Steveo is lighting up with JP8 (And recomping with Recreate)

[Steveoph]

Workout: Legs
Leg press (5x8)
Ab Work
2a) Stiff-Leg Deads
2b) Calf Presses

Comments:
JP8 kicked in today, but unfortunately it kicked in while I was doing my cool-down cardio. Had me so wired I wasn't listening to my iPod and was just whistling to myself on the elliptical lol. Only 1.5 scoops but it had me wired like crazy. My workout was pretty average though, it kicked in later today than normal.


Workout: Cardio
60 mins elliptical, non-fasted. 1200 cals, 7.85 miles


I really think JP8 needs to be taken on an empty stomach to kick in proper. Tomorrow is shoulders. I'm going to wake up, take JP8 and Swell, then take a shake 15 mins later, then hit the gym in 15 minutes. Will do 1.5 scoops, and see how much harder it hits me. Should be a pretty good ride, will let you guys know tomorrow afternoon how it went.

[Chuck Diesel]

Workout: Legs
Leg press (5x8)
Ab Work
2a) Stiff-Leg Deads
2b) Calf Presses

Comments:
JP8 kicked in today, but unfortunately it kicked in while I was doing my cool-down cardio. Had me so wired I wasn't listening to my iPod and was just whistling to myself on the elliptical lol. Only 1.5 scoops but it had me wired like crazy. My workout was pretty average though, it kicked in later today than normal.


Workout: Cardio
60 mins elliptical, non-fasted. 1200 cals, 7.85 miles


I really think JP8 needs to be taken on an empty stomach to kick in proper. Tomorrow is shoulders. I'm going to wake up, take JP8 and Swell, then take a shake 15 mins later, then hit the gym in 15 minutes. Will do 1.5 scoops, and see how much harder it hits me. Should be a pretty good ride, will let you guys know tomorrow afternoon how it went.

i dont think 30 min. pre-workout might be good enough if its hitting u late now. but 1st thing am it should hit u faster.

[TripDog]

Translation.....getting out of boring ass central Florida.

Orlando is fun as hell bro!!! (Islands of adventure ftw!!)

[strategicmove]

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[Chuck Diesel]

Orlando is fun as hell bro!!! (Islands of adventure ftw!!)

Oh yeah, thats why i have a Universal anual pass....but u cant go there every week....and May to Sept its hella hot down here.....and rains everyday......u know.

[borobulker]

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[Steveoph]

Workout: Shoulders
1a) Dips 10x10
1b) Incl. Bicep Curls 8x10
1c) Shrugs 8x8
2a) Shoulder Press 4x10
2b) DB Oblique Side Bends 4x10

Comments:
Took JP8 upon waking, had a shake 20 minutes later. Hit the gym 45 minutes after JP8. I took 1.5 scoops, however at the gym I was not as pumped/stimmed as I was expecting, especially since I took JP8 empty stomach. I think I need 2 scoops, not sure why that Chest workout last week with 2 scoops hit me so hard. It's not like it kicked in late either during my HIIT sprints, it just didn't hit me. I'll do 2 scoops, ~40 mins before my chest workout on Tues.
The dips did go well all the way to my last set, so perhaps JP8 helped with endurance but I didn't feel "energized". Perhaps it works better if taken with some Ether pre-WO?

The stomach discomfort was pretty strong on an empty stomach yesterday; right when I chugged the JP8 my stomach started feeling queasy. My shake also didn't help matters, and at some points during my workout I recall feeling a bit unwell. Chuck do you notice ppl with stomach problems from R4W? It's odd because I can usually stomach anything.

[Chuck Diesel]

Chuck do you notice ppl with stomach problems from R4W? It's odd because I can usually stomach anything.

r4w or JP8?

No for both, but JP8 has phosphates and bicarbonates so Im sure someone will say they have "stomach issues."

[Steveoph]

Workout: Cardio
60 Mins Elliptical. 7.74 Miles, 1182 Cals

Comments:
No JP8 today, just 2 Recreate and Swell Pre-WO. I had done HIIT sessions for the past couple months, but I forgot how important some long cardio is to burning off calories! After my last 60 minute cardio session I could actually see the difference the next day; 1200 cals is a good bit of calories!

The Swell still hasn't given me a niacin flush like Dialene did, but perhaps I've gotten adjusted to the Niacin pretty quickly. It's effects are subtle, but so far it hasn't been so dramatic that I've noticed anything. The claims that I am trying to assess are:
" * Increased Hydration
* Higher Working Capacity
* Reduced Fatigue
* Increased Oxygen Delivery to Muscles
* Promote Protein Synthesis
* Increased Muscle Recovery
* Increased Aerobic and Anaerobic Energy Production
* Intense Muscle Pumps
* Suppressed Protein Catabolism
* Increased Mental Acuity"
It's kind of hard to have mental acuity after 60 minutes of pretty damn tiring cardio though lol. The higher working capacity/decreased fatigue might be noticeable in my HIIT sprints, but it has been hard to say thus far.


