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    DHEA and ATD log


    Ok, so I am very sorry for the delay, but it is finally here. I have been very busy at work the past week and will be for the remainder of my log, so it will not be super detailed. I will update on:
    1) mood
    2)libido
    3)androgenic sides (acne, agression etc)
    4)weight
    5)stregnth

    The dose for my ATD is 80mg/day and my dhea is 1000mg/day. I may play with the dose a little depending on how I feel.

    I started the stack yesterday and so far I like it very much.

    For the first two days:
    1) mood
    slightly elevated
    2)libido
    increased, I actually had an unexpected midnight visitor
    3)androgenic sides (acne, agression etc)
    increased, just from two days I have noticed increased aggression, acne, perma-pump, and a general feeling of on-ness. could still be placebo at this point. I have also had a general feeling of increased blood pressure.... head and chest. could also be completely anecdotal at this point.
    4)weight
    official start weight 242lbs
    5)strength
    no increase in stregth so far, as to be expected.

    As a very interesting side note, I recently met Bill Willmore. He is a very, very, nice guy.... prolly the nicest pro I have talked to. Coincidently, he conveniently trains at my new gym. I am very excited to keepan eye on him and learn as much as I can. I will try to update the log as often as possible, but it may only happen a couple of times a week.

    The purpose of this log is a recomp. Calories will be kept to maintenance levels to gauge effectiveness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by haroldjg View Post
    2)libido
    increased, I actually had an unexpected midnight visitor
    ill get that the first week, maybe 2 of pct. I dont know if that means anything but maybe you have higher Test? or Estro? I dont know, just figured id through my hat into the ring. And ill be watching you......
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    very interesting. i remember hearing something about Patrick Arnold (Ergopharm) and Kevin Smith (Anabolic Xtreme) were trying to set up a study on this. don't remember what ever happened w/it.
    they wanted to run people on DHEA 1000 mg/d + ATD 50 mg/d.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hank Vangut View Post
    very interesting. i remember hearing something about Patrick Arnold (Ergopharm) and Kevin Smith (Anabolic Xtreme) were trying to set up a study on this. don't remember what ever happened w/it.
    they wanted to run people on DHEA 1000 mg/d + ATD 50 mg/d.
    I mentioned this exact same thing some time ago and apparantly from what a Rep had said is that this turned out to be Superdrol NG
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cordeen View Post
    I mentioned this exact same thing some time ago and apparantly from what a Rep had said is that this turned out to be Superdrol NG
    I dont believe that Superdrol Ng has any DHEA in it. It has some sort of proprietary "pro-hormone" in it. It seems like a joke to me. Sorry AX reps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by futurepilot View Post
    I dont believe that Superdrol Ng has any DHEA in it. It has some sort of proprietary "pro-hormone" in it. It seems like a joke to me. Sorry AX reps.
    It's got prasterone in it.. Which is just a fancy way to say DHEA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cordeen View Post
    I mentioned this exact same thing some time ago and apparantly from what a Rep had said is that this turned out to be Superdrol NG
    actually that came after superdrol ng. PA raised a bunch of stink about how it doesn't really give gains, caused his gyno, etc, and offered to put his money where his mouth is and fund half the study if AX would fund the other half. not sure where it went.
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    Quote Originally Posted by futurepilot View Post
    I dont believe that Superdrol Ng has any DHEA in it. It has some sort of proprietary "pro-hormone" in it. It seems like a joke to me. Sorry AX reps.
    Right on Ozarka. Superdrol-NG IS DHEA. I don't blame people for thinking such though the way they market.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    actually that came after superdrol ng. PA raised a bunch of stink about how it doesn't really give gains, caused his gyno, etc, and offered to put his money where his mouth is and fund half the study if AX would fund the other half. not sure where it went.
    I'm quite excited to see what happens here as well. I've never been much of an advocate of DHEA my self. All the studies I've seen showed a low ceiling effect as far as benefits go even though bad sides kept rising. But again many times a study is just a study. However one very real side even with doses as low as 50mg a day has shown to cause bad heart arrhythmias/palpitations. I'd keep a close eye on this one, especially if you have any history.
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    PA had said he was dosing in the over 1600mg a day range
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    PA had said he was dosing in the over 1600mg a day range
    I do 100mg a day on Havoc, and love it.

