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    Quote Originally Posted by DR.D View Post
    Reminds me of a old movie scene from an 80s flick, I think it was James Earl Jones in the movie Coming to America. He was a rich African businessman at a party talking with some other rich US businessmen. One of these men had done some business with his enterprise, and didn't realize until they'd started talking. Anyway, James said something to the effect that 'My company discovered a cure for the common cold, and your company paid me for it.' Then the other guy says 'Ohh, we paid you for the cure?' And James says 'No. You paid me to keep my mouth shut!' It was just a stupid movie, but I never forgot that scene or the look on the other guy's face, lol.

    Of course there is big money in cures, Cooper, and many pharma companies are crazy rich. Did they make all their money pushing pills? I don't know, I don't sit on their board, but perhaps there is more money to be had sitting on that cure rather than marketing it? I have a passion for medicinal chemistry and pharmacology just like you, but perhaps we should be defending that, and not be so naive or presumptuous to think we can reason like billion dollar businessmen reason. It doesn't take a mind for conspiracy to recognize that big companies have different motivations than do guys like most of us, know what I mean?
    That's a very interesting exchange from that movie, Dr. D. While I am not outright saying something totally radical to the effect that pharma is trying to poison us, but I can see the business model behind most companies and it is too disgusting for most to even taste. Create a disease/disorder (or in the American Psychiatric Association's case, just make **** up and call it the DSM), patent a 'treatment', offer incentives to salesmen (many doctors, not all), give samples to get the customer (patient) dependent or addicted, and then you are chemically, psycologically, physiologically, neurologically, etc. almost guaranteed a customer for life.
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    That must be why there exist no cure for any disease and why we have never virtually eradicated any disease. There is just too much money to keeo peoole sick. Yup that makes perfect sense... :/
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    Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    That must be why there exist no cure for any disease and why we have never virtually eradicated any disease. There is just too much money to keeo peoole sick. Yup that makes perfect sense... :/
    JudoJosh, my apologies for perpetuating the topic of government & politics. Look, I empathize with your point of view and I'm not grabbing and clinging to my statements as a stronghold, per se. I respect your opinions and statements and whether or not you respect mine, that's fine. I just see a different schematic as the primary purpose for what drives pharmaceutical corporations. I see it as a business to make money and even if that means at the expense of the patient's health.
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    The car industry keeps coming out with more and more expensive cars that contain craper and craper parts.

    The electronics industry, clothing industry, etc all have us addicted to getting the next new model/ fashion that we spend every penny we have to get it even if that means going in debt. By doing so we have enslaved millions of people in third world countries.

    Or food industry keeps producing more and more unhealthy foods that are designed to be addicting. Making us lazier, fatter, and stupider. Not to mention companies are coming out stating they don't have to put all the ingredients on there labels now.

    Do I have to mention the banking industry, or government corruption?

    But when it comes to the pharmaceutical industry I'm supposed to believe they are a bunch of saints who have our best interests out for us.

    Sorry if this sounds a little conspiracy, but hey when it comes down to it we all have an underlying agenda with everything we do.

    I wish people like cooper the best of luck, someone who actually takes the time to learn as much about there profession as possible, and has people's well being in mind at all times. Even to give out free advice on AM.

    Back to topic, I have taken dhea through out the years and loved it, to me I actually feel a little more pep with it, and have noticed the faster recover that I have read has been noticed in some studies.
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    Back to DHEA, is it all DHEA supplements that would help with recovery or is it only "fancy" DHEA supplements from Androfactory that work?
    No disrespect to Androfactory, I use them also, just wanted to know if I can get benefits from cheap brands also?
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    so is dhea good or not? Im 35 and have never been able to get a definite answer. Ive tried it but never stayed on for fear of sides so I have some kicking around. Should I give it a go? Im on erase pro right now anyway
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    Quote Originally Posted by fightnews View Post
    so is dhea good or not? Im 35 and have never been able to get a definite answer. Ive tried it but never stayed on for fear of sides so I have some kicking around. Should I give it a go? Im on erase pro right now anyway

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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post
    One thing at time. Finish all the other crap your spending thousands of dollars on first.
    Hey man dont hate, appreciate....... Besides sns got a nice chunk of change out of that. Plus I already have the dhea so haaaa


