Did Universal/Animal take over this board??

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  1. You really have no clue what you're talking about.
    Quote Originally Posted by justreading View Post
    It's like mccain vs obama to me... neither is great but someone gets the vote.

    And with that I open a new can of worms ha.


  2. Quote Originally Posted by naturalguy View Post
    I apologize on behalf of Universal if it seems we came on strong. We are learning the lay of the land here and trying to get caught up. Even though we are a large company, it seems we are not well known here.

    I am sure we will blend in better as we go along.
    Simply AMAZING!

    I have been a member here for about 5 years and this is probably one of if not the best post I have EVER seen.

    My hat is off to you Natural Guy!

    nuff said


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  3. Quote Originally Posted by CROWLER View Post
    Simply AMAZING!

    I have been a member here for about 5 years and this is probably one of if not the best post I have EVER seen.

    My hat is off to you Natural Guy!

    nuff said


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    You'll see in time Crowl, Eric is one of the most stand-up guys I've met (in person as well) in the entire industry. He really represents Universal well, and represents the integrity and ethics any company rep should uphold.

    These are really some great guys, and I'm sure you'll all find out in due time

  4. Quote Originally Posted by justreading View Post
    personally I think 99% of supplements are BS
    why are you in the supplement section then?

  5. Well I've been away all day and I must say that I am a bit surprised at how this thread has taken off! Wasn't trying to start too much shyt, just making a personal observation. As stated before they have been around for over 25 years, but they have failed to evolve with the industry IMO. They can change this if they want, and maybe joining this community is a first step in that direction. Thanks for all the honest opinions

  6. Quote Originally Posted by Hard Knox View Post
    Well I've been away all day and I must say that I am a bit surprised at how this thread has taken off! Wasn't trying to start too much shyt, just making a personal observation. As stated before they have been around for over 25 years, but they have failed to evolve with the industry IMO. They can change this if they want, and maybe joining this community is a first step in that direction. Thanks for all the honest opinions
    reps

  7. Quote Originally Posted by b unit View Post
    reps
    Thanks B!

  8. Quote Originally Posted by J. Peterman View Post
    i was a get deisel non responder

    Posted today.







    "Everyone"

    Right.
    Well DTCH is about the largest load of BS put out in the last few years by a legitimate company - Even ReaperX the pimp of Get Diesel gave it a positive review while only gaining like 2 pounds, it was hilarious he went on about how he noticed no change then said it was a good product...

    Eh whatever, I'm not here to start fights but Universal going from the black sheap to a golden cow simply by changing their status on the board has gotten me going. Again i think they are a decent company and that never changed because of them becoming a sponsor.

  9. Where are the "I hated Universal until they gave me a t-shirt" threads? With any product or company you'll find both negative and positive reviews and i'm sure they're no different.

    This is a community as you have stated and when dealing with a community; your demeanor is key to a future relationship. Giving away t-shirts will go only so far in selling products and giving away supposed "bunk" products won't even get you as far as a free T. With every rule you have exceptions but taking an exception and making it a rule doesn't work.

    I have been here for a long damn time and this is a very good community to belong to and this includes our sponsors. I don't know Universal from Joe at this moment but the way they have conducted themselves so far has shown me that they probably belong with the other sponsors who spend long hours and many days coming to people's threads to help out without 'pimping' any of their products.

    My .02 cents.

  10. I don't see how anyone can hate on a company that comes in and starts handing supplements out to anyone who wants them right off the bat. My hat's off to you, gentlemen. I have not tried your products, but I am ready to give them a shot and see for myself what Universal/Animal is all about.
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  11. Quote Originally Posted by justreading View Post
    Well DTCH is about the largest load of BS put out in the last few years by a legitimate company - Even ReaperX the pimp of Get Diesel gave it a positive review while only gaining like 2 pounds, it was hilarious he went on about how he noticed no change then said it was a good product...

    Eh whatever, I'm not here to start fights but Universal going from the black sheap to a golden cow simply by changing their status on the board has gotten me going. Again i think they are a decent company and that never changed because of them becoming a sponsor.
    you're a wealth of contradictions

  12. Quote Originally Posted by justreading View Post
    Well DTCH is about the largest load of BS put out in the last few years by a legitimate company - Even ReaperX the pimp of Get Diesel gave it a positive review while only gaining like 2 pounds, it was hilarious he went on about how he noticed no change then said it was a good product...

    Eh whatever, I'm not here to start fights but Universal going from the black sheap to a golden cow simply by changing their status on the board has gotten me going. Again i think they are a decent company and that never changed because of them becoming a sponsor.
    Ok. I hope some day you can relax (not being sarcastic)
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  13. i'll feel better when i get one of those bada$$ yellow "animal" shirts

  14. Quote Originally Posted by J. Peterman View Post
    Ok. I hope some day you can relax
    maybe it's the 1% of supps that aren't B.S that have him jacked up?

    over dosing on the RPM's perhaps?

    need some Reset A.D by palo to get the levels back to normal i think

  15. Quote Originally Posted by b unit View Post
    need some Reset A.D by palo to get the levels back to normal i think
    Off topic, but pregnenalone is some amazing sh*t. Reset-AD + EndoAmp has been a godsend.

