spring/summer pro cycle

[Mulletsoldier]

no I wont be getting my blood work done I'm taking a on cycle liver cleanse and post so i feel comfortable about it, plus i dont really take anything else taxing on my liver like Alcohol, or any other drugs/ meds.
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That's cool, I was just checking. I just want to make sure you're aware of the gravity you're putting your body through.

I definitely think certain people overreact to the hepatoxicity of oral steroids, but 12 straight weeks of alternating orals is unfathomable. Your cholesterol/liver values are going to be twisted.

There are vastly safer routes; as well, I expect you to see an early point of diminishing returns (given the unstable hormone levels)

[bigcountry19]

um depends on super drol i usually stop seeing gains around 8 to 10 weeks but like halo all the way baby but tox whys yes i do think it is an over reaction but i still take it safe and do high intensity cleanse:dl:

[Mulletsoldier]

um depends on super drol i usually stop seeing gains around 8 to 10 weeks but like halo all the way baby but tox whys yes i do think it is an over reaction but i still take it safe and do high intensity cleanse:dl:

Well, I think people overreact to the hepatoxicity of 4-6 weeks of orals, I am not sure if it's possible to overreact to using several orals over a 12 week period.

The actual steroids do not damage the liver, but the metabolization process is what is hypothesized to do damage to the liver/kidneys. Metabolites build and begin to cause oxidative stress and free radical damage; the liver cannot handle the load.

When you only have one steroid, and so one metabolite, this isn't such an issue. Powerful antioxidants, a good diet, and responsible use should prevent any hepatoxic issues from occurring.

However, by using (4)? different orals over 12 weeks, you are never allowing your body a chance to recover from the damage of one oral before subjecting it to another. This intense cleanse is not necessarily specific to the liver, either, though I am sure it is marketed as such.

I hate brotelligence, but this cycle is incautious and goes against any pragmatic method of cycling. In my opinion, a cycle should:

1) induce stable serum levels to maximize slow, consistent gains, and to minimize side effects
2) use the lowest dosages possible to achieve the desired result
3) be designed first around safety, then around gains
4) keep the compounds which bind the hardest away from P.C.T., and run in short lengths.

Now, your cycle pretty much goes against all of that. While I'm no guru, I'm sure anybody in this thread could agree you should reconsider this, seriously. Think about breaking it up into two cycles, both of six weeks. I'd venture to say your gains there would be much cleaner, consistent, and easier to maintain.

[Force of Green]

Well, I think people overreact to the hepatoxicity of 4-6 weeks of orals, I am not sure if it's possible to overreact to using several orals over a 12 week period.

The actual steroids do not damage the liver, but the metabolization process is what is hypothesized to do damage to the liver/kidneys. Metabolites build and begin to cause oxidative stress and free radical damage; the liver cannot handle the load.

When you only have one steroid, and so one metabolite, this isn't such an issue. Powerful antioxidants, a good diet, and responsible use should prevent any hepatoxic issues from occurring.

However, by using (4)? different orals over 12 weeks, you are never allowing your body a chance to recover from the damage of one oral before subjecting it to another. This intense cleanse is not necessarily specific to the liver, either, though I am sure it is marketed as such.

I hate brotelligence, but this cycle is incautious and goes against any pragmatic method of cycling. In my opinion, a cycle should:

1) induce stable serum levels to maximize slow, consistent gains, and to minimize side effects
2) use the lowest dosages possible to achieve the desired result
3) be designed first around safety, then around gains
4) keep the compounds which bind the hardest away from P.C.T., and run in short lengths.

Now, your cycle pretty much goes against all of that. While I'm no guru, I'm sure anybody in this thread could agree you should reconsider this, seriously. Think about breaking it up into two cycles, both of six weeks. I'd venture to say your gains there would be much cleaner, consistent, and easier to maintain.

You can't teach an old dog new tricks... You can't teach a retarded puppy new tricks either.

Sometimes creatures remain stuck in their ways no matter what is in front of them.

Hey BigCountry! Keep up the log!

[bigcountry19]

well i guess i worded that wrong its not a liver cleanse thoe i am taking one , im taking nac and l-methionine which are 2 of the most powerful free radical destroyers and yeah i know there is alot more risk for a longer duration and multiple prohormons but what the hell. but no seriosly i am aware of the risks of the toxic effects and dont take it lightly
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[Mulletsoldier]

'Kay man, it's your body. It would just seem if you were completely aware of what you were doing, you wouldn't do it. Unless you're planning to be IFBB I see no point in putting your body through such an ordeal.

