Oral DHEA supplementation improves recovery

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    Enough of the quackery.

    Return the thread back to the original discussion or it will be closed. This forum is for scientific evidence based discussions. If you choose to talk about psudeoscience and have anti-pharma/government rants then please take it the a different forum.
    This started out as a really good thread but has now turned into something entirely different.


  2. Interesting article from a medical news site on DHEA and vitamin D:
    Taking a DHEA supplement combined with vitamin D and calcium can significantly improve spinal bone density in older women, according to a new study from a Saint Louis University scientist and his colleagues at Washington University.

    "The results of our study are very promising. Similar studies have demonstrated much smaller benefits for bone than we found. However, and vitamin D[/URL] deficiencies, which are present in half of older adults, may have prevented DHEA from improving bone density in the earlier studies," said Edward Weiss, Ph.D., associate professor of nutrition and dietetics at Saint Louis University's Doisy College of Health Sciences and lead author of the study.
    "In our study, we supplemented all participants with calcium and vitamin D to ensure that deficiencies were not present. This may explain why our study showed more favorable effects on bone density."
    DHEA (dehydroepiandrosterone), a naturally occurring steroid hormone[/URL] produced in the[URL="http://www.news-medical.net/health/What-Does-the-Adrenal-Gland-Do.aspx"]adrenal gland, gonads and brain, decreases with age. According to Weiss, low DHEA concentration has been associated with low bone density, which lead researchers to question whether restoring DHEA levels could improve or preserve bone health.
    The two-year study divided men and women, ages 65 to 75 years old, into two groups. The first group received the DHEA supplement, vitamin D and calcium for two years. The control group received a placebo, vitamin D and calcium for the first year and then received the DHEA supplement the second year in place of the placebo.
    The effects of the treatment differed for men and women. After the first year, women in the test group experienced an approximate 2 percent increase in bone density, while women in the control group did not see an increase. After the second year when both groups took the DHEA supplement, women in the test group experienced an additional 2 percent increase for a total of approximately 4 percent, while women who switched from placebo to DHEA also experienced an approximate 2 percent increase.
    The same treatment, however, did not offer similar benefits for older men. Instead, men in both the test and control groups experienced a 1 to 2 percent increase in spinal bone density. According to researchers, the results suggest that vitamin D and calcium supplements, which were give to both groups, could be responsible for the increase in bone density.
    The results of the study are promising for older women. According to Weiss, patients who achieve similar increases of 2 to 4 percent in spinal bone density with the help of medication experience a 30 to 50 percent reduction in risk of spine fractures.
    Further, researchers say that the increase in spinal bone density experienced by women in the test group who took DHEA for two years, is at least as effective as other current therapies including estrogen and bisphosphonates, a class of prescription drugs that increases bone density.
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    However, like other therapies, the benefits of DHEA supplements were limited to spinal bone density. Neither men nor women experienced an improvement in hip bone density. Weiss says the hip may respond more slowly to bone-enhancing therapies than the spine, thus requiring more time to see a beneficial effect. More research is needed though."In addition to its beneficial effects on bone, DHEA replacement may have other benefits including improvements in risk factors for diabetes and heart disease, improvements in immune function, and improvements in psychological health," Weiss said.
    While the research findings are promising, Weiss says that people should consult with their doctor before taking DHEA, which is an over-the-counter dietary supplement.
    "Although DHEA is generally considered safe for consumption at 50 mg per day, it increases estrogen and testosterone levels which in turn could increase cancer risk," Weiss explained. "Therefore, DHEA supplementation should be avoided in men and women who have had cancer or who have a strong family history of cancer until further research can establish whether or not it is safe for these individuals."
    The study was funded with grants from the NIH, NIH General Clinical Research Center and NIH Clinical Nutrition Research Unit. Findings were published in the May 2009 issue of the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition.
    Study coauthors include Krupa Shah, Luigi Fontana, Charles P. Lambert, John O. Holloszy and Dennis Villareal.
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  4. DHEA supplementation seems to have it's greatest benefits for people over 50. LEF has a lot of good information DHEA supplementation and benefits.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    ... What do you mean there's no money in curing a disease? The first company to make a cure for cancer will be rich beyond their wildest dreams. ...
    Reminds me of a old movie scene from an 80s flick, I think it was James Earl Jones in the movie Coming to America. He was a rich African businessman at a party talking with some other rich US businessmen. One of these men had done some business with his enterprise, and didn't realize until they'd started talking. Anyway, James said something to the effect that 'My company discovered a cure for the common cold, and your company paid me for it.' Then the other guy says 'Ohh, we paid you for the cure?' And James says 'No. You paid me to keep my mouth shut!' It was just a stupid movie, but I never forgot that scene or the look on the other guy's face, lol.

