Plcar

**RobInKuwait** · 08-08-2008, 10:30 AM

I've experienced amazing performance benefits from taking PLCAR supplement at about 2-4g a day. Two things I've noticed:

- Sports performance increases dramatically. I play beach volleyball in the summer and I move quicker, hit harder, and have more endurance when I take a couple of grams of PLCAR a couple of hours before I play. This is not a placebo effect.

- I can lift more and my muscles have more endurance in the gym. I get better gains off PLCAR than creatine mono, and don't have to deal with bloating. For awhile I was using both and experiencing even better effects, but its summer and I don't want any shirtless bloat, so I'm going with just PLCAR for now.

This is an amazing supplement. The only thing I've ever taken that has given me better performance benefits has been pro-hormones and steroids.

Anyone else had similar experiences with PLCAR?

**Highlanda01602** · 08-08-2008, 11:49 AM

Same here, PLCAR rocks man! Underrated/underappreciated IMO.

May be unpopular as for the most part, it improves endurance (which translates to strength down the road however). PLCAR has a medicinal use in patients with chronic fatigue syndrome, if that's anything to back up the claims. The endurance increase many have noted in DCP (RPN's fatloss) has been linked to their addition of PLCAR. Although I have yet to come across a study that proves this, I've read from a few sources that PLCAR upregulates the androgen receptors, which is always a plus for AAS users and non-hormonal individuals alike.

I've been going with 2g in the morning if I'm training running, ~30 mins after a light meal. I may toss in 2g in my pre-workout coctail as well! As a side note - following a session with PLCAR (or ALCAR), it helps to dose ALA to combat the increased free radicals that these compounds produce. Not mandatory, but I've found that a half dose of RPN's NoXidant has been a great finish. I've been using that however due to the other supplements I use in conjunction with my morning pre-run mix... the usual tried and true BA/CM/Posidon concoction!

Good call on spreading the word about PLCAR.

**RobInKuwait** · 08-08-2008, 01:00 PM

Yeah, its definitely under-appreciated. Maybe because its relatively expensive and only comes in powder form. DCP has it, but you'd have do dose a crazy amount of DCP to get 2-4 grams daily.

I used to dose k-r-ala after ALCAR but never did for PLCAR....haven't really had any issues so far. Would the increase in free radicals limit gains or have other side effects?

**Trauma1** · 08-08-2008, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by RobInKuwait

Yeah, its definitely under-appreciated. Maybe because its relatively expensive and only comes in powder form. DCP has it, but you'd have do dose a crazy amount of DCP to get 2-4 grams daily.

I used to dose k-r-ala after ALCAR but never did for PLCAR....haven't really had any issues so far. Would the increase in free radicals limit gains or have other side effects?

Yes, it would be wise to add some type of antioxidant blend to combat the excessive effects of free radical damage.

However, also keep in mind that free radical induced damage also has it's advantages as well (In regard to anabolism). The key it to let the beneficial aspects do their thing, and then provide the antioxidant protection before the good turns to bad.

We recommend our NOxidant to be taken at night before bed on training days. This allows for the benefical effects of free radicals to take place while limiting the negative aspect in the end.

In all honesty though, you shouldn't need more than 2 grams of PLCAR/day.

BBBilly · 08-08-2008, 01:23 PM

Glad to see this thread!

I have been considering PLCAR for quite awhile now. What prevents me from doing it is no availability of it in bulk anymore. The only place I managed to find a variation of it (Glycine PLCAR) in bulk is B-A-C.

Any suggestions (besides the caped offerings) would be greatly appreciated.

I hope once I find a good source, I will experience similar benefits as you guys.

**Trauma1** · 08-08-2008, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Highlanda01602

Same here, PLCAR rocks man! Underrated/underappreciated IMO.

May be unpopular as for the most part, it improves endurance (which translates to strength down the road however). PLCAR has a medicinal use in patients with chronic fatigue syndrome, if that's anything to back up the claims. The endurance increase many have noted in DCP (RPN's fatloss) has been linked to their addition of PLCAR. Although I have yet to come across a study that proves this, I've read from a few sources that PLCAR upregulates the androgen receptors, which is always a plus for AAS users and non-hormonal individuals alike.

