Havoc Non-log Notepad for my cycle.

**AlexParty** · 03-21-2008, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by nosnmiveins

ooo alex just got burned

Do some research, they're pro-hormones, not steroids. I can't believe you guys think this is steroids... no offense but what a joke.

**AlexParty** · 03-21-2008, 07:23 PM

Just to add, because I really don't understand. This site does not allow the sale or reference to sale of steroids, clearly states that in it's user agreement. If havoc was a steroid it would have been banned, illegal to get unless for medical use. Nutraplanet wouldn't be allowed to sell it so freely. So if it's a steroid why is it sold all over without any trouble? This is my question.

**macedaddy** · 03-21-2008, 07:24 PM

this is gonna get good......

alex, its a steroid. as the others have said, it doesn't CONVERT inside the body, therefore it is NOT a pro-hormone.

**Zombie** · 03-21-2008, 07:25 PM

Quote form the Source posting rules

As of now, the legalities of Epistane/Havoc and several PH's are still unknown therefore do not fall under these rules. Since they are sold by the largest of retailers the legalities of these substances are unknown, they are an exception for now. These rules will constantly change based on updates to the law.

**AlexParty** · 03-21-2008, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by macedaddy

this is gonna get good......

alex, its a steroid. as the others have said, it doesn't CONVERT inside the body, therefore it is NOT a pro-hormone.

Great so you could buy steroids without any hassle from Nutraplanet and other websites... that sounds just about right

**AlexParty** · 03-21-2008, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Zombie

Quote form the Source posting rules

As of now, the legalities of Epistane/Havoc and several PH's are still unknown therefore do not fall under these rules. Since they are sold by the largest of retailers the legalities of these substances are unknown, they are an exception for now. These rules will constantly change based on updates to the law.

Well there we go, the rules clearly state that " legalities of Epistane/Havoc and several PH's". Even if it's unknown it's considered a pro-hormone. Actually I have just recently voted to which "pro hormones" is the best, Havoc and Epistane were one of them...

The reason I am saying all this and being a little stubborn(and I'm really not) is the fact that when I posted questions and stuff about steroids years ago here I'd get in so much sh$t and now you can talk about buying them so freely and not getting a pm by a MOD saying "watch it"??

stl123 · 03-22-2008, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by AlexParty

They're pro-hormones... not steroids

Uhhh........ NO..........

stl123 · 03-22-2008, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by AlexParty

Well there we go, the rules clearly state that " legalities of Epistane/Havoc and several PH's". Even if it's unknown it's considered a pro-hormone. Actually I have just recently voted to which "pro hormones" is the best, Havoc and Epistane were one of them...

The reason I am saying all this and being a little stubborn(and I'm really not) is the fact that when I posted questions and stuff about steroids years ago here I'd get in so much sh$t and now you can talk about buying them so freely and not getting a pm by a MOD saying "watch it"??

Wow.. That's why you think there not steroids.

**Zombie** · 03-22-2008, 07:48 PM

i dont usually workout on saturdays but i went today cause im bored , the highlight of my day was that i was able to shoulder press 110lbs dbs for 3 sets of 8 reps without a spotter or any help.

i really like how this makes me feel. i got my NP stuff today, so im all set up for the next 6 weeks or maybe 5 weeks when it comes to supps.

So far no BP issues just the back pumps but with taurine they arent a problem, im not noticing that im loosing more hair than usual.

**AlexParty** · 03-22-2008, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by stl123

Wow.. That's why you think there not steroids.

It's funny that you actually "think" they're steroids and are trying to act smart about it LOL and it's not "there", it's spelled "they're
". Nutraplanet wouldn't be selling steroids, they wouldn't be allowed to YET you still think they're steroids? Think about that one. Some people want to believe they're taking steroids so be it, if that makes you train harder and feel better about yourself go ahead.

This forum is two faced, completely. You have a friendly conversation with someone, help by giving advice and the same person will try to make you look like an idiot in a different post just to proclaim their knowledge on substances....

**AlexParty** · 03-22-2008, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Zombie

i dont usually workout on saturdays but i went today cause im bored , the highlight of my day was that i was able to shoulder press 110lbs dbs for 3 sets of 8 reps without a spotter or any help.

i really like how this makes me feel. i got my NP stuff today, so im all set up for the next 6 weeks or maybe 5 weeks when it comes to supps.

So far no BP issues just the back pumps but with taurine they arent a problem, im not noticing that im loosing more hair than usual.

Good job, 110lbs.... nice.

**metroba** · 03-23-2008, 12:48 PM

Dood. Nobody's trying to make you look like an idiot. You're just arguing with people who know what they are talking about. Google Epistane or Havoc. Read as much information on that as you can. I promise you you will see it is a steroid. Ive run 2 cycles of this stuff. I def felt like I was on steroids and not on a ph. Dont go based off how a sentence was worded in the rules thread.

Edit: Agreed 110 lbs is impressive!

**AlexParty** · 03-23-2008, 03:02 PM

Well I did do some more research and they basically say it's a steroid. My argument was based on the fact that Nutrplanet is selling it so "how could it be a steroid". That's all. I personally don't care to continue this, I didn't like how some members reply to instigate an argument. That's fine because it's always like that on forums, people are always two faced with exception of a few.

bLacKjAck. · 03-23-2008, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by AlexParty

Well I did do some more research and they basically say it's a steroid. My argument was based on the fact that Nutrplanet is selling it so "how could it be a steroid". That's all. I personally don't care to continue this, I didn't like how some members reply to instigate an argument. That's fine because it's always like that on forums, people are always two faced with exception of a few.

Stop cluttering Z's log...if you need someone to listen to you...make your own.

**AlexParty** · 03-23-2008, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by bLacKjAck.

Stop cluttering Z's log...if you need someone to listen to you...make your own.

Mind your own business and you're adding to the clutter by instigating dumba$$. I forgot this was a a log... Sorry about that Zombie. I am done.