    Of course there is big money in cures, Cooper, and many pharma companies are crazy rich. Did they make all their money pushing pills? I don't know, I don't sit on their board, but perhaps there is more money to be had sitting on that cure rather than marketing it? I have a passion for medicinal chemistry and pharmacology just like you, but perhaps we should be defending that, and not be so naive or presumptuous to think we can reason like billion dollar businessmen reason. It doesn't take a mind for conspiracy to recognize that big companies have different motivations than do guys like most of us, know what I mean?
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by DR.D View Post
    Reminds me of a old movie scene from an 80s flick, I think it was James Earl Jones in the movie Coming to America. He was a rich African businessman at a party talking with some other rich US businessmen. One of these men had done some business with his enterprise, and didn't realize until they'd started talking. Anyway, James said something to the effect that 'My company discovered a cure for the common cold, and your company paid me for it.' Then the other guy says 'Ohh, we paid you for the cure?' And James says 'No. You paid me to keep my mouth shut!' It was just a stupid movie, but I never forgot that scene or the look on the other guy's face, lol.

    Of course there is big money in cures, Cooper, and many pharma companies are crazy rich. Did they make all their money pushing pills? I don't know, I don't sit on their board, but perhaps there is more money to be had sitting on that cure rather than marketing it? I have a passion for medicinal chemistry and pharmacology just like you, but perhaps we should be defending that, and not be so naive or presumptuous to think we can reason like billion dollar businessmen reason. It doesn't take a mind for conspiracy to recognize that big companies have different motivations than do guys like most of us, know what I mean?
    That's a very interesting exchange from that movie, Dr. D. While I am not outright saying something totally radical to the effect that pharma is trying to poison us, but I can see the business model behind most companies and it is too disgusting for most to even taste. Create a disease/disorder (or in the American Psychiatric Association's case, just make **** up and call it the DSM), patent a 'treatment', offer incentives to salesmen (many doctors, not all), give samples to get the customer (patient) dependent or addicted, and then you are chemically, psycologically, physiologically, neurologically, etc. almost guaranteed a customer for life.
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  7. That must be why there exist no cure for any disease and why we have never virtually eradicated any disease. There is just too much money to keeo peoole sick. Yup that makes perfect sense... :/
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  8. Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    That must be why there exist no cure for any disease and why we have never virtually eradicated any disease. There is just too much money to keeo peoole sick. Yup that makes perfect sense... :/
    JudoJosh, my apologies for perpetuating the topic of government & politics. Look, I empathize with your point of view and I'm not grabbing and clinging to my statements as a stronghold, per se. I respect your opinions and statements and whether or not you respect mine, that's fine. I just see a different schematic as the primary purpose for what drives pharmaceutical corporations. I see it as a business to make money and even if that means at the expense of the patient's health.
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  9. The car industry keeps coming out with more and more expensive cars that contain craper and craper parts.

    The electronics industry, clothing industry, etc all have us addicted to getting the next new model/ fashion that we spend every penny we have to get it even if that means going in debt. By doing so we have enslaved millions of people in third world countries.

    Or food industry keeps producing more and more unhealthy foods that are designed to be addicting. Making us lazier, fatter, and stupider. Not to mention companies are coming out stating they don't have to put all the ingredients on there labels now.

    Do I have to mention the banking industry, or government corruption?

    But when it comes to the pharmaceutical industry I'm supposed to believe they are a bunch of saints who have our best interests out for us.

    Sorry if this sounds a little conspiracy, but hey when it comes down to it we all have an underlying agenda with everything we do.