[bigcountry19]

yeah i see what your saying and that is really how i am go big or go home i mean i dont plan on getting to pro levels but who know what the heck will happen im only 20 so im just going to get as big as i can and go with it.

but back to log

8:00 AM I took morning supps and had first meal which consisted of 2 cups no fat yogurt bowl of cereal with one scoop protien and 3 cups milk 1 hormel complets microwavable meal great for in a jam 20 grams protien 30 grams carbs and only like 5 or 7 grams of fat perfect for my job which is lifting furniture for 8 hours a day.

12:00 AM took second set of supps going to be a long after noon so didnt want to forget to take them meal consisted of 1 and 1/4 cups ground beef 2 tortillas 3 cups milke (all milke is skim by the way) 1/4 baked beans 1/4 cups corn 1/4 cup stuffing.

3:00-4:00 protien shake with 2 to 3 cups milk 2 scoops protien ( this hasent happened yet thoe)

4:00 go to gym when i get back i will update
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[bigcountry19]

went to the gym 3:30 today did chest and lower back was a little weak today cause had to work normaly i get sundays and mondays off but had to make a quota but any ways here it is.
1. db press 3/16,14,11/75,80,85
2. decline db press 3/12,10,8/65,70,75
3. flat db flys 3/14,12,10/40,45,50
4. hammer press 3/19,8,3/50,70,90
5. cable decline flys 3/18,14,7/25,30,35(KG)

1. half deads bb 5/5,5,5,5,5/385,415,435,455,475
2. asisted close grip pull ups 3/8,9,7/70,75,80
3. hammer one are rows 3/12,10,8/125,135,145
4. cable pull throughs 3/16,10,7/30,35,40

over all no strength yet which isnt a surprise but muscles are getting a little fuller already have that mild pump in my arms.

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[bigcountry19]

6:00 pm oh yeah had my fourth meal now had 1 cup of cottage cheese around 8 to 10 oz of meat loaf and 1 cups of fruit.
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[yokingupsick]

well im very interested to see how this cycle goes

bigcountry do you have msn or aim?

[bigcountry19]

no i dont have eithier

well todays day three tuesday i have class tonight so its one of my light days just abbs forarms and calfs. I should also mention i started doing cardio a few weeks ago im up to 20 minutes 6 days a week hope to lose a little more that way for this summer.

8:00 AM took first set of supps ate 4 whole 2 just white eggs 2 tortillas 1 1/2 cups milk cup of cereal scoop of protien

12:00 AM had a shake 2 scoops protien 3 cups milk and a packet of oatmeal

i will write the rest of my day tonight after class i feel good right now still sore from legs on sundy though .
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[bigcountry19]

all right this is the workout for tuesday would have posted yesterday but didnt get back from the gym till like 10:30 so here it is

6:30 PM ate fourth meal just 2 protien Bars cause i was in class

9:00 PM workout
1.seated calf raises 3/14,12,10/55,75,95
2.sled calf raises 3/20,18,16/300,350,400

1.db wrist curls 3/14,12,10/50,55,60
2.machine reveres wrist curls 3 /2 1/2,2,1 1/2 /60,70,80

1.cable rope crunch 3/ 35,30,25/65,72.5,80KG
2.db tilts 3/20,18,16/70,80,90
3.bench leg raises 3/20,14,10

20 mins cardio

10:30 PM took third set of supps ate 8 oz ground beef
and had protien shake 2scoops whey 3 cups milk.

the only thing I would say Im noticing yet would be a increase in stamina when i was doing cardio i felt like i could have gone for like another hour or 2 but beyond that nothing else yet.:clean:

[bigcountry19]

8:00 AM took first set of supps ate 6 eggs 4 whole 2 whites 1 cup of cereal 3 cups of milke 1 scoop of protien 1 cup of yogurt and 2 tortillas

12:00 PM had a protien shake 3 cups of milk 2 scoops of whey and a packet of instant oatmeal.

3:00 PM took my second set of supps ate 8 to 10 oz of meat loaf 3 cups of milk and 1 cup of yogurt.