Chuck I'm trying to figure out what exactly in the JP8 doesn't agree with me, and if it just takes time for my stomach to get used to it (Since I bought 2 tubs of JP8, so 40 workouts!). I guess it might be those K/Na Phosphates/Bicarbonates. The thing that doesn't makes me doubt it is that the Swell has Bicarbs too (Magnesium Carbonate, Potassium Bicarbonate, Potassium Carbonate, Potassium Chloride, Pyridoxine HCL, Sodium Bicarbonate) Your ETHER has those too, meanwhile the R4W has the Mg Creatine that I've heard some people have issues with (although I haven't in the past with CL's Green Magnitude).


Tomorrow is chest day, going to do 2 scoops and see how it goes. The other logs are absolutely blown away by JP8 but here I am with a queasy stomach and just OK workouts Crikey that was a long update!

[Chuck Diesel]

Workout: Cardio
60 Mins Elliptical. 7.74 Miles, 1182 Cals

Comments:
No JP8 today, just 2 Recreate and Swell Pre-WO. I had done HIIT sessions for the past couple months, but I forgot how important some long cardio is to burning off calories! After my last 60 minute cardio session I could actually see the difference the next day; 1200 cals is a good bit of calories!

The Swell still hasn't given me a niacin flush like Dialene did, but perhaps I've gotten adjusted to the Niacin pretty quickly. It's effects are subtle, but so far it hasn't been so dramatic that I've noticed anything. The claims that I am trying to assess are:
" * Increased Hydration
* Higher Working Capacity
* Reduced Fatigue
* Increased Oxygen Delivery to Muscles
* Promote Protein Synthesis
* Increased Muscle Recovery
* Increased Aerobic and Anaerobic Energy Production
* Intense Muscle Pumps
* Suppressed Protein Catabolism
* Increased Mental Acuity"
It's kind of hard to have mental acuity after 60 minutes of pretty damn tiring cardio though lol. The higher working capacity/decreased fatigue might be noticeable in my HIIT sprints, but it has been hard to say thus far.


Chuck I'm trying to figure out what exactly in the JP8 doesn't agree with me, and if it just takes time for my stomach to get used to it (Since I bought 2 tubs of JP8, so 40 workouts!). I guess it might be those K/Na Phosphates/Bicarbonates. The thing that doesn't makes me doubt it is that the Swell has Bicarbs too (Magnesium Carbonate, Potassium Bicarbonate, Potassium Carbonate, Potassium Chloride, Pyridoxine HCL, Sodium Bicarbonate) Your ETHER has those too, meanwhile the R4W has the Mg Creatine that I've heard some people have issues with (although I haven't in the past with CL's Green Magnitude).


Tomorrow is chest day, going to do 2 scoops and see how it goes. The other logs are absolutely blown away by JP8 but here I am with a queasy stomach and just OK workouts Crikey that was a long update!

could be mag, if u get over 400mg at a time, but its probably the phosphates and bicarbonates combined , and what u eat after u take the JP8. JP8 has alot of ach boosters, so most people wont get "cracked out " energy from it because Ach decreases the "amped" up effect of adrenaline, but Ach increases is where ur coordination, strength and mind muscle connection come from.

Arent u the one eating oats or something pre-workout right after JP8?


How soon do u take JP8 pre-workout? How soon before or after taking JP8 do u eat the oats or whatever it is?

[Chuck Diesel]

u take swell pre-workout? I wouldnt do that with JP8, if it has cal. carbonate. Thats like mixing tums in JP8.

[Steveoph]

could be mag, if u get over 400mg at a time, but its probably the phosphates and bicarbonates combined , and what u eat after u take the JP8. JP8 has alot of ach boosters, so most people wont get "cracked out " energy from it because Ach decreases the "amped" up effect of adrenaline, but Ach increases is where ur coordination, strength and mind muscle connection come from.

Arent u the one eating oats or something pre-workout right after JP8?


How soon do u take JP8 pre-workout? How soon before or after taking JP8 do u eat the oats or whatever it is?

I generally eat oat bran (a watery oatmeal/porridge, digests quicker I find), then JP8 45 minutes after, then hit the gym 45 minutes after. I was doing that with 1.5 scoops, but it wasn't hitting me hard enough. I did it once with 2 scoops back at the beginning and it felt too much, but now I think 2 scoops is the right amount.

Yesterday I tried JP8 upon waking, then a shake 15 mins later, then gym 30 mins later. Didn't get too much energy, although endurance was pretty good.

Also I only started the Swell 3 days ago, JP8 wasn't agreeing with my stomach before. I'll try the Swell empty-stomach, then my oat bran, then JP8 45 mins later and 2 scoops, then the gym 45 mins later and see how that goes. Also no calcium carbonate, but it does have Calcium Pantothenate and Mg Carb, etc. which might interfere w/ JP8. The stomach discomfort was pretty quick when I mixed JP8 & Swell on an empty stomach, so perhaps I should separate them.

