What BULK Ingredients do you know work? Discuss
- 08-15-2008, 11:21 AM
What BULK Ingredients do you know work? Discuss
As a supplement skeptic I am always leary of "proprietery extracts" or "synergy" ect because most ingredients have little physically noticable effects.
This got me to thinking, maybe I am missing out on something and maybe as a group we can chime in on which bulk powders we have seen real physical changes from and even which are nothing special. I am an admitted low responder/hard gainer so my expereinces may not be up to par with some.
Personally I have gotten no noticable benefit from most of the top ingredients.
I digging and the only bulks I can reccomend are:
- nice vascularity and pump and SUPER cheap
Coleus Forskohlii - Recomp effects but slight estro properties
- Slight carb effects but great anti-ox, just a solid product if you can handle the burn washing it down (again I said bulks)
- A life saver, I really love this product for a big meeting, a stressful day, or any event that scares you or even just to add to a night drinking.
Besides tht nothing has done much... So what are your top bulk products and why? Please not what things are supposed to do, lets see what they DID for YOU
- 08-15-2008, 11:30 AM
I have not tried a ton of them but for the sheer mental clarity GTE and ALCAR seem worth it when I have the extra cash.
I like r-ala quite a bit too.
JR, what have you tried that did NOT work?
- 08-15-2008, 11:37 AM
This actually might be a good way to figure out what you do and don't respond to. I don't think going bulk you are necessarily going to find superior quality but you are going to have more flexibility customizing stacks that work for you. It involves more research and trial and error but like you said you have been a non-responder to several highly touted products so you may not have a choice.
Use your past experince, like I said the bulks will not likely be superior in quality so avoid ingredients that didn't work for you before.
08-15-2008, 11:51 AM
I personally don't like:
Yellow gold - I thought it was working then realized it was my diet and training
cissus - placebo for me, great for most
BCAA - not noticable
luecine - again not nopticable
arginines - not enough to warrent buying
Beta-alanine - tingles from hell for no gain
citruline malate - tastes bad and noticed nothing
ect ect ect...
I am always searching for the next find and think this board is entertaining but I try to avoid buyinging most things although I'll admit p-5-p drew me in recently for prolactin issues and although its not a bulk I really like vpx meltdown right now.
08-15-2008, 12:22 PM
this thread seems promising. i've tried so many products and nothing has really even effected me. No-explode and most other NO products dont do a single thing for me.
as mentioned above, glycerol mono is one of the very few things that actually works. as a bonus its super cheap, so i can say it will be a staple from now on. im tryin cissus now... that looks promising as well. just made 300 "00" sized caps with 200g bulk powder so we'll see how that works.
green mag works as well, although i've only tried it a few times and im saving my tub for PCT. i dont know why thats the only form of creatine that effects me. but i dont see creatine chelate on NP in bulk
08-15-2008, 12:36 PM
Really I think we need to know what products in bulk form work before deciding what formulas are worth the extra expense i.e. if something mixes a couple bulks that you know work for you then the packaging and slight quality control might be worth the ebenefit for the added price.
08-15-2008, 12:44 PM
08-15-2008, 12:48 PM
I am not interested in paying additional money to get more ingredients because they are "synergistic", how do I know they are really synergistic and how do i know the doses are high enough to cross the threshold for effectiveness?
I hate paying more for something I didn't ask for when I can get mroe of the things that I feel working for the same price or less.. Again I am cheap and skeptic and not ashamed to say that. ha
08-15-2008, 12:51 PM
There are reasons every company has almost the same ingredients in their new forumals (minus 1-2 unique "revolutionary" new finds)
1. Certain things work
2. Certain things are industry trends and expected
3. certain products get attention at a given time (see above)
For me reason one is all I care about and I don't want to pay for the other ingredients that were throw in for reasons 2 and 3 or even worse the "unique and revoultionary" finds thrown in with little science to seperate them from the other copycat formulas.
08-15-2008, 01:05 PM
I too am interested in bulks but my knowledge is not sufficient to come up with the proper combinations at this time. Yes I hope buying bulk can save me money, but I will be looking for synergy between different additives as results are all I am really after. I am not a supplement expert by any means, my strengths have always been diet and exercise. The only reason that supplementation has become more important to me is age, and the increase of effectiveness in modern supplementation.
That having been said I look forward to the information on this thread and hope to increase my understanding.
08-15-2008, 01:19 PM
as far as all this synergy stuff is concerned... GMS also make creatine like 3x more effective.
anyone have any experience with yellow gold? what exactly does it do?
theres so much stuff i would try in bulk form if i had a lil more money. some of those herbs look like they may work as well.