    I wish people like cooper the best of luck, someone who actually takes the time to learn as much about there profession as possible, and has people's well being in mind at all times. Even to give out free advice on AM.

    Back to topic, I have taken dhea through out the years and loved it, to me I actually feel a little more pep with it, and have noticed the faster recover that I have read has been noticed in some studies.
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  10. Back to DHEA, is it all DHEA supplements that would help with recovery or is it only "fancy" DHEA supplements from Androfactory that work?
    No disrespect to Androfactory, I use them also, just wanted to know if I can get benefits from cheap brands also?

  11. so is dhea good or not? Im 35 and have never been able to get a definite answer. Ive tried it but never stayed on for fear of sides so I have some kicking around. Should I give it a go? Im on erase pro right now anyway
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  12. Quote Originally Posted by fightnews View Post
    so is dhea good or not? Im 35 and have never been able to get a definite answer. Ive tried it but never stayed on for fear of sides so I have some kicking around. Should I give it a go? Im on erase pro right now anyway

    One thing at time. Finish all the other crap your spending thousands of dollars on first.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post
    One thing at time. Finish all the other crap your spending thousands of dollars on first.
    Hey man dont hate, appreciate....... Besides sns got a nice chunk of change out of that. Plus I already have the dhea so haaaa


    So yeah now that im on all these supps I should probably at least lift a weight huh?
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  14. Im not on that much I only take
    Creatine
    Beta alanine
    metabolic drive
    erase pro
    forskolin
    anabeta
    fish oil
    Plazma
    Mag10
    Phospatitic acid
    Arachadonic acid
    Probiotics
    melatonin
    Magnesium
    phenhylracetam
    salbutiamine
    d aspartic acid
    recompadrol
    APE
    folic acid
    Celexa
    TMG
    Citrulline
    Agamatine
    L-Leucine
    and maybe dhea
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  15. Quote Originally Posted by fightnews View Post
    Im not on that much I only take
    Creatine
    Beta alanine
    metabolic drive
    erase pro
    forskolin
    anabeta
    fish oil
    Plazma
    Mag10
    Phospatitic acid
    Arachadonic acid
    Probiotics
    melatonin
    Magnesium
    phenhylracetam
    salbutiamine
    d aspartic acid
    recompadrol
    APE
    folic acid
    Celexa
    TMG
    Citrulline
    Agamatine
    L-Leucine
    and maybe dhea

    You take more pills than most peoples grandmother!

  16. Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post
    You take more pills than most peoples grandmother!
    yeah but i be making da gainz braaaa, plus at least i take all good proven stuff. nothing useless on the list besides maybe daa which i hardly take
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  18. I was thinking I need to step my supplement game up, What else should I take?
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    Quote Originally Posted by fightnews View Post
    I was thinking I need to step my supplement game up, What else should I take?
    I heard cyanide does wonders.

    What the hell is your supplement budget this is sooo much overkill
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  20. Quote Originally Posted by Driven2lift View Post
    I heard cyanide does wonders.

    What the hell is your supplement budget this is sooo much overkill
    Whats a budget?
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  21. Quote Originally Posted by fightnews View Post
    Im not on that much I only take
    Creatine
    Beta alanine
    metabolic drive
    erase pro
    forskolin
    anabeta
    fish oil
    Plazma
    Mag10
    Phospatitic acid
    Arachadonic acid
    Probiotics
    melatonin
    Magnesium
    phenhylracetam
    salbutiamine
    d aspartic acid
    recompadrol
    APE
    folic acid
    Celexa
    TMG
    Citrulline
    Agamatine
    L-Leucine
    and maybe dhea

    Seriously, you take all of that? Or are you joking?. I don't know because there are some really crazy type people on here lately.

  22. Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post
    Seriously, you take all of that? Or are you joking?. I don't know because there are some really crazy type people on here lately.
    No I'm just joking I actually don't take fish oil
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  23. Celexa explains it all....

  24. Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post
    Celexa explains it all....
    What do you think your better then me?
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  25. Quote Originally Posted by fightnews View Post
    What do you think your better then me?
    Not at all. It was a bit of a joke because you are taking so many pills.
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