ReaperX: ErgoPharm AMP (original)
- 03-22-2008, 04:45 PM
- 03-22-2008, 04:46 PM
Oh yeah thanks for sending me the ebook. I have been reading it pretty adimently the past several hours. I think I might print it out when I go to work mon.
03-22-2008, 05:02 PM
03-22-2008, 05:52 PM
Glad you're liking the book ! Now just get on the DIET and show people what man you are ! LOL
(this diet is not for the average Joe to put it that way, as you may too be under the impression of..)
03-22-2008, 06:12 PM
The diet is pretty hardcore. Still reading up on the book. Probably going to finish reading the whole thing before I plan out how I want to do this.
Yeah, 6 caps is too much. I took them all at once, and I am kinda shaking right now. My heart rate isn't up, but I am getting slightly jittery and feel 'high'.
This should take care of me for awhile.
I usually take AMP a few times a day. For as much as it costs, in order to keep the price down and the tolerance, next time I might just keep it strictly as a pre-workout supp instead of a 'get me through the day, plus fat loss' supp.
I feel like my eyes are going to pop out of my head.
Lately I've taken 2 caps first thing in the morning, and 2 caps pre-workout. I decided to push the limit a bit further.
03-22-2008, 06:17 PM
Btw, I am also using Cissus-Drol right now which is a HyperdrolX2 clone.
6-Bromo is treating me pretty good and I'm enjoying it. I think everyone should give it a whirl.
Also too I've recently started eating every hour 15g of protein, instead of doing every other hour, or every 3 hours, etc, etc. I've also increase my fish oil intake to 10g/ED and added in 3g of Vit C and vitamin B complex throughout the day.
So far I have been recovering much better and my workouts don't drain me quite like they used to.
03-22-2008, 06:39 PM
Here's what Patrick posted in a forum about AMP:
Geranamine, which is the compound in question, has less of a structural relationship to amphetamine than ephedrine or even synephrine. And as far as its physiological effects it may be a stimulant, but it is much different in many ways. first and foremost, it lacks the addictive potential of amphetamine.when i first started taking amp thats what i felt as well. It is hard to explain, but it seems to be sort of an opiate type feel. that feeling eventually became less and less evident with continued use although the general stimulation still was there
that unique feeling is from the geranamine, which is a name i gave for an obscure stimulant compound found in geranium oil. It is a relatively small and non-polar (oil like) molecule that likely penetrates the blood brain barrier very well, hence its high degree of cerebral effects compared to other stimulants (which are primarily peripheral).
and EAA vs. BCAAs.
the EAAs consist of 9 amino acids, three of which are the BCAAs. BCAAs of course are very important constituent of the EAAs - they help prevent muscle catabolism and one of them (leucine) may help stimulate protein synthesis (through a cellular signalling mechanism).
But if you stimulate protein synthesis you need building blocks available or synthesis will quickly grind to a halt. The necessary building blocks for protein synthesis consist of ALL the 9 amino acids.
So having just the three BCAAs and not the other 6 EAAs is sort of like paying your bricklayers to come to work but not having all the bricks available for them to lay.
03-23-2008, 12:40 PM
Well, my friend's luck finally ran out. He got gyno from his last Phera cycle (I think this was his 5th or 6th one he's done). Put on approx. 27 lbs. He called me yesterday to tell me. Hm. I think it is going to cost around $7K to get that pulled out now.
03-23-2008, 03:54 PM
03-23-2008, 04:32 PM
03-23-2008, 07:22 PM
so is the consensus that the original amp is better than amp2? I have a bit of amp 2 now, but found the original amp(all black ottle, 70 mg per cap) online, is it worth buying?
03-23-2008, 07:32 PM
03-24-2008, 01:49 AM
03-24-2008, 03:29 PM
03-24-2008, 03:53 PM
03-25-2008, 10:30 AM
Well, my AMP2 is being held at the UPS storage facility. They never called me back, but allegedly are supposed to deliver the package to me today.
They said I moved which I did not.
It is incredible how such simple tasks can be errored.
Got evening class tonight. Probably will do some cardio.
Anyone else notice that every single day is bicep day for every single dude in the gym ? Weird. lol.
03-25-2008, 10:44 AM
....Apparently John Maynard Keynes was a homosexual and part of some gay social club. Hm, interesting. I can't say that I knew that before.
03-25-2008, 01:43 PM
And to top it off, he doesn't have the chest nor biceps to show for it !