4:00 PM todays workout was upper back traps and tri's

1. bb rows 3/18,16,10/185,205,225
2. assisted pull ups 3/8,9,9/
3. machine hammer pull throughs 3/20,18,15/70,80,90
4. seated wide cable rows 3/16,12,10/100,110,120
5. wide grip pulldowns 3/19,14,12/140,150,160

1. bb shrugs 3/22,18,14/225,235,245
2. hammer shrugs seated 3/18,14,10/225,245,265
3. close grip shrugs 3/20,12,12/190,240,240

1. seated db ex 3/20,18,16/75,80,85
2. v-bar pressdowns 3/14,12,10/140,150,160
3. machine skull crushers 3/20,18,16/60,70,80
4. machine dips 3/22,18,14/200,220,240

6:00 PM ate 8 to 10 oz of ground beef 1 pita 3 cups of milk and a cup of grape juice.

9:00 PM ate 8 to 10 oz of ground beef and a shake 2 scoops protien 3 cups milk and took third set of supps.

over all today was a good day not sure if its kicking in yet or what but had alot more energy today felt like i could keep going hope its not just a fluke.

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[bigcountry19]

today was another lite day had school again tonight so just did upper chest and bi's I split upper chest from lower and middle cause i feel i get better seperation and i can push more weight that way so i wont be as tired from doing regular bench then decline the incline so heres my day.

8:00 AM took first set of supps ate 6 eggs 4 whole 2 just whites 1 cup cereal 1 scoop whey 3 cups milk 3 tortilla shells.

12:00 PM had a shake 2 scoops whey 3 cups milk 1 packet of oatmeal.

1:00 PM went to gym

1. incline db press 3/16,13,11/65,70,75
2. incline bb press 3/17,15,13/135,145,155
3. cable incline flys 3/22,16,11/25,30,35 KG

1. db curls dual 3/27,23,15-drop set/25,30,35
2. one arm db flat consentration curls 3/17,13,9/25,30,35
3. incline bench db curls 3/16,14,12/20,25,30
4. 24's 3/24,24,24/40,50,60

3:30 PM had second set of supps ate 8 to 10 oz meat loaf a cup of baked beans and 3 cups of milk.

7:00 PM had 2 protien bars

9:00 PM had third set of supps ate 1 cup ground beef and1 hormel complets microwavable meal and protien shake 2 scoops whey 3 cups milk.

today was a good day energy up still even atwork i was flying also im noticing some more vascularity in my forarms and hunger is up more than usual .
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[Force of Green]

Nice log thus far!

[bigcountry19]

yeah i really want to get a hold of a camera thoe so i can do pics to.

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[Force of Green]

If I were eating as much as you are, without taking gear, I'd be a fricken monster in about a month. Damn dude. Nice food intake.

[bigcountry19]

lol thanks yeah that the key to getting big just eat

8:00 AM took first set of supps ate 6 eggs 4 whole 2 whites 2 tortillas 3 cups milk 1 cup cereal and a protien bar.

1:00 PM had a shake 2 scoops whey 3 cups milk one packet oatmeal.

work was long today so schedual got screwed up so eating was all over.

4:00 PM had second set of supps ate 8 to 10 oz ground beef 2 tortillas 3 cups milk.

6:00 PM was a little worn out from work so needed a bust so drank a carb force helped alot

6:00 PM work out did shoulders, tris, abbs

1. db side lat raises 3/20,18,16/30,35,40
2. seated db press 3/17,15,12-drop/60,65,70-35
3. machine rear flys 3/24,16,12-drop/100,120,130-80
4. machine shoulder press 3/25,20,15,/80,95,110
5. seated db front lat raises 3/30,25,16/25,30,35
6. cable side lat raises 2/11,11/15,15 KG

1. rope press downs 3/28,20,12/70,90,110
2. close grip ez bar press 3/24,20,12/115,135,165
3. one arm cable reverse pressdowns 3/17,12,11/20,25,25KG
4. one arm db ex 1/12/30

1. decline crunch 3/14,14,12/body
2. jack knifes 3/14,14,14/body
3. knee ups 3/12,12,12/body

8:00 PM since i was pressed for time i had to cheat today went to BK and got 2 double cheese burgers

10:00 PM take third set of supps eat 8 to 10 oz ground beef and shake 3 cups milk 2 scoops protien.

still feeling great I just decided that every week i'll post my weight to see how that goes and still looking for a camera to barrow, tommarow is my off day so i will just post diet. next week will be heavy week I decided to go back to a older way of training i used to do one week high rep one week low rep so we will see what happens.

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[bigcountry19]

all right im going to post for today and saturday just got done doing legs i should be eating but feel like im going to throw up so i'll do my log first.

(saturday)

8:00AM took first set of supps ate 6 eggs 4 whole 2 just whites 1 cup cereal 1 scoop whey 3 cups milk 3 tortilla shells.