    So yeah now that im on all these supps I should probably at least lift a weight huh?
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    Im not on that much I only take
    Creatine
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    metabolic drive
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    recompadrol
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    and maybe dhea
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    Quote Originally Posted by fightnews View Post
    Im not on that much I only take
    Creatine
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    metabolic drive
    erase pro
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    fish oil
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    Phospatitic acid
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    Probiotics
    melatonin
    Magnesium
    phenhylracetam
    salbutiamine
    d aspartic acid
    recompadrol
    APE
    folic acid
    Celexa
    TMG
    Citrulline
    Agamatine
    L-Leucine
    and maybe dhea

    You take more pills than most peoples grandmother!
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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post
    You take more pills than most peoples grandmother!
    yeah but i be making da gainz braaaa, plus at least i take all good proven stuff. nothing useless on the list besides maybe daa which i hardly take
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    I was thinking I need to step my supplement game up, What else should I take?
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    Quote Originally Posted by fightnews View Post
    I was thinking I need to step my supplement game up, What else should I take?
    I heard cyanide does wonders.

    What the hell is your supplement budget this is sooo much overkill
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    Quote Originally Posted by Driven2lift View Post
    I heard cyanide does wonders.

    What the hell is your supplement budget this is sooo much overkill
    Whats a budget?
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    Quote Originally Posted by fightnews View Post
    Im not on that much I only take
    Creatine
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    metabolic drive
    erase pro
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    anabeta
    fish oil
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    Phospatitic acid
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    Probiotics
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    Magnesium
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    salbutiamine
    d aspartic acid
    recompadrol
    APE
    folic acid
    Celexa
    TMG
    Citrulline
    Agamatine
    L-Leucine
    and maybe dhea

    Seriously, you take all of that? Or are you joking?. I don't know because there are some really crazy type people on here lately.
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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post
    Seriously, you take all of that? Or are you joking?. I don't know because there are some really crazy type people on here lately.
    No I'm just joking I actually don't take fish oil
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    Celexa explains it all....
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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post
    Celexa explains it all....
    What do you think your better then me?
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    Quote Originally Posted by fightnews View Post
    What do you think your better then me?
    Not at all. It was a bit of a joke because you are taking so many pills.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fightnews View Post
    What do you think your better then me?
    Yup.
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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post
    Celexa explains it all....
    Yeah. That stuff will shut down your sexual function. It's one of top side effects that makes people stop taking it. I bet he doesn't even know what all those supplements are for. He says DAA doesn't work.... OK that says he doesn't know what really up with supplements.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yolked View Post
    Yeah. That stuff will shut down your sexual function. It's one of top side effects that makes people stop taking it. I bet he doesn't even know what all those supplements are for. He says DAA doesn't work.... OK that says he doesn't know what really up with supplements.
    daa doesnt work
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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post
    Not at all. It was a bit of a joke because you are taking so many pills.
    Cool man I take celexa for ptsd and a lot of those supps are powders. I dont think its excessive plus I got the plazma and mag10 for free and a lot of those I dont take everyday
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yolked View Post
    Yeah. That stuff will shut down your sexual function. It's one of top side effects that makes people stop taking it. I bet he doesn't even know what all those supplements are for. He says DAA doesn't work.... OK that says he doesn't know what really up with supplements.
    Yeah bro you're so right, You're the only one who knows anything about supplements because its sooo so confusing.... Help me please
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    Can u get me some plasma n 10 for free
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    Dhea has some evidence for cog enhancement and general health I believe, however I don't think it produces much as far as body composition goes, at least as far as I can remember reading about it on various evidenced based databases
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    Quote Originally Posted by braskibra View Post
    Dhea has some evidence for cog enhancement and general health I believe, however I don't think it produces much as far as body composition goes, at least as far as I can remember reading about it on various evidenced based databases

    Depends on how old you are. Some youngsters in their 20's for example would probably have little to no benefit using it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by braskibra View Post
    Can u get me some plasma n 10 for free
    No i just got lucky but if you buy some mag 10 it has a lot of servings and you can mix it with glycofuse its the same thing. Or you can buy peptopro and highly branched cyclic dextrin in bulk from true nutrition for a fraction of the cost. But supposedly the peptopro in mag 10 is 97% di and tri peptides thats why they dont list peptopro as an ingredient but I dont know if thats true maybe its less then peptopro. If it was true you would think they would advertise it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post
    Depends on how old you are. Some youngsters in their 20's for example would probably have little to no benefit using it.
    yes tru:

    Dehydroepiandrosterone supplementation in elderly men: a meta-analysis study of placebo-controlled trials.