    Regardless of the tone, this thread is productive in my opinion. I think maybe you've spent too much time in the Company Promotions thread which has lately drawn low count posters giving glowing 10/10 reviews like flies on fresh poop. The AM forums are full of extremely useful feedback, horror stories and success stories alike, the most unbiased I've found on the net. I've learned what to stay away from as much as what I should try to solve specific workout/recovery related problems as I encounter them.

    As far as Universal/Animal, I have actually been pleasantly surprised with their reps. The promotions were expected in my opinion, however certainly more numerous than I expected (not a bad thing, generous companies are always welcome in my book!), and they stay right where they belong, in the Company Promotions forum.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by Hard Knox View Post
    As stated before they have been around for over 25 years, but they have failed to evolve with the industry IMO.
    In what ways? I have personally seen Universal add some great supplements to their company in the 1.5-2 years I've known them.

  17. Quote Originally Posted by AaronTech View Post
    In what ways? I have personally seen Universal add some great supplements to their company in the 1.5-2 years I've known them.
    he probably means in the promotional sense, as in - looking to promote and achieve a high profile like so many companies are doing these days.

    universal have been around a long time so that must say something for them as far as surviving in the cut throat world of supplements and i say welcome to A.M.

  18. Another thing to consider is the mindset of the more sophisticated supplementers here on the boards. Personally, I admit I tend to post mostly positive reviews or to help correct the path of someone's poor experience with a supplement due to misuse. BUT the reason for that is I also realize that many factors might have gone into the poor performance of the supplement including my own misuse, simple genetics and non-response, and even that the product might be crap. Because I realize they don't always work for everyone, unless I simply have a terrible time with something or have side effects I want to warn people about, I stick to posting what WORKS for me. In that way, I feel I'm adding another notch to a product I believe in and maybe steering someone away from products that didn't simply through omission.

    Maybe that's too 'glass half full' of a viewpoint, but that's how I see it.

  19. Actually B-unit mentioned 2 supps I do like, RPM and reset AD ha...



    Besides that I'm just saying its annoying to see people flip on a company instantly when they come on board or to annoint a new product simply because it is heavily promoted.

    Very few people have the guts to stand up to anyone on most boards. Point being, Patrick Arnold is a legend and a superior person in the industry but he will rip apart any supplement that doesn't have science behind it. Eventhough 99.9% of people here can't hold his jock strap he has still been run off of many posts (and for such a stuborn guy thats hard to achieve.)

    Maybe I just need to set up a rant in the general discussion about message board mentality and make it more organized...

    Either way I am glad a major company is being treated well on a board that previously ignored them

  20. I go by what I know works for me/. Pub-med is a great place for studies
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  21. Quote Originally Posted by smeton_yea View Post
    I go by what I know works for me/. Pub-med is a great place for studies
    And honestly you are one of the best members here. You are a sceptic who knows his goals and what he will or will not take. I follow your posts and am impressed by your willingness to buck the trend and engage people who push supps without reason by sharing your own honest expereince... Reps

  22. Personally, I am not a fan of the Universal product line but the Universal reps themselves seem like good guys. Like any new kid on the block, there presence might take some getting used to. But from what I've seen, they seem quite knowledgible and should fit in nicely here.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by justreading View Post
    Actually B-unit mentioned 2 supps I do like, RPM and reset AD ha...



    Besides that I'm just saying its annoying to see people flip on a company instantly when they come on board or to annoint a new product simply because it is heavily promoted.

    Very few people have the guts to stand up to anyone on most boards. Point being, Patrick Arnold is a legend and a superior person in the industry but he will rip apart any supplement that doesn't have science behind it. Eventhough 99.9% of people here can't hold his jock strap he has still been run off of many posts (and for such a stuborn guy thats hard to achieve.)

    Maybe I just need to set up a rant in the general discussion about message board mentality and make it more organized...

    Either way I am glad a major company is being treated well on a board that previously ignored them
    PA is such a powerhouse of knowledge. I'd love to have his brain for a day (no homo).

  24. I do not have much experience with universal other than animal Pak and seeing them sold at my old job (vitamin Shoppe). However, I am pleased with their reps demeanors. They are a HUGE company, but yet their reps don't act like it at all. I think its great and just my discussions with them for the past day have been great. I have not once had them try to pimp a Universal/Animal product to me. I also have not been on this board long enough to see companies that were once attacked come in and be praised as you stated so i cannot make a comment on this. As for your accusation about all sponsored logs being positive...I know i do quite a few on here and am one of the ones the sponsored log comments are probably directed towards, but if you read mine day by day you will see where i discuss my goals are not being accomplished by the supplement or i am picking up sides i dont wish to have, of course once i notice this i usually tweak my diet, workout, ect and usually have it come out positive in the end. I do not see every Sponsored log contain positive things about the products. I believe our AM community is very close and knowledgeable versus what i have noted on BB. I seem to run into many uneducated and unwilling people their who just want free supplements. Also, their seems to be alot of bashing their as well from member to member and Rep to Rep. For that exact reason i maintain my commitment to AM. The reps here are among the most respectful people as well as members in any online Bodybuilding community I have been apart of. Btw I'm glad to know you enjoyed RPM
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  25. Quote Originally Posted by imprezivr6 View Post
    I gotta kind of agree, on some points... This is the 3rd or 4th company i have seen get **** on, then become a sponsor, start giving things out, and everyone all of a sudden loves them. Legal Gear is a perfect example of another.