I've been going with 2g in the morning if I'm training running, ~30 mins after a light meal. I may toss in 2g in my pre-workout coctail as well! As a side note - following a session with PLCAR (or ALCAR), it helps to dose ALA to combat the increased free radicals that these compounds produce. Not mandatory, but I've found that a half dose of RPN's NoXidant has been a great finish. I've been using that however due to the other supplements I use in conjunction with my morning pre-run mix... the usual tried and true BA/CM/Posidon concoction!

Good call on spreading the word about PLCAR.

DCP works along a few different pathways to create an increased endurance effect. TTA is a PPAR alpha receptor agonist that not only increases glucose regulation, but also in fatty acid metabolism. TTA also enhances mitochondrial oxidative capacity and reduces free fatty acid and triglyceride levels. DCP has been designed to very effectively utilize oxidized fatty acids as energy.

The addition of PLCAR further enhances the transport mechanism of this usable energy source into the mitochondria of skeletal and cardiac muscle. This translates into an increased cardiovascular endurance effect.

**RobInKuwait** · 08-08-2008, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Trauma1

Yes, it would be wise to add some type of antioxidant blend to combat the excessive effects of free radical damage.

However, also keep in mind that free radical induced damage also has it's advantages as well (In regard to anabolism). The key it to let the beneficial aspects do their thing, and then provide the antioxidant protection before the good turns to bad.

We recommend our NOxidant to be taken at night before bed on training days. This allows for the benefical effects of free radicals to take place while limiting the negative aspect in the end.

In all honesty though, you shouldn't need more than 2 grams of PLCAR/day.

Thanks for the info Trauma.

I'm going to wiki free radicals. I don't know the first thing about them.

As for the not needing more than 2 grams a day...what is that based on? I know ALCAR is very subjective about doses and results, it seems like PLCAR would be as well. If someone was larger, wouldn't they need more?

**Trauma1** · 08-08-2008, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by RobInKuwait

Thanks for the info Trauma.

I'm going to wiki free radicals. I don't know the first thing about them.

As for the not needing more than 2 grams a day...what is that based on? I know ALCAR is very subjective about doses and results, it seems like PLCAR would be as well. If someone was larger, wouldn't they need more?

No problem.

Rob, check out my write-up on our NOxidant:

NOxidant Write-Up

It has a whole breakdown of free radical and antioxidants in there that i'll think you'll find is a good read. There are also quite a few abstracts from studies in there as well.

I base my PLCAR statement on my own research and personally experiences. However, definitely experiment with the dosing to find what works best for you. I will say though that the majority of what i've read over the years 2 grams/day seems to be the upper limit for effectiveness in most.

**RobInKuwait** · 08-08-2008, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by BBBilly

Glad to see this thread!

I have been considering PLCAR for quite awhile now. What prevents me from doing it is no availability of it in bulk anymore. The only place I managed to find a variation of it (Glycine PLCAR) in bulk is B-A-C.

Any suggestions (besides the caped offerings) would be greatly appreciated.

I hope once I find a good source, I will experience similar benefits as you guys.

www.nutraplanet.com

You can buy 100 grams for like 25 bucks. Not the cheapest, but still alot cheaper than most pre-capped sups.

**RobInKuwait** · 08-08-2008, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Trauma1

No problem.

Rob, check out my write-up on our NOxidant:

NOxidant Write-Up

It has a whole breakdown of free radical and antioxidants in there that i'll think you'll find is a good read. There are also quite a few abstracts from studies in there as well.

I base my PLCAR statement on my own research and personally experiences. However, definitely experiment with the dosing to find what works best for you. I will say though that the majority of what i've read over the years 2 grams/day seems to be the upper limit for effectiveness in most.

Thanks for the info Trauma!

**DreamWeaver** · 08-08-2008, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by RobInKuwait

www.nutraplanet.com

You can buy 100 grams for like 25 bucks. Not the cheapest, but still alot cheaper than most pre-capped sups.

Out of stock, my wife has CFS so I was very interested in picking some up.

**RobInKuwait** · 08-08-2008, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by DreamWeaver

Out of stock, my wife has CFS so I was very interested in picking some up.

I must've got the last of it....my order came in on Wed.

**DreamWeaver** · 08-08-2008, 03:09 PM

Well hope the restock it...