I thought I could get by with 1.5 scoops since I'm a lighter build and pretty sensitive to stims and I don't like taking >200mg at once (2 scoops of JP8 is 240mg), I find it messes with my sleep. However with ZMA, GABA and the occasional melatonin I haven't noticed any sleep problems yet. I've also avoided taking JP8 more than 5 times a week. Usually 2 on then 1 off (my cardio day).

[ecu19]

Translation.....getting out of boring ass central Florida.

Funniest post i've read all week.

Sorry about your stomach problems Steve. You should try to run each supplement individually to figure out the culprit. Seems like you threw a couple new supplements into the mix, and that's when problems began.

[Chuck Diesel]

I generally eat oat bran (a watery oatmeal/porridge, digests quicker I find), then JP8 45 minutes after, then hit the gym 45 minutes after. I was doing that with 1.5 scoops, but it wasn't hitting me hard enough. I did it once with 2 scoops back at the beginning and it felt too much, but now I think 2 scoops is the right amount.

Yesterday I tried JP8 upon waking, then a shake 15 mins later, then gym 30 mins later. Didn't get too much energy, although endurance was pretty good.

Also I only started the Swell 3 days ago, JP8 wasn't agreeing with my stomach before. I'll try the Swell empty-stomach, then my oat bran, then JP8 45 mins later and 2 scoops, then the gym 45 mins later and see how that goes. Also no calcium carbonate, but it does have Calcium Pantothenate and Mg Carb, etc. which might interfere w/ JP8. The stomach discomfort was pretty quick when I mixed JP8 & Swell on an empty stomach, so perhaps I should separate them.

I thought I could get by with 1.5 scoops since I'm a lighter build and pretty sensitive to stims and I don't like taking >200mg at once (2 scoops of JP8 is 240mg), I find it messes with my sleep. However with ZMA, GABA and the occasional melatonin I haven't noticed any sleep problems yet. I've also avoided taking JP8 more than 5 times a week. Usually 2 on then 1 off (my cardio day).

umm yeah all that is confusing, I eat at 12 take JP8 at 1pm workout at 2:30, but thats me. IF it was AM, I guess I would eat at 7am, JP8 at 7:45 then workout at 9.

[Steveoph]

<---- Stupid. I just got out my digital scale and weighed the scooper and realized it was supposed to be a level scoops and not just to the fill line on the side of the scooper Should have done that first. Anyways, now I've taken a full 1.5 scoops and will hit the gym and see how it goes.

Recap:I was underdosing. My mistake, now let's see some good workouts!

Funniest post i've read all week.

Sorry about your stomach problems Steve. You should try to run each supplement individually to figure out the culprit. Seems like you threw a couple new supplements into the mix, and that's when problems began.

Well I started recreate a few days before JP8 and had no problems. Then I started JP8 and my stomach started getting queasy after I took it. I added swell about a week after and still the same stomach problems, so I know it's the JP8 that doesn't agree with me, but I think my body is getting used to it because I just took 1.5 scoops and doing OK.

[Inarius]

looking forward to your update

[Steveoph]

Workout: Chest & Best
1a) Incline DB 10,10,10,9,8,7,8,7,8,9
1b) Rows 10,10,10,10,10,9,10,10,10,10
2a) Chest Flys 3x10
2b) Pulldowns 3x10
3) Dips - 3 To Failure

Comments: Wow! Today's workout was amazing. No comparison to my half- @### workouts from the past 2 weeks. I had so much energy I did three EXTRA sets of dips to failure at the end, and could have easily kept on going! This was with only 1.5 scoops JP8 . The endurance was awesome, I would be exhausted and put down the weights. Then pick them up again and get 2 sets out of nowhere. I got some major chest pumps too. Loved it!

Damn that was a good workout. Looking forward to legs tomorrow, and seeing how sore my upper body will be from todays workout!

[Chuck Diesel]

Workout: Chest & Best
1a) Incline DB 10,10,10,9,8,7,8,7,8,9
1b) Rows 10,10,10,10,10,9,10,10,10,10
2a) Chest Flys 3x10
2b) Pulldowns 3x10
3) Dips - 3 To Failure

Comments: Wow! Today's workout was amazing. No comparison to my half- @### workouts from the past 2 weeks. I had so much energy I did three EXTRA sets of dips to failure at the end, and could have easily kept on going! This was with only 1.5 scoops JP8 . The endurance was awesome, I would be exhausted and put down the weights. Then pick them up again and get 2 sets out of nowhere. I got some major chest pumps too. Loved it!

Damn that was a good workout. Looking forward to legs tomorrow, and seeing how sore my upper body will be from todays workout!

you do anything different with your dosing?

[ecu19]

you do anything different with your dosing?

Sounds like he kept the timing the same, and realized the actual dosage portion was adjusted..

[borobulker]

Great log so far.