    I can't imagine what that much would feel like.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    actually that came after superdrol ng. PA raised a bunch of stink about how it doesn't really give gains, caused his gyno, etc, and offered to put his money where his mouth is and fund half the study if AX would fund the other half. not sure where it went.
    i dug up the old thread from bb.
    looks like that study died and never materialized.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dsade View Post
    I do 100mg a day on Havoc, and love it.

    I can't imagine what that much would feel like.
    I do 100mg with every 20mg of superdrol on pulses. helps with the lethargy. yeah, the 1600mg was crazy.
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    What androgenic effects does DHEA have by itself then .. ? I've never seen anyone run it by itself, nor attribute their gains to a DHEA product .. More of an Alpha Male feeling ? Libido increase ? The typical testosterone elevation side effects ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    PA had said he was dosing in the over 1600mg a day range
    That's insane. Things we do in the name of science...
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    PA had said he was dosing in the over 1600mg a day range
    Holy shyt thats like over half a bottle a day
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    ok, so it id day 4 now.
    1) mood
    still elevated
    2)libido
    still increased
    3)androgenic sides (acne, agression etc)
    I am deffinately noticing increased sweating as well as increased aggression. Very similiar feeling as being on phera.... for me atleast. Mood increased, but deffinately more drive..... dont cross me.lol. I am still experiencing a perma-pump and "on" feeling.
    4)weight
    Did not weigh myself
    5)strength
    no gym today, but yesterday I could deffinately notice an increased endurance.

    Thats all for now folks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    I do 100mg with every 20mg of superdrol on pulses. helps with the lethargy. yeah, the 1600mg was crazy.
    From what I've read, it's taken on off days when pulsing. Why do you take it on "on days"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by haroldjg View Post
    ok, so it id day 4 now.
    1) mood
    still elevated
    2)libido
    still increased
    3)androgenic sides (acne, agression etc)
    I am deffinately noticing increased sweating as well as increased aggression. Very similiar feeling as being on phera.... for me atleast. Mood increased, but deffinately more drive..... dont cross me.lol. I am still experiencing a perma-pump and "on" feeling.
    4)weight
    Did not weigh myself
    5)strength
    no gym today, but yesterday I could deffinately notice an increased endurance.

    Thats all for now folks.
    cool.
    keep us posted on if you get any estrogen related sides - ichy nipps, water retention, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Graglor View Post
    From what I've read, it's taken on off days when pulsing. Why do you take it on "on days"?
    it helps significantly with the lethargy
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    OK so, I am almost a week done. I havent weighed myself since the start, but I am having very noticeable thinning and increased vascularity. I would say that it is deffinately doing something. One thing to note; the past couple of days I have really been feeling like I am back in puberty again?? kind of wierd but I am just kind of bi-polar lately. No estrogenic sides to speak of though, no puffy or sensitive nips or anything. SOoooo.... I am kind of drawing blanks as to what I can attribute this to.
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    I was thinking of increasing the atd dose to 100mgs/day. No dry joints so I think I should be fine.
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    yeah, your libido is all you really have to worry about
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    2)libido
    increased, I actually had an unexpected midnight visitor

    Extra-terrestrial? Damn I hate when that happens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LilPsychotic View Post
    2)libido
    increased, I actually had an unexpected midnight visitor

    Extra-terrestrial? Damn I hate when that happens.
    That went over my head...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ziquor View Post
    That went over my head...

    I guess your not into science fiction at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    it helps significantly with the lethargy
    Good to know. Thank Easy.
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