    Not to mention it seems like the same 5-10 people log every sponsored log around here.. I sometimes wonder if these people even have to buy anything on their own dime.lol

    Not complaining, just stating my take on it. IMO this is the best BB related board, and the only one i spend any significant time on.

    Also when a company comes aboard and the "community" becomes educated about the products, how they work, why they work etc then things start to turn. Everyone hated LG and though MMV2 was a waste until they got a taste, am i wrong?

    Also too, you will notice that most of the time those 5-10 people get picked because they run great logs, where some people who apply, have post counts under 50, and have no rep, idk about you but im not giving product away to someone i dont know and have no idea if they are going to run a solid log or not. Supplement companies may make a lot of money, and we may be able to give out a lot of free products, but that doesnt mean we wanna wipe our a$$ with the products and throw them out the window no matter who the company may be.

    This is a strong community with very open minded people. I never saw a strong bashing against any Animal or Universal product to be honest. Im glad they are aboard and i like how they do bussiness, they remind me of my fellow iron mates at the gym, where they want everyone to do good, and they want everyone to get big and strong and look good as well. I like there attitude and im not just suckin up because they rep here, i rep for LG so i have no reason to suck up to them, i just feel there presenting themselves well!
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  26. I think he's saying, for example, look at what used to be legal gear and look at LG.

    Universal supps have been around; I can't understand why some think that they are new or have yet to try them(im talking from many other boards not just this one). In my mindset I know they have been around for umpteen years, yet many that are commenting have yet to try them???? I be willing to bet that 65% of the board have yet to try them, give or take.

    Very odd indeed. So what is the reasoning behind so many that are commenting on how great the reps attitudes are, and admit to KNOWING that they have been around but have somehow avoided trying most of their supps, besides apak?

    I know i've tried universal back in the day, waaaaaay back in the day and I never had a positive outcome with any supps; however, I can say that the reps do have a great attitude and seem to be stand up people, yet and still, I have not had success with their old line up.

    I tend to lean towards what sokvichet was saying about basically not mentioning any negatives about a company's supps and more about mentioning what WORKED and in that sense maybe through a reverse pathway you may steer someone in the correct direction, because, let's face it, the reason why it may have failed to work could be because of the persons usage of it, rather than a bunk supp.....HOWEVER, i'd be willing to bet 1 year off of my life that only a small portion of the people that report failing with a supp is due to incorrect use, whereas, I'd say a larger percent have failed due to the supp just not delivering as promised OR that person did everything correct but was just a non-responder.

    Yeah, I can understand what the opposing point is in this thread....perhaps the supplement world could use less excuses of "YOU didn't use it correctly", and more responsibility put on the company pushing the product...i mean, when you go from a supreme line up to superdrolNG then ....hmmm, yeah, ok.
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  27. Also when a company comes aboard and the "community" becomes educated about the products, how they work, why they work etc then things start to turn. Everyone hated LG and though MMV2 was a waste until they got a taste, am i wrong?
    Yeah, i think that part is exactly what he's talking about ...
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  28. Quote Originally Posted by hardknock View Post

    Very odd indeed. So what is the reasoning behind so many that are commenting on how great the reps attitudes are, and admit to KNOWING that they have been around but have somehow avoided trying most of their supps, besides apak?
    My reason is because I have a limit of supplements that i like to take at one time. I also have found supplements that work for me...this being said i tend to stick to those supplements. I have never had contact with any of the reps or company on a level other than what i mentioned above till the last day or so.
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  29. Also, if the community is about learning and growing then why not see more people that are newer (maybe not BRAND NEW) to the site get a chance to do logs?

    I mean, com'on, why do you want to look at the same guy's log for every product. If I know guy A has been a great responder to EVERY SINGLE supp he's logged, then it'll do me/them NO good to read his/her log. That's like saying MJ is a great basketball player...there's no debate in that and no way to measure how well someone else will be compared to MJ.

    Its the same with supps...how can some new member, just learning, compare his trials to someone who responds great to every product? i'd like to see some people who NEVER respond well to MOST products take, say, PRIME, and then just blow up in terms of responsiveness rather than see someone who responds perfect logging it ....

    As far as longevity is concerned for reason to pick certain loggers, I only have to say boxmeman, nuff said.
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  30. Quote Originally Posted by hardknock View Post
    Yeah, i think that part is exactly what he's talking about ...

    And by that i meant bought it themselves, reguardless of if they got it for free or not people like the product and back the product. The science is there and it makes sense. Everyone has there opinion just like they have a$$holes. You cant please everyone, and people are going to talk there crap.

    Keep up the good stuff Animal/Universal i like how your doing bussiness and dont worry about the nay sayers!
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