ICON - 11-Ketotestosterone

  1. ICON - 11-Ketotestosterone


    Hey guys anyone have info on this one, ICON - 11-Ketotestosterone? Is this a new compound or is this the same "11-Test" type compounds that are around already? Are they the same as the 11-Oxo type stuff too?

    Thanks.

    Mr.50


  2. this was the reply i got to this very same question on BBrevealed.com

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    Looks like it should work along the same principle as 11-OXO. See: http://www.bodybuildingrevealed.com/...ead.php?t=8781

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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by mrbeverage
    so when they say......

    . "The StarChem Laboratories research team has uncovered a potent muscle building agent that has never before been introduced to the dietary supplement market."

    .... it is false, because it has already been introduced to the bb markert by ergopharm.
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    There's a technical distinction between Ergopharm's product and StarChem's, but it's safe to say that this description is a little over-the-top.

  3. Quote Originally Posted by mrbeverage View Post
    this was the reply i got to this very same question on BBrevealed.com

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    Looks like it should work along the same principle as 11-OXO. See: http://www.bodybuildingrevealed.com/...ead.php?t=8781

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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by mrbeverage
    so when they say......

    . "The StarChem Laboratories research team has uncovered a potent muscle building agent that has never before been introduced to the dietary supplement market."

    .... it is false, because it has already been introduced to the bb markert by ergopharm.
    -----------------------------------------------------------
    There's a technical distinction between Ergopharm's product and StarChem's, but it's safe to say that this description is a little over-the-top.


    Thanks Mr.Bev. I can not open the link but I get the jist of your post.

    Mr.50
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  4. i also found this about 11keto-test......\it was in sinners sticky.. it has derivartive of it.....

    Oxyguno
    Innovator: Spectra Force
    Nomenclature: 4-chloro-17 -methyl- etioallochol-4-ene- 17 -ol-3,11-dione
    Pill Size: 7.5mg
    Dosages: 7.5-22.5mg daily
    Side effects: Heptatoxicity from 17a-methylation. Very low androgenic sides.
    Reputation: This is a derivative of the fish androgen, 11-keto-testosterone. 17 alkylation improves oral bioavailability; however, the addition of a 4-chloro group greatly lowers the anabolic/androgenic potential of an already weak androgen. What we're left with is a steroid with an incredibly low Q factor (anabolic divided by androgenic). I would expect this to be a great addition for cutting or possibly recomp, but a poor choice for bulking or looking to gain strength.



    looks like everything old is new again.

  5. I've read that 11-OXO is a "Pro-Hormone" of 11-Ketotestosterone (11-OXO is converted in 11-Keto), so theoretically, 11-Keto must be better than 11-OXO (11-Keto is the "target" of 11-OXO), but the problem is that nobody knows if oral availability of 11-keto is the same, better or lower than oral availability of 11-OXO (Adrenosterone)


  6. A Z nutrition claims it's 4-5 times stronger than 11oxo. I've asked the starchem rep several times for studies or feedback, and he hasn't responded in over a week.
    "I would be proud to sport that body on the beach, or for a hot date." -Dsade commenting on my pics

  7. Quote Originally Posted by Cool View Post
    A Z nutrition claims it's 4-5 times stronger than 11oxo. I've asked the starchem rep several times for studies or feedback, and he hasn't responded in over a week.
    Feedback will dictate how well this works and it will take time to get the feedback. Always take what you read on B B.com will a grain of salt, b/c fan boys will always bash competitor products without giving them a chance. Their rep is probably just an employee and will not be as resourceful or helpful as a rep that is always on the board.

  8. If 11-oxo converts into 11-keto, then a pure 11-keto would be a first.

    Nothing against ergo but the idea that one can say they brought 11-keto to the market yet sells 11-oxo which needs to be taken and then converted in the body to 11-keto is a bit of a stretch.

  9. PA posted somewhere that he was concerned about the bioavailibility of 11-keto.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by bkprice View Post
    If 11-oxo converts into 11-keto, then a pure 11-keto would be a first.
    Yes, theoretically 11-Keto must be better than 11-OXO


    Quote Originally Posted by Work View Post
    PA posted somewhere that he was concerned about the bioavailibility of 11-keto.
    Thats the only problem with 11-Keto: Nobody knows its oral bioavailibility.


    Edit to say that BioTest launched Transdermal 11-Keto:

    TESTOSTERONE NATION - Something Wicked This Way Comes... Again
    Last edited by JBerto; 08-18-2008 at 10:31 AM. Reason: BioTest launched Transdermal 11-KT

  11. Quote Originally Posted by JBerto View Post

    Edit to say that BioTest launched Transdermal 11-Keto:

    TESTOSTERONE NATION - Something Wicked This Way Comes... Again
    I cant find the Trans dermal version anywhere.
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplements/173797-one-small-step.html Getting my ass beat and logging it.

  12. This thread is almost a year old. TD is sold out/gone and pills are under dosed/too expensive.
    "I would be proud to sport that body on the beach, or for a hot date." -Dsade commenting on my pics

  13. Quote Originally Posted by Cool View Post
    This thread is almost a year old. TD is sold out/gone and pills are under dosed/too expensive.
    PA's Prototype Nutrition now selling 11-KT transdermal spray. It's one of 2 products they offer, the other one is 7 Spray, combo of 7-keto and 7-AET, I believe.
  

  
 

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