    Corona G1, Rastrelli G, Giagulli VA, Sila A, Sforza A, Forti G, Mannucci E, Maggi M.
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    Abstract

    CONTEXT:

    Age-related dehydroepiandrosterone (DHEA) deficiency has been associated with a broad range of biological abnormalities in males.
    OBJECT:

    Our objective was to meta-analyze all double-blind, placebo-controlled randomized trials (RCTs) investigating the effect of oral DHEA (DHEAsupplementation) in comparison with placebo on sexual and metabolic outcomes in elderly men.
    DATA SOURCE:

    An extensive Medline Embase and Cochrane search was performed including the following words: DHEA, RCTs, and males.
    STUDY SELECTION:

    Only double-blind placebo-controlled trials performed in elderly men were included.
    DATA EXTRACTION:

    Data extraction was performed independently by 2 of the authors (A.S. and V.G.), and conflicts were resolved by the third investigator (G.C.). The quality of RCTs was assessed using the Cochrane criteria.
    RESULTS:

    Of 220 retrieved articles, 25 were included in the study. The available RCTs enrolled 1353 elderly men, with a mean follow-up of 36 weeks.DHEA supplementation was associated with a reduction of fat mass (standardized mean difference of -0.35 [-0.65 to -0.05]; P = .02). However, the association with fat mass disappeared in a multivariate regression model after adjusting for DHEA-related metabolite increases such as total testosterone and estradiol. In contrast to what was observed for fat mass, no effect of DHEA supplementation in comparison with placebo was observed for various clinical parameters including lipid and glycemic metabolism, bone health, sexual function, and quality of life.
    CONCLUSIONS:

    The present meta-analysis of intervention studies shows that DHEA supplementation in elderly men can induce a small but significant positive effect on body composition that is strictly dependent on DHEA conversion into its bioactive metabolites such as androgens or estrogens.

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    Daa works for test boosting. Not erectile improvement. If you having issues cuz celexa I don't know what to tell you except stop taking it when you want to bust a nutt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post

    Depends on how old you are. Some youngsters in their 20's for example would probably have little to no benefit using it.
    Yeah under 35 may not be effected by oral or any DHEA supplementation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fightnews View Post
    Cool man I take celexa for ptsd and a lot of those supps are powders. I dont think its excessive plus I got the plazma and mag10 for free and a lot of those I dont take everyday
    If you have ptsd, then it makes sense why you don't respond to DAA. You're NMDA isn't working right, but you might could get it back in shape in just a few months.

    If I were you, I'd consider taking a small dose of DAA plus something cholinergic every day, maybe a little l-Histidine too. Why are you on Celexa anyway, and not something like cycloserine? Celexa's a good serotonergic, but ain't **** for ptsd:

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    Dr d arent you a big believer in dhea for controlling cortisol after a workout?
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    Quote Originally Posted by fightnews View Post
    Dr d arent you a big believer in dhea for controlling cortisol after a workout?
    For attenuating cortisol, yes. It doesn't block it's synthesis or prevent it's release but it does antagonizes the qualities which are undesirable surrounding prolonged exercise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fightnews View Post
    Im not on that much I only take
    Creatine
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    fish oil
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    Phospatitic acid
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    Probiotics
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    salbutiamine
    d aspartic acid
    recompadrol
    APE
    folic acid
    Celexa
    TMG
    Citrulline
    Agamatine
    L-Leucine
    and maybe dhea
    Where'd you get that Mag10 at?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Force of Green View Post
    Where'd you get that Mag10 at?
    Lol its not that mag 10 its biotest name for their casein hydroslate unfortunately. Can you even get any 1ad 4ad products anymore even underground? They were the best
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