But ReaperX, you've got those people in every gym across the world, ya know ! lol
03-25-2008, 02:48 PM
Man, sometimes I wonder how you can do that time after time again. Same workout, same muscles, same boring routine. I feel like unless I can actually do a full, complete, and intensive workout I don't go. Anything less than a quality workout is just a waste of time, IMO. I'd rather just re-schedule and go another day when I can be 100% productive.
I think I'll give that new isatest version a run here in the future. I'll keep you updated on it
03-25-2008, 05:33 PM
03-26-2008, 02:39 PM
I tried AMP 2 (finally got it from UPS). Here's a side by side comparison of the 2 products.
Serving Size: 2 Capsules
Servings per Container: 45
Amount Per Serving % Daily Value
AMP is a proprietary blend of: Caffeine Anhydrous, ChocamineŽ (Theobroma cacau seed), GeranamineŽ (constituent of Geranium oil), [The ingredients in this proprietary blend contain the following compounds: Caffeine Hnhydrous, Theophylline, Phenethylamine, Theobromine, 1,3-dimethylamylamine, Tyramine, Tetrahydrocarboline, 2-heptanol and Trimethylpyrazine] 625 mg
Total Caffeine (per serving) 140 mg
Servings Per Container45
Amount Per Serving % Daily Value
AMP 2 Is A Proprietary Blend Of 558mg *
Caffeine Anhydrous, Zingerone, Raspberry Ketone, Coleus Forskohlii Extract 10%, Fursultiamine, Dimethylpentylamine (Constituent Of Geranium Oil), Green Coffee Bean Extract 50%, Evodiamine, And Kaempferol 50%
Total Amount Of Caffeine Per Serving: 160mg
I was expecting to get a similar feeling like I did from 'Clear Shot' when I took (3) caps of AMP 2. I've only taken one run of AMP 2 far, but AMP (original) seems to 'kick' harder despite having less caffeine. On the other hand, I didn't get any stomach aches from AMP 2 (that I took earlier today).
AMP 2 didn't feel like Clear Shot at all.
03-26-2008, 03:01 PM
Oh yeah last night's workout:
The guy next to me was doing bench press (barbell) with 135. For some reason I just started watching him and this rep he was doing his face was very, very red and he was shaking and blowing really hard to get it up (not sure what happened earlier, as I just arrived there).
He is about 3/4 to lockout and drops the barbell on his sternum. I go over and lift it off of him, and he's like 'Thanks for the spot, dude'.
It was awesome.
03-26-2008, 04:29 PM
I just took (2) caps. It has been about 5 min, and I can distinctly feel the zingerone in the back of my mouth and inside. This did not happen before.
This dose DID feel like I just drank Clear Shot. Odd.
03-26-2008, 04:31 PM
03-26-2008, 04:37 PM
I like your aid to percussion; however, it is not needed with AMP, which is a non-hormonal, fat/energy product.
But if you do see a raise in estrogen, which could be the case due to poor diet, stress, and soy consumption, give 4-etioallocholen-3,6,17-trione a whirel before consuming a product like Nolvadex.
03-26-2008, 06:31 PM
03-27-2008, 09:01 AM
lol, I don't really have Nolva. I just threw that in there b/c SERMs seem to be used for everything.
03-27-2008, 09:02 AM
I took AMP2 this morning.
AMP2 dosen't have the lag time like AMP does. AMP takes a good 45min-1hr for the effects.
AMP2 effects I noticed within 5-10 minutes.
03-27-2008, 09:25 AM
So, you say the 'effects' kick in so much faster .. Do you prefer the effects of AMP 2 over AMP (original) ? Are the stim effects comparable ?
03-27-2008, 09:47 AM
Lol, I knew that question was going to be asked. I'm not sure if it specifically is with the capsule. They look the same as the previous ones: red gelatin with 'AMP' etched into them.
Part of the increased effect is coming from the 'zingerone' in it. Yesterday when I felt that 'rush' it was because a cap stuck to my throat, then exploded inside, coating my throat with zingerone. yay.
I think the original AMP is more practical for studying and actual concentration. I like AMP 2 as well, but it seems to be more of a euphoric recreational product vs. fat burner/nootropic.
With geranamine, caffeine, and zingerone, when I take enough AMP 2, I feel 'high' and slightly out of focus. For ppl who have taken Clear Shot before, you know what I mean when the zingerone hits. It smells like mustard actually.
I'll keep testing AMP 2, but I gotta say for practicality reasons AMP 1 is better in work/studying applications and I like it better. I was kinda on 'cloud 9' and 'high' on my drive in to work after I took (2) capsules this morning.
I don't get quite as 'stoned' off AMP 1.
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