08-15-2008, 01:30 PM
08-15-2008, 02:25 PM
YG is the most disgusting stuff on earth, not worth the mess it makes for minimal effects. I also will not ever buy Bulk BCAA again. Noticed nothing and i fell i get enough BCAA from protein powder. It also tastes wretched and takes forever to dissolve. Beta alanine made me tingle and nothing else. i am also thinking of dropping Xtend and replacing it with CRYSTAL LIGHT as a placebo test, just to see if it does actually make a difference in recovery.
Bulk ingredients that work for me:
Ill add in something for energy (either rpm or Green tea + caffeine) and some Omega 3s and I am good to go.
08-15-2008, 02:39 PM
08-15-2008, 04:51 PM
I seemed to grow just fine before i ever took bulk aminos or xtend. In fact I would throw out all supplements except for whey and creatine and throw in some winny/test and you are guaranteed to grow...and it also costs less.
08-15-2008, 04:58 PM
my favorite bulk products for a good recomp cycle have been
the synergy between them is incredible...and since u noticed slight estrogenic side effects from forskolin just throw in some low dosed bulk ATD...
08-15-2008, 06:09 PM
08-15-2008, 06:12 PM
08-15-2008, 06:25 PM
08-15-2008, 09:02 PM
These 2 I was skeptical about ... until I ran out thinking it was a waste. Until I started feeling that burn so intense you want to scream again which I had not felt for so long. Starting taking BA again and about 2 weeks later no more screaming
And if Cissus is placebo I will still take it, because my knee feels about %80 better when I take about 2.5 grams a day.
Other than those...
ALCAR dosed at 3g a day
08-15-2008, 09:32 PM
I really want to try p-lcar. I remember dsade saying one was more for mind and one more for body but i forget which was which...
Alcar was ok but not noticable so I'll give it another try because its cheap and I am cheap... not like that...
08-15-2008, 09:41 PM
1. cre phosphate or mono- def. helps w/ recovery from hard training, very noticeable effects on vs. off
2. whey protein- again, helps with recovery
3. L-tyrosine- helps any stim work even better, plus it is great for alertness, focus, and appetite suppression
4. L-phenyl alanine- same as 3
5. cit malate- def. noticed an endurance boost when I have taken this
6. HMB- 10-20 grams per day, plus cre phos. dramatically increases recovery
7. forskolin- great fat burner, pct, and boosts free test
8. maltodextrin- great stuff post wo, and very cheap
my company only includes 3 or 4 of the above in our formulations- but i have good success with all of these.....
Dirk Tanis, BA, MSci
Chief Operating Officer, Applied Nutriceuticals
08-15-2008, 10:24 PM
My favorite bulks:
1. Green Tea - So many benefits, it just makes me feel all around better
2. GMS - I use it when I know I wont be able to go to a bathroom for a long time lol, can stay hydrated but don't have to take a whiz for hours after dosing
3. Creatine + Dextrose + BCAA's or Leucine - Awesome intraworkout or postworkout combination and dirt cheap.
4. 1 Carboxy - Great sleep and also focus for workouts.
5. ATD - Only product I have bought from a site other than NutraPlanet or All The Whey. When dosed properly its awesome for lowering estrogen. I have gotten great strength gains from 50mg ed suspended in olive oil.
I just picked up some Grape Seed Extract so I am looking forward to giving that a try down the road. On paper it looks like one hell of a anti-ox and general health supplement, but only time will tell.
Muscle Pharm Rep
08-16-2008, 12:34 AM
with the 1 carboxy... does it just help w/ sleep or have you noticed and GH benefits as well? and why does NP have to always be out of it
08-16-2008, 03:03 AM
08-16-2008, 03:08 AM
Muscle Pharm Rep
08-16-2008, 04:22 AM
My favorite bulks are:
Coleus Forskohlii (20% Forskolin)
I find Piracetam helped me retain information immensely while studying for exams. I stacked it with Aniracetam and ALCAR and the synergy was outstanding for me. The ALCAR helped me focus and the two *racetams helped me retain information. Studying without that stack was definitely not as productive.
The Coleus Forskohlii (20% Forskolin) definitely helped me recomp. I stacked Raspberry Ketones and Green Tea with it during a recomp and leaned out quite a bit while staying the pretty much the same weight.. I just wish I took pictures. Unfortunately I had to eventually drop the Forskolin due to GI issues, but I would definitely run it again at lower doses.
08-16-2008, 07:07 AM
08-16-2008, 11:30 AM
Those are the only three supplements I have tried that are worth the money.I am going to order some PLCar in the next few days and see how it works.
08-16-2008, 12:53 PM
My favorite bulks:
1. Whey Protein
2. Creatine Ethyl Ester Malate (get too bloated from mono)
3. Acetyl L-Carnitine (during cut)
4. Cod Liver Oil
7. BCAA (not great gains, but good intra-workout energy)
9. Vitamin C
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