12:00 PM had a shake 2 scoops whey 3 cups milk 1 packet of oatmeal.

3:00PM took second set of supps ate 8 to 10 oz ground beef 20 to 30 tortilla chips 3 cups milk lean cusien meal.

6:00PM went to fridays had low fat pot stickers and half of a chicken and had a smoothie (hell of a cheat meal a).

10:30PM took thrid set of supps and went to burger king because of the time and ate 2 double cheese burgers and had a shake 3 cups of milk 2 scoops protien.

that was saturday

(sunday)

8:00 AM took first set of supps ate 6 eggs 4 whole 2 just whites 1 cup cereal 1 scoop whey 3 cups milk 3 tortilla shells.

12:00 PM had a shake 2 scoops whey 3 cups milk 1 packet of oatmeal.

1:00 PM went to gym did quads and hams.

1. leg ex 5/18,16,14,12,10/130,145,160,175,190
2. sled squats 4/14,9,6,3/700,800,850,900
3. smith front squats 1-w 3/10-w 12,8,4/135,185,205,225
4. leg abductors 3/12,10,8/280,290,300
5. leg inductors 3/12,10,8/250,260,270

1. lying leg curls 4/12,10,8,6/150,160,170,180
2. standing one leg curl 3/10,8,6/90,100,110

3:00 PM take second set of supps eat 8 to 10 oz meat loaf 3 cups milk.

finish up my day later on tonight

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[bigcountry19]

sorry last few days have been really busy havent had time to post so here goes monday, tuesday,and today.

8:00AM took first set of supps ate 6 eggs 4 whole 2 just whites 1 cup cereal 1 scoop whey 3 cups milk 3 tortilla shells.

12:00 PM had a shake 2 scoops whey 3 cups milk 1 packet of oatmeal.

3:00 PM took my second set of supps ate 8 to 10 oz of meat loaf 3 cups of milk and 1 cup of yogurt.

6:00 PM had a shake 2 scoops whey 3 cups milk 1 packet of oatmeal.

9:00 PM went out to eat at cracker barrel had 1/2 pound cheese burger and 1 baked potato also took third set of supps.

didnt work out today was to worn out from sunday and was to busy house hunting.


tuesday

8:00AM took first set of supps ate 6 eggs 4 whole 2 just whites 1 cup cereal 1 scoop whey 3 cups milk 3 tortilla shells.

12:00 PM had a shake 2 scoops whey 3 cups milk 1 packet of oatmeal.

3:00 PM had second set of supps ate 8 to 10 oz meat loaf a cup of baked beans and 3 cups of milk.

7:00 PM had 2 protien bars

bi's and forarms

1. db curls 4/10,10,8,5/50,50,55,60
2. flat side preacher curls 4/10,8,6,4/75,80,85,90
3. ez-bar curls 4/14,11,8,4/90,100,110,120
4. to the side hammer curls 4/13,10,8,6/55,60,65,70

1. machine wrist curls 3/ 1,1/2,1/4 /100,105,110
2. bb reverse wrist curls 3/14,7,3/40,50,60

10:00 PM take third set of supps eat 8 to 10 oz ground beef and shake 3 cups milk 2 scoops protien.

wensday/today

8:00 AM had first set of supps and a protien shake with 2 scoops protien 3 cups milk and 1 packet oatmeal.

12:00 PM had a shake 2 scoops protien 3 cups milk and 1 packet oatmeal also had burger king 2 double cheese burgers.

3:00 PM had burger king again ate 2 double cheese burgers and took second set of supps.

chest/lower back

1. bb press 5/14,11,6,4,2/185,205,225,245,255
2. decline bb press 4/7,5,3,2/205,215,225,235
3. flat db flys 3/12,10,6/50,55,60
4. flat hammer press 3/4,4,2/80,85,90
5. cable decline flys 3/8,6,4/35,37.5,40 KG

1. dead lifts 1-w,4/5,5,5,4,1/225,315,365,405,455
2. close grip pulldowns 3/10,8,6/190,200,210
3. machine close rows 3/16,11,8/140,160,180
4. machine pullovers 3/15,12,9/65,72.5,80 KG

7:00 PM ate 8 to 10 oz ground beef, 2 torillas, and 3 cups of milk.

havent eaten last meal yet probably at 10:00 tonight i'll post it tommarow morning. had to go on the road today at work thats why my food was so mest up. lifts would probably have been better to but that crap tires you out.


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