven’t looked at my Workout Tracker, leg day is:

5x5—480lbs leg press
5x5—205lbs squat
5x5—235lbs dead
5x5—345lbs standing calf raises
15x5 hanging leg raises

Not a lot of weight—I know, but ya’ gotta’ start somewhere.

Not sore at all today—feeling great. And best of all, I’m weighing in at a lean 178lbs!
That’s up 4 pounds from two weeks ago.
I use the same scale every week, wear the same clothes and weigh myself at the same time. So, I really do weigh 4 more pounds—maybe some water retention—though I don’t see it.

See ya’ tomorrow…

[Usf97j4x4]

Lookin good man